cessna53996
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B6 Pilot Union/Pay

Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:58 pm

If B6 had a pilot's union would the pilot salaries be higher? If you compare DL A320 and B6 A320 pay rates, B6 is significantly less. I also compared B6 to WN, and WN pilots must be rolling in cash...
 
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RE: B6 Pilot Union/Pay

Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:51 pm

Funny,
I asked a B6 pilot yesterday how the pay was and he said
"The pay isn't as good as it is at other majors...yet. We are all hoping that improves next year"
Not sure what happens next year but I guess it might be a pay scale improvement?
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RE: B6 Pilot Union/Pay

Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:33 pm

Pay is not the only thing. Pilots at B6 are keeping a close eye on outsourcing and codesharing. The health insurance program at B6 is also poor (worse than many regionals).
 
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RE: B6 Pilot Union/Pay

Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:45 pm

Yes and no, it's tough to say whether it would help or not. Look at Sun Country, they have a union and are one of the lowest paid 737 pilots out there, yet if you look at Skywest, they are some of the highest paid RJ drivers and yet they are not unionized. Unions will ensure you have a contract and that the company upholds the contract, but that doesn't always mean you will have a stellar contract.
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RE: B6 Pilot Union/Pay

Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:48 pm

B6 never said they wanted to have the highest paid....anything. They have always said they wanted to be somewhere in the middle. I get paid well for what I do at the company. Are there people in the same position at other airlines that make more? Sure. Are there ones at other airlines that make less? Sure. Am I complaining? No. Would a union help me? Don't know, don't care, I'm not really a fan of being in a union anyway. Long story short, B6 never had its sights on having the highest paid crews out there anyway.

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 2):
The health insurance program at B6 is also poor (worse than many regionals).

There were big changes this year, not for the better, I will admit. Are the benefits horrible? Nope, I know folks that have A LOT worse. I know people in many companies (airlines and other industries) that had a bad hit this year with their medical plans. I feel I'm covered quite well based on my average medical needs, at a cost that is average to maybe a little below average.

At least my 401K is building up again nicely now that the stock market is bouncing back. I do like what B6 does with it's 401K program.

Quoting cessna53996 (Thread starter):
I also compared B6 to WN, and WN pilots must be rolling in cash...

You are a comparing an airline that has been around for many decades to one that has been around for 13 years, one that has hundreds of aircraft to one that has only ~180, one that has a lot of dots on the "lower 48" with none outside of it (until now that they merged with FL), to one that has significant operations into the Caribbean, and many other differences. Not sure if it's a good comparison, honestly, then again I'm not sure what would be better to compare. Maybe VX? Their "hub" airports are major international airports like B6, closer in age? I dunno.
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RE: B6 Pilot Union/Pay

Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:34 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 4):
I know people in many companies (airlines and other industries) that had a bad hit this year with their medical plans.

Next year will be worse, if what we're hearing comes to fruition. Granted I'm in a completely different field than aviation...but it'll be felt by everyone.
 
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RE: B6 Pilot Union/Pay

Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:59 am

What kind of plans are they, HMO, PPO, high deductible?

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RE: B6 Pilot Union/Pay

Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:17 am

You can't compare a JetBlue to Delta. The same way you can compare a 2nd tier cargo operator with UPS/Fedex pay.

A better comparison for JetBlue pay would likes of Virgin America, Spirit, etc.

And speaking of Virgin America, it just awarded its pilots a 5% across the board raise and other improvements.
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RE: B6 Pilot Union/Pay

Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:01 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 6):
What kind of plans are they, HMO, PPO, high deductible?

I always had a PPO based on the particular plan I chose. I believe that is the case with most options. This year, the options got reduced. There are still multiple options, from low deductible to very high deductible. It all depends on how much you want taken out of your paycheck. I really can't go into details as I don't know where the line is for releasing company-sensitive info.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
And speaking of Virgin America, it just awarded its pilots a 5% across the board raise and other improvements.

Well, that will help with their minimal operating margin......
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RE: B6 Pilot Union/Pay

Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:41 am

As I am working with benefits consultants to renew health insurance for my employees, I am coming to recognize what they have been telling me fr a couple of years- the so-called "Affordble Care Act" is, for the vast majority of emlployed persons, going to severely restrict options for health care while dramatically increasing cost. It ain't about health care (except for the name), it is about control and revenue. Don't get mad t the airline- they cannot alter financial reality.

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As for whether a union's presence will increase pay, as noted above... It depends. It may increase pay, it may actually reduce pay (in total effect), it may cause a temporary increase followed by the company's failure and resultant unemployment. The presence of a union will not create revenue.
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RE: B6 Pilot Union/Pay

Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:48 am

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 3):
Unions will ensure you have a contract and that the company upholds the contract, but that doesn't always mean you will have a stellar contract.

Very well said. Now that you expressed it so well I'm totally stealing it. 
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RE: B6 Pilot Union/Pay

Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:17 am

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 3):
and that the company upholds the contract

Wishful thinking that, in my experience, is rarely if ever the case. Though my airline has a very weak MEC, unfortunately.
 
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RE: B6 Pilot Union/Pay

Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:51 am

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 11):
Wishful thinking that, in my experience, is rarely if ever the case. Though my airline has a very weak MEC, unfortunately.

I think wherever it is that you presently work is an anomaly.

I have experienced the opposite, very much so.

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