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Airline Pilots Retirement Age (around The World)

Sat Sep 14, 2013 4:57 pm

Hi everyone,

I was wondering, what is the mandatory retirement age for airline pilots around the world. I believe the USA and Canada it's 65. Of course, this is assuming that the pilot is able to hold a valid medical. Are there any restrictions say, past 60?

I'm curious say for

Lufthansa
SAS
KLM
British Airways
Aeroflot
Qantas
Chinese Carriers
Africa..

etc

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RE: Airline Pilots Retirement Age (around The World)

Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:32 pm

This 2006 news item states that BA's retirement age for pilots was then 55 but was increasing to 60 (and from 55 to 65 for cabin crew in two stages, first to 60 and then to 65 five years later).
http://www.theguardian.com/business/...ritishairways.occupationalpensions

According to this December 2005 article, EU regulations were also involved.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2...top-BA-grounding-pilots-at-55.html
 
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RE: Airline Pilots Retirement Age (around The World)

Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:24 am

EASA regs state 59 maximum for commander of commercial flights and 64 for pilot of commercial flights. You may not hold an ATPL once you turn 60.

These are legal regs but airlines may have stricter requirements.
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RE: Airline Pilots Retirement Age (around The World)

Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:24 pm

Quoting vio (Thread starter):
Lufthansa

It used to be 60 for pilots, but some guys sued LH that they want to fly until 65 and they won. So now the retirement age at LH is raised to 65.

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RE: Airline Pilots Retirement Age (around The World)

Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:36 pm

In Colombia at Avianca mandatory retirement age for pilots is 65, and may continue to fly to that age if the pilot holds a valid medical certificate.

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Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:42 pm

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 2):
EASA regs state 59 maximum for commander of commercial flights and 64 for pilot of commercial flights. You may not hold an ATPL once you turn 60.

Can you source that, because I'm not sure it's accurate. I know Captains who fly in Europe and are older than 59. I think 59/60 is the max for commander on a single pilot commercial flight, but in a multi-crew environment, 65 is the maximum. However you can't have a multi-crew flight were all the pilots are over 60.
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RE: Airline Pilots Retirement Age (around The World)

Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:46 pm

Flight Engineers can fly til they die in the US at least, well as long as they can pass their 2nd class medical that is. I fly with lots of guys in their late 60's thru mid 70's.
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Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:38 pm

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 5):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 2):
EASA regs state 59 maximum for commander of commercial flights and 64 for pilot of commercial flights. You may not hold an ATPL once you turn 60.

Can you source that, because I'm not sure it's accurate. I know Captains who fly in Europe and are older than 59. I think 59/60 is the max for commander on a single pilot commercial flight, but in a multi-crew environment, 65 is the maximum. However you can't have a multi-crew flight were all the pilots are over 60.

You are correct. My material was incomplete.

FCL.065 Curtailment of privileges of licence holders aged 60 years or more in commercial air transport
(a) Age 60-64. Aeroplanes and helicopters. The holder of a pilot licence who has attained the age of 60 years shall not
act as a pilot of an aircraft engaged in commercial air transport except:
(1) as a member of a multi-pilot crew; and
(2) provided that such a holder is the only pilot in the flight crew who has attained the age of 60 years.
(b) Age 65. The holder of a pilot licence who has attained the age of 65 years shall not act as a pilot of an aircraft
engaged in commercial air transport.
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Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:56 pm

I guess it depends on your health and how much you enjoy it but I certainly wasn't ready to retire at 60 but by the time 65 rolled around I was getting tired of the jetlagged life. I can say I still do miss flying the jet (yes even the MD-11) and some of the fun layovers. don't miss getting up in the middle of the night.
 
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Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:53 am

I believe there's no age limit in Australia or New Zealand but stand to be corrected.


Problem is you can't fly internationally to another country with a lower age limit so are limited to domestic.
Wonder if there are any Qantas or Air New Zealand Pilots over 65 ?


I suppose they could fly between those two countries, curious to know ?
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Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:05 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 9):
I believe there's no age limit in Australia or New Zealand but stand to be corrected.


Problem is you can't fly internationally to another country with a lower age limit so are limited to domestic.
Wonder if there are any Qantas or Air New Zealand Pilots over 65 ?


I suppose they could fly between those two countries, curious to know ?

Correct.

