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Gulfstream SuperSonic Business Jet Drawings

Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:26 pm

Gulfstream has revealed the drawings of the ( new ? ) design, for the supersonic business jet.

Personally, and watching the drawings in this article, I found the aircraft horrible, but hey, probably I will never get the money to buy it anyway...

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-designs-in-patent-filings-380364/

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RE: Gulfstream SuperSonic Business Jet Drawings

Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:18 am

I find the technology interesting, but the aesthetics of the "whisper jet" to be absolutely atrocious. In all of aviation, no market segment is more concerned with the looks of aircraft than biz jets. This design may have a great deal of utility, but you can't be successful with a product that looks this ridiculous.
 
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RE: Gulfstream SuperSonic Business Jet Drawings

Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:00 am

I'm sure FlightGlobal is a reputable site but curious that no other industry sites such as AinOnline.com are carrying any stories about this.
 
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RE: Gulfstream SuperSonic Business Jet Drawings

Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:36 am

Quoting CM (Reply 1):
This design may have a great deal of utility, but you can't be successful with a product that looks this ridiculous.

I wouldn't put much stock into patent drawings at all, especially when the thing being patented has little to do with the parts of the drawing we're interested in. As I read the article, the actual patent the drawings were extracted from is about a particular design of inlet. Therefore only those parts of the drawings that actually pertain to the inlet (or any other claims of the patent) have any validity at all...the rest is just filler and may have zero relationship to the actual configuration.

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RE: Gulfstream SuperSonic Business Jet Drawings

Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:43 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 3):
I wouldn't put much stock into patent drawings at all,

True, except the telescoping nose (dare I say "pinocchio"   ), which is a Gulfstream "quiet boom" technology, is specifically what I was referring to.
 
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RE: Gulfstream SuperSonic Business Jet Drawings

Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:21 am

I too wouldn't put much trust to a picture in a patent. Particularly when the patent itself is not related to the shape of the supersonic jet.

But in any case.... I find the commentary about the looks in this thread interesting. FWIW, I would do anything to be able to fly on such an aircraft. I think it has mean, sexy looks. Form follows function -beauty. Perhaps a bit too straight lines, but if this is an indication of the real form they are contemplating, I'd guess the patent engineer used straight rules and the actual aircraft would have slightly softer lines. And that would make it look even better. In any case, it looks very different from anything that exists today. I'd be very proud to park this at the airport. Or the death star or anything really that differs wildly from the boring G650s all the Joneses have in the parking lot.

So if you are not taking it, that just means that I'll get mine sooner. I have already decided to stop drinking coffee from that machine at the office, saving 0.50€ every day for my personal hypersonic jet fund. By year 1100913 I'll have enough money to buy the thing.
 
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RE: Gulfstream SuperSonic Business Jet Drawings

Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:47 am

Looks like a miniature tail engined Tu-160, fine by me !
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RE: Gulfstream SuperSonic Business Jet Drawings

Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:57 am

It looks fantastic.



Like a jet should look !
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RE: Gulfstream SuperSonic Business Jet Drawings

Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:57 am

Quoting CM (Reply 1):
you can't be successful with a product that looks this ridiculous.

Maybe it has to look this ridiculous to be able to have the proper shape to be able to fly supersonic over land? It is just a sketch though. Maybe in the final product, if they do it, it will look different/better.
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RE: Gulfstream SuperSonic Business Jet Drawings

Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:00 am

Quoting CM (Reply 1):
you can't be successful with a product that looks this ridiculous

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Quoting comairguycvg (Reply 8):
Maybe it has to look this ridiculous to be able to have the proper shape to be able to fly supersonic over land?

  

Exactly. If (a very big if) this drawing would be the final form, it would look exactly the same as all the other supersonic yet quiet business jets. Because there would be no others. How do we know what shape is needed for that? An airplane looked very funny compared to trains, initially. Over time people learned to realize that they are different beasts.
 
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RE: Gulfstream SuperSonic Business Jet Drawings

Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:37 pm

Quoting CM (Reply 1):
In all of aviation, no market segment is more concerned with the looks of aircraft than biz jets. This design may have a great deal of utility, but you can't be successful with a product that looks this ridiculous.

But the only thing that all the other biz jet owners will see is the A$$ end as it leaves them in the dust. And that my friends, makes up for a lot of ugliness when sitting on the ground. When it comes to bragging rights, SPEED trumps BEAUTY everytime.

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RE: Gulfstream SuperSonic Business Jet Drawings

Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:52 pm

Good thing that horrendous nose will only be extended in flight at speeds and altitude where no one can see it...

Interesting concept though.
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RE: Gulfstream SuperSonic Business Jet Drawings

Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:58 pm

Did anyone else notice the "telescopic" nose? What would that do for the aircraft?
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RE: Gulfstream SuperSonic Business Jet Drawings

Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:23 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 12):
Did anyone else notice the "telescopic" nose? What would that do for the aircraft?

It is used to reduce the strength of the sonic boom, allowing higher mach numbers over land.
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RE: Gulfstream SuperSonic Business Jet Drawings

Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:55 am

Quoting CM (Reply 1):
I find the technology interesting, but the aesthetics of the "whisper jet" to be absolutely atrocious. In all of aviation, no market segment is more concerned with the looks of aircraft than biz jets. This design may have a great deal of utility, but you can't be successful with a product that looks this ridiculous.

Yes you can. The fact that it looks like a spaceship and flies supersonic far outtrumps the fact that it's fugly.
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RE: Gulfstream SuperSonic Business Jet Drawings

Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:28 pm

Quoting CM (Reply 1):
no market segment is more concerned with the looks of aircraft than biz jets
Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 10):
When it comes to bragging rights, SPEED trumps BEAUTY everytime.

This is only true for a very small percentage of business jet customers ... if it were true for most, then Cessna wouldn't be selling 10's of CJs and Mustangs a month, and struggling to sell even one Citation X (with 100kts more cruising speed)!

Most business jet purchases are based on mission, price, and operational cost ... then perhaps how it looks.

It's worth noting that most business jet flights are less than 90 minutes long, with the majority being around an hour ... you could argue even the difference between a turboprop and a jet is negligible for those distances.


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RE: Gulfstream SuperSonic Business Jet Drawings

Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:15 pm

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 5):
I'd guess the patent engineer used straight rules and the actual aircraft would have slightly softer lines.

Straight lines actually are pretty good in the supersonic realm (well defined shock waves are easier to manage)  

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