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PSS 777

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:55 am

Hey anyone planning on buying the PSS 777 when it comes out soon??? I loved their Airbus Series! Can't wait to get my hands on the 777-300ER!!!
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eclipseflight7
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RE: PSS 777

Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:19 am

Are you kidding me? Have you looked at the screenshots? The model is appaling. The only thing correct on it is its landing gear, the rest looks like crap.

Not to mention its 125 dollars. FeelThere is working on a 777, and when FeelThere makes a plane, you know its good.
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Mir
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RE: PSS 777

Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:19 am

I'm not entirely wild about a 777-300ER without a 777-200ER, but I'll probably get it. I'll have to confirm first that it isn't a frame rate killer - PSS put a serious VC in this one, and if there's one thing I hate, it's VCs, and particularly big, frame-eating ones.

By the way, does this graphic look off, or is it just me?

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RE: PSS 777

Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:27 am

Quoting EclipseFlight7 (Reply 1):
when FeelThere makes a plane, you know its good.

I'm not very fond of their CRJ, but their ERJ is pretty good. I just wish they'd spend more time on the documentation.

To be fair, remember that back when FS2000 was around, the 767PIC (which eventually became the Level-D) was considered the best add-on ever, despite a highly crappy visual model.

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RE: PSS 777

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:13 pm

Quoting EclipseFlight7 (Reply 1):
Not to mention its 125 dollars.

Where did you get that price??  laughing 
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RE: PSS 777

Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:32 am

BTW,
feelthere will make there 777 not PIC wich means with less detail than on the ERJ PIC or the 737 PIC.
It is even rumoured that the FMC is not functional...

I can only assume the FS community is crying out load for a 777-200ER and I hope the 777LR of PSS can be converted into a 772ER, at least I will give it a shot to get them merged with Melvin Rafi's meljet's!

The Previous PSS 777-meljet merge was a piece of cake compared to the PSS posky ifdg merges, but I could do it afterall...

will see if I can do a merge now!
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RE: PSS 777

Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:53 pm

On a side note, it seems that the PSS 777 will have a built in functional weather radar (into the ND), a first for an FS add-on - up until now there has only been a Reality XP weather radar and I believe ASV includes one.
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RE: PSS 777

Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:13 pm

I am planning on buying the aircraft, though likely not all 3 models.
If I hadn't needed some rather expensive maintenance on my car and new glasses this month, draining my bank account, I'd have preordered it.

Their work is excellent, their 777 a classic in the FS world.
Sure there are others who make nicer looking external models but PSS excell in flight models (not counting the 340 series which they outsourced for reasons known to me but under confidentiality) and panels, they build for pilots not spotters.

For me their models are excellent. Low (relatively) impact for something that looks good enough from a distance, excellent flight characteristics and panel functionality.
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RE: PSS 777

Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:48 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 7):
Sure there are others who make nicer looking external models but PSS excell in flight models (not counting the 340 series which they outsourced for reasons known to me but under confidentiality) and panels, they build for pilots not spotters.

Very very true! The Airbus Series are a joy to fly and i'm sure this 777 will be some of their best work yet!
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RE: PSS 777

Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:17 am

Why do they have a 772LR model coupled to 7772/2ER operators?
 
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RE: PSS 777

Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:58 am

After looking at the prices  wideeyed 

All three Aircraft Variants (House Livery) £45 SAVES £15 !
ALL (18) 777200LR liveries £50
All (9) 777200LRF Liveries £25
All (17) 777300ER liveries £50
ALL B777 Liveries £100

I think I'll wait for the disk version!!
 
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RE: PSS 777

Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:38 pm

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 9):
Why do they have a 772LR model coupled to 7772/2ER operators?

That's a good question. For some reason they elected not to create a -200ER model but there were many requests from users for ER liveries so they were applied to the LR instead.
Except range characteristics between the two are quite similar for the crew so there's not much of a problem (just don't look at the wingtips which do differ).

My guess is they couldn't get good enough performance figures on the ER to make an FDE they could sell.
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RE: PSS 777

Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:25 pm

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 11):
Except range characteristics between the two are quite similar for the crew so there's not much of a problem (just don't look at the wingtips which do differ

Different bypass engines too.

I gotta say all in all this thing's a bit of a rip off.
 
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RE: PSS 777

Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:44 am

You say its a rip off, but I got quite a good deal. Ive only ordered the 773ER plus real world liveries.

