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Virtual Airlines?

Mon Dec 03, 2001 1:53 am

Hey all,

I may look like an absolute newbie, and in a way I am...

What is the use of virtual Airlines? What are they for, how does the entire thing work? Are there compititions or something? I am really interested in flying for Virtual Airlines.

Please Fill me in,

Wietse de Graaf
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RE: Virtual Airlines?

Mon Dec 03, 2001 5:03 am

Virtual Airlines are just what the name implies.... virtual airlines. Their fleet, routes, etc. can be totally original or they can be based on actual airlines. A pilot for a virtual airline can either fly any route he or she wants or the airline can give him a route. Many times, new pilots must complete training to exams to become members, but usually start out flying regional aircraft. There are competitions to see which virtual airline has the best pilots. Many are based on realism, while some are based on pure fun http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hjcurtis/fslinks_va.html has a comprehensive listing of virtual airlines. I'm sure you can find one that you like here.

Good Luck

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RE: Virtual Airlines?

Mon Dec 03, 2001 5:23 am

Well this is what I consider a VA.

What is a "Virtual Airline?" A VA is a group of people who fly with the computer game "Flight Simulator" by Microsoft, who simulate flying as a real airline. We operate our own variety of planes, of course with our own paint scheme, and have scheduled service to multiple destinations across North America and the world. This is done to increase the general interest of the Flight Simulator product, as well as make it much more enjoyable for all of us, by creating a realistic purpose to flying around the virtual world. Anyone with FS can join - and of course, it's free! US Midwest is not a real carrier, although we do attempt to be as realistic as possible at all times.

Thats what we put on our homepage for "newbies". Dont worry, when i started, i had NO CLUE what the heck was a VA. If you need some help or would like to join our airline, our webpage is


I am the President of that VA. We have our "hubs" in Ceveland, Pittsburgh, Ft. Lauderdal, and San Fransisco. Again I say, if you have any questions just email us, we'll be glad to answer any you may have.

President, US Midwest Corp.

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RE: Virtual Airlines?

Mon Dec 03, 2001 5:36 am

So it is done pure for hobby? Does it take plave through the internet? in one big virtual world, where other airlines also fly around? I live in Amsterdam, so time difference can be a problem, but I am definately interested!

What is a "hub"?

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RE: Virtual Airlines?

Mon Dec 03, 2001 7:49 am

It can take place on the internet, where you use a program called squawkbox (which is basically an internet Air Traffic control). It is done for pure hobby.

A hub is where an airline bases many of its flights.
For example if you live the Netherlands, KLM's hub is in Amsterdam, United is at Chicago, Delta at Atlanta, American at Dallas/Ft Worth, Northwest at Minneapolis.

Most airlines have secondary hubs where a smaller amount of operations are conducted
For example, United has secondary hubs at Denver, San Francisco, and Washington-Dulles.

If you have anymore questions, feel free to ask.


P.S. you sould check out VA's websites so you can learn about their particular operations.
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RE: Virtual Airlines?

Tue Dec 04, 2001 4:43 am

Another suggestion is European Overseas Airways Company or EOAC.

Group of serious VA veterans has gathered couple of years ago to create an airline with a focus on flying, not simulating corporate politics which we already have in our daily lifes at our jobs.

We have a complete fleet of premier FS2000 models, and we are now focused on FS2002 upgrades. Also, as important --- we have put thousands of hours of group effort into scheduels, flight plans, charts and other material usefefull for more structured approach to flight simulation.

EOAC Mission statement: to provide the virtual aviation community with a realistic and modern airline business background, offering the pilot an interesting and ever changing set of circumstances with which to relate the airline experience while allowing the pilot to develop their knowledge of flight methods and techniques to whatever individual level is comfortable.

Boeing 747-400:
EOAC London (updated flight dynamics)
EOAC Geneva (New livery, updated flight dynamics)
EOAsia (updated flight dynamics)

McDonnell Douglas MD-11
EOAC Geneva (New livery, updated flight dynamics)
EOAC Brussels (New livery, updated flight dynamics)
EOAC Paris (New livery, updated flight dynamics)
EOAsia (New livery, updated flight dynamics)
EOAmericas (New livery, updated flight dynamics)
ESA Stockholm (New livery, updated flight dynamics)

Boeing 767-300
EOAC London (New)
EOAC Manchester (New)
EOAC Paris (New)
EOAmericas (New)
EOAsia (New)
ESA Stockholm (New)

Boeing 757-200
EAC Brussels (New livery, updated flight dynamics)
EAC Geneva (New livery, updated flight dynamics)
EAC London (New livery, updated flight dynamics)
EAC Paris (New livery, updated flight dynamics)
EOAC Geneva (New livery, updated flight dynamics)
EOAC London (New livery, updated flight dynamics)
EOAC Paris (New livery, updated flight dynamics)
EOAsia (New livery, updated flight dynamics)

Airbus A320-200,
EAC Brussels
EAC London

ESA Stockholm

Fokker 100
EAC Brussels
ESA Fokker 100

and ATR72.

