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Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:06 am

Hello,

I would like to ask you guys, if you think these would be good for hubs for a Virtual Airline

NOTE: This is sort of the master plan for my airline. I will start the airline small

This is the order the hubs will be added, most likely.

LAX (Primary)
PDX or SEA or DEN(Secondary: smaller hub i.e. CO-Cleveland or DL-Cincinnatti)
STL (Primary)
MCO or TPA (Primary)
EWR (Either Primary or Secondary)

I'd like this to be a fairly realistic airline. Thanks for all opinions, comments, etc.!

Anthony
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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:09 am

Good hub choices

Tpa over mco and if ewr is a hub id love to be hub manager
 
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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:10 pm

Hey, thanks! However, there is one problem. Like I said, this is just the master plan, and although we are going to choose EWR, it may not be for a while, until we start up. Sorry if I'm not very clear, but my staff is pretty much me, myself and I...for anything, I am happy to accept any staff members of any sort, but just a note: we may not be accepting pilots as far away as the next couple of years (depending on staff issues).

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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:17 pm

Goeiedag Anthony...

I'd be willing to be part of your staff..

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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:55 am

Thanks for the info (Although I'd like a few more opinions, please)!

Anthony
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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:06 pm

All right, on this ungodly hour I'm typing, I'm going to conjure up the first routes of my virtual airline.

I'll start off with:

LAX-SEA
LAX-SFO
LAX-LAS
LAX-PHX
LAX-PDX
LAX-SMF

Anthony
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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:37 am

Whats the fleet boeing or bus?
 
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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:54 pm

When selecting a hub, ask yourself; what areas am I trying to connect?

i.e. East Coast with Florida-- RDU, CLT, ATL...

East Coast with West Coast-- DFW, MCI, STL...

For a focus city, you need a good population base for O&D traffic, but it does not have to be centrally located.

I have two VA's. One is a Business class only, like Midwest, which concentrates on business travellers. We are based at LAX with hubs in MCI, EWR, and FLL. We link major west coast cities with major east coast cities using MCI. We also do focus routes out of LAX, EWR, and FLL with nonstops to most major US cities. We use 84 seat 717's through MCI and all variants of A32x's from focus cities.

My other VA is all coach, a la Jetblue, which connects major US cities with Latin America. We have hubs at ONT (base), DFW, and MCO. ONT handles west coast to Mexico, DFW, our smallest hub handles midwest to Mexico, and MCO handles US to Carribean and South America and also has good O&D with Disneyworld.

Basically your hubs should make sense.
 
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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:28 pm

Pick a location that has fairly stable weather and less traffic congestion. Follow the real world cargo carriers: MEM IND MIA OAK EWR
I prefer less congestion because taxi times at peak operations and weather delays can cause major headaches if following real world operations.

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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:29 pm

Quoting COEWR777 (Reply 6):
Whats the fleet boeing or bus?

I'm not exactly sure, but I'm leaning on starting with airbus.

Quoting NASOCEANA (Reply 8):
NASOCEANA!

Cool username!

Thanks you guys for helping me out with this!

Anthony
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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:44 am

Hey Anthony,

Haven't talked to ya in a while. Anyway, I'd like to offer a proposal. Since you're mainly situated in the west and me in the east (my soon to be announced venture), how'd about a codeshare of some sorts? If you're going to set up some operations in DEN, then it might work better. Anyway, let me know what ya think and we can discuss it.

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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:27 pm

Quoting Yanksn4 (Reply 10):
Hey Anthony,

Haven't talked to ya in a while. Anyway, I'd like to offer a proposal. Since you're mainly situated in the west and me in the east (my soon to be announced venture), how'd about a codeshare of some sorts? If you're going to set up some operations in DEN, then it might work better. Anyway, let me know what ya think and we can discuss it.

signed,
Matthew

Hey, I know...sorry, but I've just been so busy with school, and I mean BUSY!! I'll hopefully get on more, soon.

Anyway, about the Codeshare, that's a really good idea! I like it! The only problem is though, depending on staff issues, the time in which we will start may not be for a while.

I need a really good website designer. That would be VERY nice, and we would get a head start on, um, starting.

The final question I have is whether I should choose DEN, SEA or PDX. I'm leaning toward DEN, because that would be a good connecting hub from west to east, vice versa, but SEA or PDX would allow for good north-south ops, and Canada, Alaska, Asia operations.

Hmmm...

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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:31 am

My vote goes to Denver
 
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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:54 am

DEN would be best. I'm up for woeking with and/or for you. This would be my frist VA, so I have no idea what is going on. Can someone tell my the basics of a VA and all of those tipe of things.