1X 777_300ER_Pro_Base @ £15
1X 773ER_Air_France @ £5
1X 773ER_Emirates @ £5
1X 773ER_EVA_Airways @ £5
1X 773ER_Singapore_AL @ £5
1X 773ER_Air_India @ £5
1X 773ER_PIA @ £5

Subtotal - £45.00
49% Discount
Total: £22.95

A 49% discount was fabulous! So for the cost of the 6 liveries, was only £7.95.

I will report back when it is released.
 
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RE: PSS 777

Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:26 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 11):
My guess is they couldn't get good enough performance figures on the ER to make an FDE they could sell.

I'd have a hard time believing that they couldn't find enough data on the ER but yet had no problem with the LR. Especially since they made an ER for FS2000. The LR hasn't been flying for that long.

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RE: PSS 777

Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:46 am

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 13):
A 49% discount was fabulous! So for the cost of the 6 liveries, was only £7.95.

I will report back when it is released.

In this day and age it's rediculous to pay for liveries. Free repaints, like that of PMDG, are obviously the way to go. Why should someone pay for a repaint when there are hundreds of people out there willing to make it for free?

Quoting A330Fan (Reply 4):
Where did you get that price??

For three aircraft variants its 100 dollars. So I was slightly off, but it's overpriced nonetheless.
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RE: PSS 777

Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:49 am

Quoting EclipseFlight7 (Reply 15):
In this day and age it's rediculous to pay for liveries. Free repaints, like that of PMDG, are obviously the way to go. Why should someone pay for a repaint when there are hundreds of people out there willing to make it for free?

This is very true, but their model is cheaper than that of the PMDG model.
 
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RE: PSS 777

Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:31 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 14):
I'd have a hard time believing that they couldn't find enough data on the ER but yet had no problem with the LR. Especially since they made an ER for FS2000. The LR hasn't been flying for that long.

There's now a message on their support forums. They just wanted something different they'd not done before, an excellent reason.

Quoting EclipseFlight7 (Reply 15):
In this day and age it's rediculous to pay for liveries. Free repaints, like that of PMDG, are obviously the way to go. Why should someone pay for a repaint when there are hundreds of people out there willing to make it for free?

That's your choice. With PMGD you pay for all those liveries as well, it's just hidden inside the price of the total product.
PSS gives me a choice to not pay that price if I don't want to, something I've always appreciated.
Liveries don't come free. Someone has to make them which takes time. Time is money, money that is recovered in the price of the product.

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 16):
This is very true, but their model is cheaper than that of the PMDG model.

Read above for the reason why...
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RE: PSS 777

Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:02 pm

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 17):
Liveries don't come free. Someone has to make them which takes time. Time is money, money that is recovered in the price of the product.

Then why are there thousands of free liveries on Avsim?
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RE: PSS 777

Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:50 am

I have a friend who was testing the PSS 777, and he said that the model is not at all as it seems to look. They took the shots on a crappy system, and that's why it looks crappy..

Right now, I bought the 3-model pak for 62.99 USD..

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RE: PSS 777

Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:25 pm

Quoting EclipseFlight7 (Reply 18):
Then why are there thousands of free liveries on Avsim?

We both know I was talking about the liveries that come with commercial products as standard.
Those you need to pay to have made, a cost I'd just as soon avoid if I can.
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RE: PSS 777

Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:02 pm

Hey, i think the from wat ive seen now the panel is great, and i think that on the pc were those screen shots were made is shit.
So i pre ordered the 777-300ER and the emirates livery for only 16 pounds!!!

Can´t wait to FLY IT!!!
have a nice day.

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RE: PSS 777

Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:16 am

I just ordered the 777LR and yeah the price does suck but they usually have great panels and systems, but I will wait out for free repaints.
 
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RE: PSS 777

Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:17 am

Quoting RC4050 (Reply 22):
I just ordered the 777LR and yeah the price does suck but they usually have great panels and systems, but I will wait out for free repaints.

PSS great systems? Airbuses were good as for FS2000 standards but 330/340 were buggy crap never fully patched with very simplistic systems comparing to other addons. Visuals model usually poor as well - even worse this time.

I am amazed how many people will still spend a lot of cash to buy crappy PSS products.
 
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RE: PSS 777

Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:49 am

Danny- I find your argument strewn with gaping defects in logic..

