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SQ A345 Under Tow With Main Cargo Door Open?

Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:34 am

Hello All,

Was on SSC forum & came across what seems to me as being strange & probably not wise decision to be permitted.

In the image we have Singapore Airlines A340-541 under tow with her main forward cargo door open. Question, is this a wise move considering there is great possibility of damage being caused to the aircraft / door? I know its common for aircraft to be towed with inward opening holds open but this is a first for me! Your thoughts?



After doing a search in our database I only noted another occasion with same practice of towing the aircraft with cargo hold door open.


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RE: SQ A345 Under Tow With Main Cargo Door Open?

Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:50 am

Perhaps the door is jammed and she's being towed to an area for repairs?
 
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RE: SQ A345 Under Tow With Main Cargo Door Open?

Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:33 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Perhaps the door is jammed and she's being towed to an area for repairs?

Your probably right, but aren't aircraft fitted with an over ride system I remember being buckled up on QF002 BKK-SYD service, ready for push back, awaiting the final cargo hold door to being shut. After a lengthy delay due to the ground staff not able to shut the door the Captain walked downstairs and shut the door in override mode (announced this over the PA to explain the delay with our departure)

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RE: SQ A345 Under Tow With Main Cargo Door Open?

Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:45 am

Quoting EK413 (Thread starter):
Question, is this a wise move considering there is great possibility of damage being caused to the aircraft / door?

No, it's not a good idea. At my particular employer, the policy is that there is never to be any towing with any door or structural hatch open (E&E bay, bag pits, main cabin doors, etc). These doors are structural- while it's unlikely that the plane will buckle in half if you hit a bump while towing, it's best to have them secured.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 2):
I remember being buckled up on QF002 BKK-SYD service, ready for push back, awaiting the final cargo hold door to being shut. After a lengthy delay due to the ground staff not able to shut the door the Captain walked downstairs and shut the door in override mode (announced this over the PA to explain the delay with our departure)

Your captain was full of.... something other than honesty.
If the door is truly jammed, then it's jammed.
I can't think of a situation where a ramper- who opens and closes cargo doors for a living- would be unable to close the door, but the captain- who pushes buttons for a living- would be able to do it. Cycle a circuit breaker? Sure. Close a "jammed" door? Nope.
 
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RE: SQ A345 Under Tow With Main Cargo Door Open?

Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:56 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3):
No, it's not a good idea.

I thought this would've been the case.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3):
Your captain was full of.... something other than honesty.
If the door is truly jammed, then it's jammed.

From my understanding the captain said the door wouldn't lock and had to be locked manually. I'm not a ramp worker therefore I don't have any knowledge of the locking process.

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RE: SQ A345 Under Tow With Main Cargo Door Open?

Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:00 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 4):
From my understanding the captain said the door wouldn't lock and had to be locked manually. I'm not a ramp worker therefore I don't have any knowledge of the locking process.

Or it could be as simple as the door being locked, but the indicator light not showing it properly locked and the captain had to physically confirm the door being locked (happens on CRJs all the time, so I'm sure it happens on other planes too)
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RE: SQ A345 Under Tow With Main Cargo Door Open?

Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:25 pm

Maybe someone broke wind?

Ok, we were all thinking it.
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RE: SQ A345 Under Tow With Main Cargo Door Open?

Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:27 am

Towing with the door open is allowed, you're not allowed to exceed something like 2 or 3 mph on the tow. same with main cabin doors and LG doors.

Not normal ops, but is most certainly allowed...
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RE: SQ A345 Under Tow With Main Cargo Door Open?

Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:05 am

Odd indeed. It must be really and truly jammed. Not sure how the 340 is, but on the 320 series you can manually "pump" the door closed in case of a hydraulic failure. Not fun, but it gets the job done.
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RE: SQ A345 Under Tow With Main Cargo Door Open?

Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:44 am

Possible but need a lot more care - as you don't want to overstress the door hinges in case of bumps or knocks, also it's much easier to crash into something...

Frequently done at where I work - Quite often you see aircraft towing with C-Ducts fully opened, doors and cargo doors opened... just a few more steps to ensure clearance but really no great deal :p
 
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RE: SQ A345 Under Tow With Main Cargo Door Open?

Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:29 am

I have seen this often at airports all over the world. Nothing unusual except that it is not done in bad weather
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RE: SQ A345 Under Tow With Main Cargo Door Open?

Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:23 am

Thanks for your responses. I certainly found it unusual and never seen this practice ever before so thanks.

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RE: SQ A345 Under Tow With Main Cargo Door Open?

Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:56 pm

To close hydralic doors on the 320 and 319 at least manually you have to pump it closed. I am not sure if the capability exists on the larger buses
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RE: SQ A345 Under Tow With Main Cargo Door Open?

Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:41 pm

Quoting EK413 (Thread starter):
Question, is this a wise move considering there is great possibility of damage being caused to the aircraft / door?

Done it many times with the Md-80's. Just dont hit anything.

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