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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:38 am

I think your going to struggle,why should virtual passengers choose to fly with your airline?.  Wink
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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:19 pm

Because were the best Va
 
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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:08 am

Seeing there are no more replies, I've officially made the hubs: LAX, DEN, STL, MCO, and EWR for the master plan. SEA will be a focus city with flights to Alaska and Hawaii. (I've made a 5-year master plan route map.)

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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:24 am

Very nice

I am just guessing on some routes

Ewr- Serving most Us cities and lots of International destionations
Lax- Serving most us cities and asian cities
Stl- mostly an express a/c city
Den- connecting traffic
Mco- carribean connecting traffic and lots of Us cities.

So what is the fleet as of now?
 
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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:49 pm

Seeing as I am going to start off small, this will be my first airplane:

737-200

My 5-year master plan makes me hope that I will operate the following aircraft in order of delieveries (This is very much subject to change):

737-200
737-400
MD-83
MD-88
MD-90?
717-200
A320-200
A319?
757-200
737-700 (retires 737-200)
737-800 (retires 737-400, maybe MD-80s)
767-300
777-200?
787-800
787-900
787-300

I plan on sticking with just one major type of airplane manufacturer, and I chose Boeing, but I decided to include some Airbus, and McDonnell Douglas to help with variety. I don't plan on this being totally realistic, but I'm going to try my best at not making it a ridiculously unrealistic VA.

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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:24 am

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Reply 18):
Seeing as I am going to start off small, this will be my first airplane:

737-200

To have the experience more realistic you should start with the 737NG series or B717.

From a management standpoint:

-Cockpit commonality with other newer models you may add to fleet
-More fuel efficient plane (especially in today's market place)
-Greater range
-More seats
-Cheaper seat costs per mile flown
-Cleaner on environment

"From my background in finance, a bank will be more likely to make a loan to someone who is investing into newer technology rather than older dated technology (i.e.. Planes)"

Just one way to make the experience and management of a VA more realistic

Its OK to start small, but start efficiently! Best of luck!

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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:36 am

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Reply 18):
I plan on sticking with just one major type of airplane manufacturer, and I chose Boeing, but I decided to include some Airbus, and McDonnell Douglas to help with variety. I don't plan on this being totally realistic, but I'm going to try my best at not making it a ridiculously unrealistic VA.

McDinnell Douglas is now Boeing sortof. I think if you do have to go with the 737NG (witch is fine), you should still get some 732. You have to keep a classic like that flying.


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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:43 am

Well, I don't know exactly how to explain how I'd like to work this, but here goes:

I'd like my VA to be flying a few aircraft most airlines are retiring, ie 737-200, and MD-80s. That's the reason I'd like to start with the 737-200.

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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:05 pm

Quoting Blackhawk144 (Reply 21):
I'd like my VA to be flying a few aircraft most airlines are retiring, ie 737-200, and MD-80s

Nothing's wrong with that. Consider the classic 727!

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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:06 am

CHANGE OF PLANS:

I've actually changed some of the plans around a little bit.

Here is the master plan fleet in order of acquisition:

717-200
MD-88
MD-90
737-200 (For planned Alaskan operations - I plan to be big in intra-Alaska flights, plus some west coast routes as well.)
A320?
A319?
737-700
737-800 (To replace MD-80s)
757-200
737-900
767-200
767-300
767-400
777-200
787-300
787-800
787-900

Airplanes to possibly consider:
747-200
747-400
A330-200
A330-300
A321

Hubs: From most amount of flights, to least amount (In the master plan)
New York (Newark)
St. Louis
Denver*
Orlando*
Los Angeles

*DEN, and MCO will have approx. the same amount of flights

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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:20 pm

Nice plan remember i can be the Ewr hub manager
 
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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:10 pm

Quoting COEWR777 (Reply 24):
Nice plan remember i can be the Ewr hub manager

Sounds great! Thank you for your help, but like I said earlier, it may be a while before EWR becomes a hub so you can either just wait for it, and I'll email you when we're ready to get one, OR you could perhaps do a different job until then, either as a staff, or a pilot (When we start accepting them). The choice is yours.

Actually now that I say it:

Anyone else who wants to become part of staff, please let me know as soon as possible, by saying it here, or emailing me at shortstuff_144@hotmail.com

Anthony

[Edited 2005-10-11 06:14:24]
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RE: Are These Good Virtual Airline Hubs?

Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:53 am

Nice i can do what ever just tell me what.

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