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Embraer Yoke Inspired By Concorde?

Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:07 pm

Looking at this picture:
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I wondered whether the Embraer controls had been inspired by the Concorde's. Are the button controls similarly placed?

Also are these commands electrical? On all models? Thanks.

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26point2
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RE: Embraer Yoke Inspired By Concorde?

Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:48 pm

2 planes I have flown, the HS-125 Hawker bizjet and AC-690 Rockwell Turbo Commander, also have this yoke configuration. I'm sure there are others.
 
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RE: Embraer Yoke Inspired By Concorde?

Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:55 am

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 1):


2 planes I have flown, the HS-125 Hawker bizjet and AC-690 Rockwell Turbo Commander, also have this yoke configuration. I'm sure there are others.

Curious how you liked it compared to the traditional yoke, what do you think are the pro's and con's ?
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RE: Embraer Yoke Inspired By Concorde?

Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:43 am

Feature hes been here for a long time :
The Bristol Britannia, aka "the whispering Giant"

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and its derivative, the CL44

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as one can see, the radius of the bank control is very important.
I had the opportunity to fly those in 1977 -8 in Angola, thanks to the crews of the defunct Young Cargo outfit. It needed quite a lot of effort to move and knees and thighs got in the way... which was a bit strange.
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RE: Embraer Yoke Inspired By Concorde?

Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:05 am

The Trident had the same rams horn yoke too, i suppose you could say apart from the E190 family they were really a British thing.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Briti.../Hawker-Siddeley-HS-121/1638825/L/

I've heard that they felt very natural to fly, as your hands are probably most comfortable defaulted in that position, but your knees did get in the way on occasion.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/0549603/M/
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RE: Embraer Yoke Inspired By Concorde?

Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:57 am

Having flown planes with both types of yokes, after a few hours there is no difference. With a conventional yoke, you tend to pull to bank, with horns it's more like pushing the opposite side up. You do bump your legs until you get your position right though.
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RE: Embraer Yoke Inspired By Concorde?

Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:48 pm

And don't forget my bike, which has a similar yoke  
Sorry, joke on yoke...
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RE: Embraer Yoke Inspired By Concorde?

Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:43 pm

Interesting observations from the rams-horn flyers. I always thought the main benefit of the design was knee clearance.

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RE: Embraer Yoke Inspired By Concorde?

Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:12 am

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 4):
The Trident had the same rams horn yoke too, i suppose you could say apart from the E190 family they were really a British thing.

And the 145, and the 120, and the Phenom. They're going side stick on the new Legacy 450. The Brazilians like them too I guess.

They're really not bad. It's a little awkward to turn left in the right seat and right in the left seat at first because of the pivot point in the Embraers but otherwise you get used to it quickly. It's actually a pretty ergonomic design. Your hands fall into them quite naturally.

And yes, advising your fellow pilot that you are doing a control check is considered better manners than bashing their knees.
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RE: Embraer Yoke Inspired By Concorde?

Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:07 pm

I have about 3,000 hours in the E145, and the "ram horns" yoke is comfortable in most flying conditions. It's a bit more challenging in crosswind landing situations when most would argue that a traditional yoke is easier to manage. There were times when the yoke would hit someone's knee in crosswind landings, so keep your head up!
 
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RE: Embraer Yoke Inspired By Concorde?

Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:54 am

Quoting modesto2 (Reply 9):
It's a bit more challenging in crosswind landing situations when most would argue that a traditional yoke is easier to manage.

When I flew the HS-125 I found that a right x-wind was tougher than a conventional yoke and in a left x-wind easier. Just the leverage that each type gives you.
 
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RE: Embraer Yoke Inspired By Concorde?

Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:06 pm

I like the rams horn along with the sidestick I find that it closely matches the natural position of my hands.
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