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Ultimate Traffic - Is It Worth It?

Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:55 pm

I'm new to FS9, and I'm seeing all these screenshots of airports jam-packed with aircraft and desperately wanting to join in the fun - the stock FS9 planes just don't cut it for me!

So - will this "Ultimate Traffic" program solve my dilemma? Is that all I need to start seeing DL jets packing ATL, HP jets all over PHX, and AS jets in SEA, etc? Or is there more to it than just buying and installing this program?

Is the install easy? Do you just fire up FS9 and - et voila! - all is right with the world? Or is it a lot more involved?

I'd appreciate any input. Thanks!
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RE: Ultimate Traffic - Is It Worth It?

Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:49 pm

None of the Ai packages is better than self made custom made AI. Models are crap, paints are crap, schedules are outdated and many types of aircraft as well as many airlines are missing. But if you have no time to do it yourself that is some option.

If you decide to go on with your own AI here are few links that will help:
http://www.ai-aardvark.com/
http://www.evolveai.com/
http://www.fsalliance.net/
http://www.carledwards.eu.com/
http://www.boris-cargo-fp.fsalliance.net/
http://www.world-of-ai.com/
http://www.projectai.com/

and obviously www.avsim.com

Hope that helps  Wink
 
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RE: Ultimate Traffic - Is It Worth It?

Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:06 pm

I find UT great.I find my real holiday flights on it,examples are the AC flight vancouver to Hononlulu,ANZ001 EGLL-KLAX and when i was in virtual nairobi i thought UT had got it wrong when i saw a BA737 but when i actually went to Nairobi on holiday last year sure enough there were BA 737's and in Vancouver in UT i was surprised to see an Aloha airlines 737 i thought they would use a bigger aircraft but in real Vancouver they was the real Aloaha 737. The only problem for me is there is no American Airlines but i understand there is a download available.
Install is very easy,just follow the instructions on screen,i think you be impressed with it.  Smile
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RE: Ultimate Traffic - Is It Worth It?

Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:22 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Thread starter):
Is the install easy? Do you just fire up FS9 and - et voila! - all is right with the world? Or is it a lot more involved?

Traffic 2005
If you want to just install it, then have instant traffic everywhere, buy Traffic 2005. However, it is full of mistakes. Great if you just want traffic that is there and fairly accurate, but of you want complete up to date and correct traffic, it sucks. Also, as with all payware traffic packages, the models are poor.

http://www.traffic-2005.net/

Ultimate Traffic
Ultimate traffic is slightly different to Traffic 2005. It takes slightly more time to set up, as you compile your own schedules. Again, the models are poor by most standards. (PAI V.1??) However, replacing these models can be done easily, there is a tutorial here in Av. Hobby. There is much more flexibility with the flight plans, and necessary tweaks can be made. So it's more work for more gain.

http://ultimatetraffic.flight1.net/

Custom Made AI
Custom made AI is fantastic. However, it requires a lot of effort and time to be put in to it. Knowledge of how to use certain programs is also required. You have to source you own models and flight plans, and put them together using a program called Traffic Tools. Danny provided some good links for that. Best of all, it's free.

It depends how much time you've got, if you choose to do custom AI, you may find yourself spending more time building that than actually flying!  Wink

Have fun! Big grin

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RE: Ultimate Traffic - Is It Worth It?

Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:14 pm

Why dont you fly online?
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RE: Ultimate Traffic - Is It Worth It?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:04 am

I personally suggest you download the complete airline packages provided by ProjectAI (get them here. Also download their installer here. This way you get relatively realistic traffic straight away. Once you've done that you can replace the aircraft you don't like with better models such as Aardvark (link shown in Danny's post) and also update the schedules once you get the hang of Traffic Tools.
 
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RE: Ultimate Traffic - Is It Worth It?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:32 am

I use Ultimate Traffic but have replaced the crappy models that it ships with using models from various freeware developers. From my experience, that is the best solution.

UT comes with flight plans for upwards of 1000 airlines but they are not all covered with paints, so most will show up in a generic scheme. I made a tutorial a while back that shows how to replace models and textures if you're interested in taking this route.
Adding New Models And Textures To Ultimate Traffic (by FiddleSticks Apr 23 2005 in Aviation Hobby)
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RE: Ultimate Traffic - Is It Worth It?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:42 am

Quoting Gofly (Reply 3):
Custom Made AI
Custom made AI is fantastic. However, it requires a lot of effort and time to be put in to it. Knowledge of how to use certain programs is also required. You have to source you own models and flight plans, and put them together using a program called Traffic Tools. Danny provided some good links for that. Best of all, it's free.

