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Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:51 am

Hello All:

Being a ramp agent, I am very used to and accustomed to the inside of the 737 luggage bin, however I was curious to see what it looks like on other A/C types. I know its common to see pictures of the 747,767s and some other widebody A/C , however I am a bit more intrigued to see the luggage bins of the 707, 717, 727, TU-154, etc. Lastly if anyone on this site worked any of these planes, how did the airlines prefer to load them ( nose heavy, tail heavy, etc )..
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:03 am

Quoting SXDFC (Thread starter):
717

The 717 is like the MD 83, 87, 88, and 90. You need most of your load in the back bins..

Also loading depends on a load plan sent via computer (DL), depending on pax booked up stairs and how many bags along with cargo if any the load plan will change so the plane will be nose heavy one time and tail heavy the next
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:27 am

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 1):
The 717 is like the MD 83, 87, 88, and 90. You need most of your load in the back bins..

Actually the 717, like the DC9 is opposite of the MadDogs. Most of the load needs to be up front. The "aft index" is usually extremely high so you load in the front to bring it down. On the MadDogs, the AI is usually very low so you load in the back to bring it up. The 90s usually aren't a huge issue unless it's a long flight (fuel).
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:17 am

Do you guys have any pictures of the DC-9, MD-80 thru 95 ( 717 ) bin? I've yet to work a 717, but a co-worker who used to work the MD80s and 717s at TW told me they were a real B**ch to load.
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:46 pm

Aft bin E190 (PITA, worst plane i've ever worked on and i've done the MD-80)



FWD Bin A320



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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:02 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 2):
Actually the 717, like the DC9 is opposite of the MadDogs. Most of the load needs to be up front. The "aft index" is usually extremely high so you load in the front to bring it down.

I did not know that. The closet plane to a DC9 or 717 I have worked is a MD87 and those load plans always instructed us to load it all in the back. But isn't the MD87 in the same class as the DC9 and 717?

MD87:


DC9:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2674/3883121272_0545f02b0e_o.jpg

717:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Hawaiian_Airlines.Boeing_717-200.KOA.2009.jpg
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:04 am

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 4):
Aft bin E190

What makes the E190 horrible to work?

Looks like you could stack the bags pretty high on the A320 series..
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:20 am

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 6):

Hit your head on one of those sharp overhead grates enough and you develop a dislike for the airplane.
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:55 am

The 747 belly has no floor. Rails for loading and control cables. Rearranging locks from cans to pallets is
an interesting task!
 
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:27 pm

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 6):

The picture makes the 190 look bigger than it is. You can barely stack 3 bags upwards. I've smashed my head on the extinguisher grates so many times it isn't funny. Also the bin lining tends to get ripped apart leaving jagged metal strips everywhere and the coating on the floor comes apart and bags stick there. Just an awful plane to work on.
 
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:32 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 5):
I did not know that. The closet plane to a DC9 or 717 I have worked is a MD87 and those load plans always instructed us to load it all in the back. But isn't the MD87 in the same class as the DC9 and 717?

You have to remember the 717's engines weigh much more. The BR715 engines dry weight is 6155 lbs compared to JT8D-219's dry weight of 4741 lbs. I'm not sure of the exact weight of the ventral stairs on the DC-9/MD-80, but I've read that it is only a few hundred pounds. So, you have an aircraft slightly longer than a DC-9-30 but with close to 3000 lbs more hanging on in the back.
 
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:54 am

Quoting Tardis (Reply 8):
The 747 belly has no floor. Rails for loading and control cables. Rearranging locks from cans to pallets is
an interesting task!

The older ones are like that, the ones that Qantas and the newer China Airlines ones had a full floor. But trying to walk those rails was super treacherous especially with wet shoes.
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:07 am

Quoting ha763 (Reply 10):
You have to remember the 717's engines weigh much more. The BR715 engines dry weight is 6155 lbs compared to JT8D-219's dry weight of 4741 lbs. I'm not sure of the exact weight of the ventral stairs on the DC-9/MD-80, but I've read that it is only a few hundred pounds. So, you have an aircraft slightly longer than a DC-9-30 but with close to 3000 lbs more hanging on in the back.

