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At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Fri May 13, 2005 1:04 am

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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Fri May 13, 2005 2:43 am

About time! Have you tried it out yet?

I have downloaded it but wont be flying on FS until the weekend at the earliest!!

Let me know how you get on with it.

Chris

P.S.. I was browsing through virtual plane pics earlier and i saw the name "Gofly" on there LOL  rotfl  Great pics!
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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Fri May 13, 2005 3:05 am

Thanks Chris!

I have tried it, I took a short hop from DUB-LHR. It includes more than meets the eye, like for instance you can set the spacing/time between the aircraft, and the runway roll out speeds. (You need the latest version of FSUIPC)

I flew into LHR, I didn't get put into a holding pattern, but others did! It was great, I didn't have to go-around!
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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Fri May 13, 2005 6:10 am

Do you ever get put into a holding pattern? If other planes do, I'd feel a bit guilty if I was always given priority handling.

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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Fri May 13, 2005 7:20 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
Do you ever get put into a holding pattern? If other planes do, I'd feel a bit guilty if I was always given priority handling.

you could always just circle a few times anyway, to ease the guilt?
 
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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Fri May 13, 2005 7:50 am

Just downloaded the file, ill try it out later.

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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Fri May 13, 2005 9:46 am

Great! Just downloaded it and I'm just about to fly AMS-BRS so i'll use it and post again later.
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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Fri May 13, 2005 10:50 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
I'd feel a bit guilty

Only guilty if you were holding actual people up  Big grin

I've had the last few betas of this program and think it works quite well. At present FSUIPC does not supply bank angle information so you may see aircraft at extreme angles and upside down at times. It does what it says though. There is also AI Traffic Separation (fsaisv1.1.zip on Avsim) that will slew the offending aircraft in reverse a prescribed distance to maintain separation. I have both but haven't put them in a head to head test yet. I'll give it go some time in the next few days.
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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Fri May 13, 2005 12:17 pm

Unfortunately my flight test revealed little. Bristol isn't busy enough to check it out! I'll try to head somewhere big next to give it a proper try.
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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Fri May 13, 2005 1:28 pm

Quoting FiddleSticks (Reply 7):
I have both but haven't put them in a head to head test yet. I'll give it go some time in the next few days.

I look forward to hearing about that test. I've downloaded both, but haven't installed either yet. I think I'll wait until someone like you gives an actual description of the pros and cons of each.

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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Sat May 14, 2005 3:38 am

i think not getting put into a holding pattern lessens the experience and i think go arounds are pretty cool so personally i think this would be a big waste of time for me
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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Sat May 14, 2005 4:30 am

Simple solution: Fly on VATSIM

It's more realistic to be put into a holding pattern at the bigger airports
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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patter

Sat May 14, 2005 5:02 am

I tried out AI Smooth V1 today @ LHR here are the results:

Time monitored: 0930-1030 on Friday (let sim run for one hour before monitoring to get itself sorted out)

Landings varied from 10min early to 1hr+ late.

Takeoffs: 19
Landings: 19
Crashes: 2
Oddities: 2
Go Arounds: 0
Disappearances due to holding short for too long: 0

My Settings (Default):


Oddities: This program didn't get along with the FSPainter 777 all that well. The BA plane slammed HARD into the ground about 5 miles out and went around in circles appearing at the end of the runway every 5 minutes or so.
The UA plane was to arrive at 0855 and at 1030 was still holding, just rolling and rolling. At other times I've seen such problems with other aircraft as well.




I'll get the AI Traffic Traffic Separation test done in the comming days and post my results here.
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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Sat May 14, 2005 6:18 am

Wow... I downloaded it but haven't tried it yet... hope that doesn't happen at LAX!
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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Sat May 14, 2005 9:42 am

What's the latest version FSUPIC?

...and does this addon require the latest version.?

thanks


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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patter

Sat May 14, 2005 10:42 am

Both addons require FSUIPC (http://www.schiratti.com/dowson.html) latest version is 3.48

The biggest difference between the two programs is what they do to the AI aircraft to get them to conform. AI Smooth instructs the aircraft to do a 180 fly away from the airport three miles and turn back around. FS AI Separation slews the offending aircraft backwards until it a proper distance behind the aircraft in front of it. The biggest problem with AI Smooth is that it has no way to control bank angle so you end up with aircraft flying upside down and flying half way under ground.

My thoughts for what'd work best is FS AI Separation with a larger separation radius than I used would work quite well. Once AI Smooth gets the problem gets the bank angle issue solved I'd reduce the separation time just a bit and that should work quite well also. Bottom line, take your pick.

FS AI Separation results:

I tried it out over the time period as the last test at LHR using identical techniques. Only difference was the AI handling program.

Landings were all on time (+/- 15 min from sched).

Takeoffs: 15
Landings: 27
Crashes: 0
Oddities: 0
Go Arounds: 5
Disappearances due to holding short for too long: 0

Settings:
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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Sat May 14, 2005 12:57 pm

Fiddlesticks:
What is that scanner I see in your sceenshots? Does that come with the program, or is it a separate download, I would love to get a copy, myself.
 
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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Sat May 14, 2005 3:54 pm

Thanks for that, FiddleSticks. thumbsup  I'll get around to trying one of them out some day.

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 16):
Fiddlesticks:
What is that scanner I see in your sceenshots? Does that come with the program, or is it a separate download

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the TCAS and flight info scanner come with Ultimate Traffic.

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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Sat May 14, 2005 11:20 pm

The TCAS is part of Ultimate Traffic. The flight info scanner is on avsim.com, just search for tvb_v2.1.zip.
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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Sun May 15, 2005 12:37 am

Thanks, but I have UT... how do you access the TCAS?
 
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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Sun May 15, 2005 12:56 am

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RE: At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!

Sun May 15, 2005 2:12 am

wow...i never knew about the TCAS.....super info.

Thanks

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