jodoloy
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Instructor Pipeline

Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:12 am

I have a question about instructor pipeline programs. My school has agreements with American Eagle and Express Jet. Apparently a significant number of students get chosen before they graduate, and once they meet hiring minimums they are immediately hired by the airline that chose them. Are there any drawbacks or hidden "catches" to this program that I should be aware of?
 
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RE: Instructor Pipeline

Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:07 pm

As long as you're not forced to sign a contract I don't see any potential downsides.
 
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RE: Instructor Pipeline

Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:21 pm

If it's an airline that you want to go to and as mentioned, you don't have to sign a contract, no. It's hard to understand when you're not doing it but make sure you take your quality of life into consideration when you go to an airline. Commuting, upgrade times, benefits, bases etc all take their toll as much or more than the hourly pay rate. Look at the whole picture and ask around.
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jodoloy
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RE: Instructor Pipeline

Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:00 am

Are there any major differences between American Eagle and Express Jet? Which would more advantageous from a career, pay, or scheduling standpoint?
 
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RE: Instructor Pipeline

Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:43 am

Eagle isn't looking too good right now. Parent company in bankruptcy, merger with US Airways, B-scales, etc.

Here's a link that I came across the other day.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/07...link=addthis#.Ud2rJ-ijgE0.facebook

That being said, if you don't have to sign a contract, go for it. The industry is so volatile that Eagle might be the go to regional in a couple months. Personally, I would not go there right now.
 
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RE: Instructor Pipeline

Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:13 pm

Quoting jodoloy (Reply 3):
Are there any major differences between American Eagle and Express Jet? Which would more advantageous from a career, pay, or scheduling standpoint?

Eagle is facing tremendous pressure to further reduce their compensation right now. To be honest I don't know of many upsides to going to Eagle at the moment other than a potential shot at AA down the road. But that can be a false carrot too. ExpressJet flies a large amount of 50 seat airplanes that are on their way out over the next several years, but they are owned by a company with a good head on its shoulders. Unfortunately it is difficult to say which regional now will set you up the best for your career. There are so many variables at play, and things can change so dramatically in this part of the industry that what is the place to be today can be a dead end in just a year or two. See Comair, or Pinnacle for recent examples. One was a great company for a while and no longer exists. The other just two years ago had a brand new contract and a ton of potential and is now a shell of its former self, trying to survive under Delta's protection but will still inevitably furlough 2/3's of it's pilot group.

When it comes time to pick an airline go with the one where you can live either in base, or within reasonable driving distance. If you have to commute pick the easiest commute. Short flight, lots of scheduled flights per day, etc. You will be much, much, much happier living in base than if you commute. Don't chase an upgrade, by the time word gets out about a quick upgrade at one company or another, you've missed the boat. Look at the reputation of a company, the things people say about one place or another are said for a reason. If things continue like they are, when you meet the hiring minimums for Eagle or XJT you'll likely meet the minimums for several other regionals. Look around, don't limit yourself to those two just because there is an agreement.
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RE: Instructor Pipeline

Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:36 am

Which airline typically has a faster upgrade time to captain?
 
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RE: Instructor Pipeline

Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:17 am

Quoting jodoloy (Reply 6):
Which airline typically has a faster upgrade time to captain?

Who cares?

Why do I say this? What may be the case now isn't the case down the road. In 2008, I choose not to go to Eagle because their upgrade was running in excess of 8 years. The airline I went to had upgrade times around 18 months. By September, I was furloughed. I came back in January of 2009 and spent the next 4 years in the right seat before I left and got out of the industry because another 2 years at FO pay was not desirable nor was the prospect of commuting for the next 35 years.

Go where you can afford to sit in the right seat for years. You never know what may happen in the future and going to an airline with crappy work rules and pay just because of a "fast" upgrade has screwed many people.
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