Yes, but they are also differently proportioned, which was designed into the plane because of the engine weight.
 
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:08 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 5):
I did not know that. The closet plane to a DC9 or 717 I have worked is a MD87 and those load plans always instructed us to load it all in the back. But isn't the MD87 in the same class as the DC9 and 717?

The 87 is quite linger than a DC9-50 or 717. It's in the same "class" as an 88. basically the same airframe actually.
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:50 am

Boeing 717... I took this one from AirTran ship 751 when it was barely 2 months old.


Still has the green liner on the floor, which as you might see on older ships (and probably this one by now) wears off quickly. This is the forward bin btw. The back bin looks similar, but is a hell of alot more cramped!.. When I worked at AirTran, most of the luggage went in the back bin with COMAT, Gate Checks, and overflow went into the front bins.

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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:50 pm

Originally, the 707 had retractable shelving in the cargo holds. These were removed by most operators. I had only seen it in manuals until I came across this pic: (click for larger size)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/peteredin/2717926072/lightbox/

Note one of the shelves is deployed just forward of the cargo door.

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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:55 am

What was the purpose of the shelves? From the design, they are simply layed flat. I was initially thinking the shelf system that's found in the FWD bins on PMDL 757s.
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:33 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 16):
What was the purpose of the shelves? From the design, they are simply layed flat.

Hat boxes? Steamer Trunks? Who knows what the designers in the 1950s had in mind. It would be interesting to see what a 1950s-60s cargo load looked like. It's hard to believe that rollaboards were not commonplace until the '90s.

Another 707 cargo compartment feature was the access door shown in the forward bulkhead (with the porthole). This door went to the E/E compartment which led to the cockpit access hatch behind the Captains' seat. I wonder how many flight engineers (or navigators) were sent down into the forward cargo to check on things?

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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:23 am

A design I always found very interesting where these removable baggage bins that could be pre-loaded and then slided into a DC-8. Sort of the ancestor of the modern baggage container!


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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:48 am

Thought this one was interesting, this is the aft bin of an A321 with both ACTs removed:



What it looks like with the tanks installed (from bin 5):

http://s21.postimg.org/b5r53b913/IMG_9300.jpg

And the miserably long front bin of the 321:

http://s15.postimg.org/auaqxk6ff/IMG_9297.jpg
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:48 am

Quoting jetblast (Reply 7):
Hit your head on one of those sharp overhead grates enough and you develop a dislike for the airplane.

I'm surprised that people working the ramp don't wear some sort of lightweight headgear (think the old style Navy flight deck cranials).
 
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:58 am

Quoting wn676 (Reply 19):

The A321 has some very spacious bins! However I must ask with that particular A321, is it bulk loaded or container loaded? I ask because I noticed there is webbing on one side of the wall. How many people are typically stacking in a bin? 2?

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 15):

Thanks for that pic! The 707 too has very spacious bins. It would be interesting to see how they stacked the bins back in the day on those planes too..
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:23 am

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 21):
The A321 has some very spacious bins! However I must ask with that particular A321, is it bulk loaded or container loaded? I ask because I noticed there is webbing on one side of the wall.

It is bulk loaded. As you said there is webbing which would indicate bulk loading. If it were containerized, there would be rollers and tracks on the floor.
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:40 am

Oh you guys, he was really asking in code if he could see pics of the junk in your trunk!
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:06 am

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 21):
The A321 has some very spacious bins! However I must ask with that particular A321, is it bulk loaded or container loaded? I ask because I noticed there is webbing on one side of the wall. How many people are typically stacking in a bin? 2?

These are bulk loaded. You can see the covered roller tracks for the ACTs which would also be installed on the rest of the bin if it were container loaded. We typically have two people in the bin only if they're stacking in bin 5 (we almost never use the door back there) or going behind the first net in the forward bin. Otherwise it's a one man short-stack operation.
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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:50 pm

Going back to the 707 I find the front bin container system interesting. The cans look like mini LD3s that are used on airbus A320s

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RE: Aircraft Luggage Bin Pictures

Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:02 pm

I wish I had photos, but the 727 seemed to be very easy to load bags on compared to a MD-80 series. It was much more spacious. Probably a lot like the A320 series seems to be.
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