URL: http://european-overseas.com/


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RE: Virtual Airlines?

Wed Dec 05, 2001 3:08 am

Here is virtual spotter's story about European Overseas Airways Company virtual airline. I wish we could make such photos of real airlines...

European Overseas, style matters

EOAC is the parent company to 5 divisions, employing the flight crews directly, with the five smaller enterprises employing ground crews and owning/maintaining their own aircrafts. Pilots belong to the Union, and are free to chose at any time operations in any of the franchises.

B747-400 are EOAC flagships. EOAC originally ordered sixteen aircrafts in 1987 as replacements for the existing fleet of 747-100s and Tristars. At that time, however, the EOA division were enjoying profitability and permission was sought and eventually received to order a further 30, with options for 30 more. Eventually, the airline was to receive 77.

London LHR based EOAC 744>

Geneva, Switzerland based EOAC 744>

Singapore based EOAsia franchise 744>

London LHR based EOAC 757-200ER>

757s in EOAC fulfill two requirements for an aircraft in the 150-200 seat range - short haul trunk routes, and long range thin routes. Along with 757s, European Overseas have at various times operated almost every version of the 767 but in recent years have converted most it's fleet to 767-300ERs.

London Heathrow based B767>

Stockholm based ESSA franchise B767-300>

Rio De Janeiro EOAmericas franchise B767-300>

Another EOAmericas B767-300>

In medium range market, Airbus 320-200s play very important role. EAC franchise operates 110 aircrafts on European routes:

EAC franchise operations based of Brussels, Belgium;

London LHR based EAC A320-200s

EAC European Airways Company operate 49 Fokker 100.

All of the EAC aircrafts have been refitted according guidelines set down by EOAC regarding seating arrangements. The EAC Fokker 100 aircrafts are fitted out in a 82 seat arrangement offering a generous seat pitch of 107cm (42ins). Meals are served on many flights.

Brussels based F100s:

Paris, France based F100s:

Paris based EAC F100; Paris used to be large EOAC hub in the past; today it is mostly a gateway for EOAmericas and EAC flights.

Stockholm hub is a home for 21 MD-11, long haul workhorsed for Scandinavian franchise ESSA:

49 MD-11s are part of EOAC mainline fleet, based of Geneva Contrin and London Heathrow:

EOAC has always preferred aircrafts with more than two engines, simply to avoid ETOPS restrictions.

14 EOAmericas MD-11s are based in Rio De Janeiro hub for flights to Europe, and Africa.

Singapore based EOAsia franchise operates 9 MD-11s:

In latest schedule, EOAsia operates MD-11s on routes to various European hubs and gatewatys.


MD-90-30ERs are slowly being replaced by A320s; however Scandinavian franchase ESSA franchase based of Stockholm, as well as Brasil based EOAmericas are still operating total of 59 aircrafts.

MD-90-ERs offer an increased fuel load at the expense of cargo space. The EOAC MD-90 aircrafts are fitted out for 14 Business Class and 94 Coach class in an extremely low density arrangement. Business Class passengers enjoy a seat pitch of 152cm (60ins) while Coach Class are guaranteed a generous 107cm (42ins).

Most of EOAC MD-90 fleet - 44 of 59 - has been moved to EOAmericas today.

The ATR 72 was withdrawn from regular European Overseas service in November 2001 as part of the company reorganisation following the downturn in global economy. The aircrafts are currently in storage awaiting clarification regarding European Overseas long term regional strategy.


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RE: Virtual Airlines?

Thu Dec 06, 2001 8:11 pm

VAs can have members all over the world, flying online or off (though some require online flying).
A good VA is one where you can feel at home. Consider what you want before choosing one.
Some will have complicated advancement structures like real airlines. Do you really want to fly 100 hours in a Beech 1900 before being allowed into an ERJ, where you then have to spend 200 hours before you get a 737, etc.?
Do you have the time to fly the 10 flights a week required by that other VA?
Do they fly in an area where you would like to fly?
Are the flights of a type you like? Some VAs have mainly long distance routes, if you want short hops those are not for you.
Are they stable? VAs come and go, sometimes there is fierce fighting between the members. You don't want to be a part of that, as it ruins the enjoyment. Remember it is not a real job, but with some VAs the stress can be enough to make it look like it is.
What happens if you can't fly for a while? With some VAs they scrap you immediately, others are more forgiving.
Is there a fleet of aircraft? Some VAs don't bother, which is a good sign that management is not serious about their job, since they don't even care to create a corporate identity.
How is the website? Is it well done or just hacked together?

I fly for Tradewind Caribbean, http://www.tradewind.org, a nice and large VA that has been in existence for over 6 years now. The fleet is currently under examination so not everything is online, but if you ask there is always someone who has an aircraft for you.

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