At Air New Zealand as it currently stands, after hitting 65 you can't stay long haul in the left seat but can (and many have) opt to go back to the right seat as a F/O and continue long haul flying. If you want to stay in a command position over 65, you can currently go to either the 737 or A320. As Australia also has no upper age limit, International ops there are no issue. A320 Captains over 65 are not rostered on Noumea flights as they follow the French rules concerning PIC age restrictions.

Some of this (especially the over 65s staying in the RHS long haul) may change in the near future if ICAO ratifies proposed changes to pilot age restrictions.

As an aside, Air NZ currently has several pilots over 70 still flying.
 
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RE: Airline Pilots Retirement Age (around The World)

Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:09 am

The medical check frequency would be higher after a higher age.
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RE: Airline Pilots Retirement Age (around The World)

Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:09 am

Quoting mr airnz (Reply 10):
At Air New Zealand as it currently stands, after hitting 65 you can't stay long haul in the left seat but can (and many have) opt to go back to the right seat as a F/O and continue long haul flying. If you want to stay in a command position over 65, you can currently go to either the 737 or A320. As Australia also has no upper age limit, International ops there are no issue. A320 Captains over 65 are not rostered on Noumea flights as they follow the French rules concerning PIC age restrictions.

Ok, I believe you, but it does seem a bit odd. If a A&NZ pilot is flying an A&NZ registered aircraft, for an A&NZ airline and fully complies with A&NZ rules why do the rules of other countries matter, even on international flights? Is it because ICAO has a maximum age? Do we have another example like the ETOPS > 180 situation.

Just to note, age based retirement is illegal in Australia & I assume NZ, because it is discrimination for no real reason, just age. You still have to meet any medical requirements, of course but if you do age is NOT a reason to force retirement.

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RE: Airline Pilots Retirement Age (around The World)

Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:02 am

At KLM it's 56, if you work part-time during your career it can be extended up to 60. I am sure that the retirement age will go up in the coming years as pensions get less and less. The "normal" retirement age in The Netherlands is 65.
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RE: Airline Pilots Retirement Age (around The World)

Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:14 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 12):
Ok, I believe you, but it does seem a bit odd. If a A&NZ pilot is flying an A&NZ registered aircraft, for an A&NZ airline and fully complies with A&NZ rules why do the rules of other countries matter, even on international flights? Is it because ICAO has a maximum age? Do we have another example like the ETOPS > 180 situation

Because when within airspace or at airports of different nations, you have to comply with the rules of that state too which may or may not differ from ICAO anyway.
 
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RE: Airline Pilots Retirement Age (around The World)

Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:01 pm

Quoting mr airnz (Reply 14):
Because when within airspace or at airports of different nations, you have to comply with the rules of that state too which may or may not differ from ICAO anyway.

If I follow you, and I'm haven't been reading every post, there were over 60 pilots for foreign carriers flying into the U.S. when the max age was 60 here. I was over 60 and flew into most of the countries mentioned here. Sorry if I missed the point, just finished 1st cup of coffee.
 
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RE: Airline Pilots Retirement Age (around The World)

Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:47 am

58 at LX, with the option to fly until 60 should the emplyee so wish and the company agree.
 
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RE: Airline Pilots Retirement Age (around The World)

Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:48 am

I think 60 years is a nice round number. I don't know too many guys who want to stay past 60. Flying is a tiring job and by that time, one looks at a nice comfortable retirement, with a nice farm and maybe a Piper Cub in your personal farmhouse / hangar.  

There are a few Air Canada pilots that are around 60 and they are just waiting to fly the 787 before they retire  
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RE: Airline Pilots Retirement Age (around The World)

Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:47 am

Quoting vio (Reply 17):
I think 60 years is a nice round number. I don't know too many guys who want to stay past 60. Flying is a tiring job and by that time, one looks at a nice comfortable retirement, with a nice farm and maybe a Piper Cub in your personal farmhouse / hangar.  

There are a few Air Canada pilots that are around 60 and they are just waiting to fly the 787 before they retire

It really depends on the person. I know people who could never imagine working past 60-65. Others cannot imagine retiring at 60-65.

I think two factors will affect this moving forward:
- Aging ain't what it used to be. In the the developed world especially, more people are staying healthy longer. The argument that you are no longer fit to command at sixty will be all the more hollow at the years pass.
- The economy in the last five or six years, and seemingly moving forward, will push more pilots towards delaying retirement.
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