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Airbags In Light Aircraft?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:16 pm

Do any light aircraft have airbag systems like cars? If not, why not? Surely in an impact it would be better to have a few airbags surround you.
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RE: Airbags In Light Aircraft?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:39 pm

Yes. Most new build GA aircraft these days have an airbag built into the lap belt of the front seats.


http://www.amsafe.com/products-servi...general-aviation/seatbelt-airbags/
 
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RE: Airbags In Light Aircraft?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:40 pm

Toward the end of my flight training days we started taking deliveries of Cessnas that had an airbag built into the seat belt.

I assume this was the manufacturer
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RE: Airbags In Light Aircraft?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:42 pm

Amsafe makes a seatbelt airbag system for general aviation.
http://www.amsafe.com/products-servi...general-aviation/seatbelt-airbags/

Looks like we were posting at the same time....

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RE: Airbags In Light Aircraft?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:51 pm

Cool, thanks guys. Are there any systems that have airbags come out of the actual frame, like some cars have from the door pillars in addition to the steering wheel? How much evidence is there of their worth overall in light aircraft?
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RE: Airbags In Light Aircraft?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:23 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
How much evidence is there of their worth overall in light aircraft?

Obviously if you plummet into the ground at 150 knots an airbag isn't going to help much. However in general aviation lots of accidents are low speed, for example when making an emergency landing in a field and running into a cow at 20 knots. At that point airbags are presumably quite useful.
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RE: Airbags In Light Aircraft?

Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:01 am

Indeed, the landing in a field sort of scenario is precisely the sort of situation I was considering.
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RE: Airbags In Light Aircraft?

Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:06 pm

Quoting corey07850 (Reply 2):

Toward the end of my flight training days we started taking deliveries of Cessnas that had an airbag built into the seat belt.

Indeed, the C172R I fly has it. This one was built in 2009 I reckon.
 
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RE: Airbags In Light Aircraft?

Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:07 pm

Most light aircraft don't have a convenient mounting location on the instrument panel for an airbag. You can't really mount it in the yoke, since the yoke would move during deployment (and I'd hate to see what would happen during an accidental deployment close to the ground...) Therefore, the seat belt is really the best place to mount them. All Cessna 172SPs I've flown feature the airbag in the seat belt - it's not a bad design either, it's comfortable and really not that noticable when in place.

Cirrus types are some of the best equipped GA aircraft when it comes to survivability. In addition to the CAPS airframe parachute systems, most Cirrus come equipped with airbags of various types, and all come equipped with "CEATs" (Cirrus Energy Absorbing Technology) seats. The CEATs technology essentially mounts the seats on collapsible high density honeycomb blocks. The blocks are designed to crush vertically and lessen the vertical deceleration forces transmitted to the occupants in a crash. Since humans are far more sensitive to vertical acceleration than transverse, I personally feel more comfortable with a well designed (controlled deformable) seat in conjunction with a four or five point seat belt than I would feel with simply an air bag.
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RE: Airbags In Light Aircraft?

Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:55 am

We have the AMSAFE airbags in my University's Cessnas. My safety class had the whole technical rundown but I can't remember it too well. You just have to make sure the seatbelt is facing the proper direction or else it isn't going to work very well. I know at least at my university it saved someone from extreme injury. A student was climbing out of KPKD at night and got the sensation he was moving too slow even though his airspeed indicator said 74 knots, which is the standard climb rate. Well he pushed the nose down and went right into the ground. He ended up with just a few bruises and ultimately a bruised ego. Better than dash rash.
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RE: Airbags In Light Aircraft?

Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:53 am

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 9):
I know at least at my university it saved someone from extreme injury

Same at our flight school. We had a guy stall when attempting a late go around on his second solo flight. He made it out with just bruises, and it was largely thanks to the airbag deploying.
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