Obviously you haven't seen the LATEST screenshots. If you had, you wouldn't be talking trash about PSS like that.. The 340 WAS outsourced, but the T7 was not..

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RE: PSS 777

Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:53 pm

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 24):
The 340 WAS outsourced, but the T7 was not..

What do you mean? 340 wasn't done by PSS? Even if that was true it was PSS product and it was crap.

On the other side screenshots are only screenshots. I'll wait for some opinions of people who actually bought it. If it turns to be great plane then I'll buy it but I find it ridiculous to preorder Fs addon.
 
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RE: PSS 777

Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:12 pm

TBH all pss a/c are utter crap. They look crap, act unrealistically and are just generally bad a/c.

Paying for liveries is also on way to make yourself look bad when compared to other addon producers. You can do them yourself for free and people repaint for avsim so no need to buy them.

Stick to PMDG for the time being. At least you can rely on them for a nice model.
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RE: PSS 777

Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:44 am

Quoting A3204eva (Reply 26):
TBH all pss a/c are utter crap. They look crap, act unrealistically and are just generally bad a/c.



hey, in my opinion, it depends from wat computer you have, cause i kno that the best computers can even make the crappyest planes look good, and dont say that it is shit before the final one came out....

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RE: PSS 777

Thu Nov 03, 2005 6:57 am

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 27):
hey, in my opinion, it depends from wat computer you have, cause i kno that the best computers can even make the crappyest planes look good, and dont say that it is shit before the final one came out....

Yeah but surely it's all relative. Bad models are bad models after all. If they look worse than other models on his system then your point is not valid.
 
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RE: PSS 777

Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:57 am

PSS Dash-8-300 is great. Model is great cockpit it great. Flight Dynamics I have heard are realitic. Dash-8 pilot said the cockpit was very good and even helped him learn his insturment scan and the locations of some things.
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RE: PSS 777

Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:13 am

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 27):
hey, in my opinion, it depends from wat computer you have, cause i kno that the best computers can even make the crappyest planes look good, and dont say that it is shit before the final one came out....

My computer is powerful, FS frames are around 100 even with scenery and PSS doesn't look any better cos they're generally crap.

And I can predict the future on the final model after looking down the line at previous a/c!! The only good thing about pss are their covers on the case.
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RE: PSS 777

Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:18 am

Quoting A3204eva (Reply 26):
act unrealistically

Maybe you're right on the visual model, but I have a lot of experience comparing the performances of the A32S and A330/A340 on the real Level-D simulators at SN flight academy and I must say they act quite good, especially on landing and cruise, very realistic.

the A340 needed a bit of attention, but the A330 and A32S act to a scale from 1 to 10 at a 8.5 straight from PSS.
In general they all miss some points on the FBW that is not correctly modelled.
Also the ALPHA FLOOR is not so good and the initial climb rates are a bit off but easely overcome.

I had off course needed to adjust some things for the use in our VA,
but the "tuned" A343E and A332PW are now 98% to the real specs from SN FA and Airbus manuals!
Currently I' am doing the A32S, who are less complicated to do, but 3 aircraft at once.

In the 777LR, I feel immidiatly the FBW effect(pull the stick, plane tilts up, stop pulling, plane keeps the BA.)
It will certainly be better modelled although I don't have exp. on a real 777 level-D to compare its behaviour.

Also I heard a comment on the much less systems modelled on the Airbus series.
Except for the ADIRS not modelled, and the fire bottles, there is not much significant missing that disturbs a lot.
A FBW-Airbus is really not that complicated on system installation, more complicated is the FBW logic, but once you figure it out well, you'll never forget it!
the A/T system is really a great way to use less complication in autoflight!

And last but certainly not least, the frames on PSS are really good.

So I' am a proud PSS supporter, they deliver a magnificant core product and that's what counts the most for many of us; a good flight model.
And after a little tune from someone who can they are top notch.
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RE: PSS 777

Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:59 am

YAY! Pre-release is out!!!!!!!!! Big grin

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RE: PSS 777

Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:16 am

Got the LR today and was as per expectations. As usual the visual model isn't great but the panel is what you buy it for. Hopefully there will be a merge soon. Despite the aircraft model (I hate window cut-outs, whats wrong with a decent texture fella's???) I like PSS because the panels are good and it just works. The install works, the product works which is more than I can say for others out there. I am happy with it so far and if someone can get it to work with the MelJet models I will be damn happy. I have started a merge but am having problems with the auto-throttle.

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