Testify! I have never even considered payware packages, and when I have, their screenshots have totally turned me off. I do all the work, but its that much more worth it to me...
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RE: Ultimate Traffic - Is It Worth It?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:11 am

EA CO AS, until a week ago, I used FS Live Traffic (free demo version). Their models are awful. I have the same opinion of all payware AI packs. In less than a week, I have learned to use TTools, with ease, in incorporating new models and flightplans. Also, the freeware models and paints are mostly outstanding. I am using ProjectAI flightplans, and FSP for my Airbus models and AI Aardvark for most of the rest. Take the short time (five to ten minutes) to learn how to use TTools. Installing the AI aircraft is the same as a regular add-on.

Have fun,
BAB

p.s.Does FSP do the repaints for PAI? I was searching for a FSP repaint, and I kept getting directed to PAI.  confused 
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RE: Ultimate Traffic - Is It Worth It?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:36 am

Thanks, everyone for the feedback! I really appreciate all the info. I'm thinking I'll probably tinker with it and see what I come up with.

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 8):
EA CO AS, until a week ago, I used FS Live Traffic (free demo version). Their models are awful. I have the same opinion of all payware AI packs. In less than a week, I have learned to use TTools, with ease, in incorporating new models and flightplans. Also, the freeware models and paints are mostly outstanding. I am using ProjectAI flightplans, and FSP for my Airbus models and AI Aardvark for most of the rest. Take the short time (five to ten minutes) to learn how to use TTools. Installing the AI aircraft is the same as a regular add-on.

Thanks for the suggestion, BAB. What does TTools do, exactly though?
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RE: Ultimate Traffic - Is It Worth It?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:42 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 9):
What does TTools do, exactly though?

Anybody, correct me where I'm wrong  Smile

TTools modifies a file called traffic.bgl. This is the file that controls your AI. It is so, so, so easy to use.

It automatically finds the traffic file (in FS9/Scenery/World/Scenery). The first thing you do is click "decompile." This creates three source folders:aircraft, airport, and flight plans.

To add an installed aircraft to AI, you put it in, yep, the aircraft file. Ex: AC#2435,460,"Title of the aircraft you want to use". The title comes from the title line of the aircraft.cfg of the plane you want to use.

Then you add the flight plan to the, duh, flight plan file. The easiest way is to cut and past from a file that you download.

Next, you usually don't need to do this, but if you must you can edit airport info in the...airport file.

Finally, click compile. It puts the three files back into the traffic.bgl and you're off to the races. Start FS9 and you have AI.

TTools can be a lot more complicated if you make it so, but that generally isn't neccessary or deserving of an explanation.
This is what TTools looks like:


Here's the Aircraft file:


And here's the flight plan file:

It's not as bad as it looks.

Hope this helps,
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RE: Ultimate Traffic - Is It Worth It?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:57 am

Where do I get TTool?
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RE: Ultimate Traffic - Is It Worth It?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:20 am

Thanks BAB! Judging by the screenshots I think I might be able to figure it out. The last one looks like a real pain though, FWIW. So you just cut and paste the plans in from ProjectAI? About how long does it typically take you (start to finish) to compile a decent schedule and a good size of traffic?

Thanks again!

Quoting Lastordu (Reply 11):
Where do I get TTool?

I'd assume from avsim.com - or is that not the case?
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RE: Ultimate Traffic - Is It Worth It?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:37 am

I join the general opinion. I had already made a Custom traffic of all the major airlines around the world. when I bought UT. That traffic was mainly made with ai-aardvark , fspainter, and projectai models (I think that in general, ai-aardvark and fspainter are the most realistic). The fact is UT did not have many more commercial flights than I had, and the quality of the models was really poor.

The big advantage I find in those packages is they can give you an idea of which traffic you can find in some more or less remote airports anywhere in the world. Sometimes, when I want to fly to a little airport and I don't want to feel lonely, I activate my UT traffic. But I mostly use it as a quick guide to know which airlines fly to every airport and to get the most interesting ones in flight sim pages with a better quality. I can also recommend you to free download AI TRAFFIC MOVER from the web. Combined with any traffic (here UT becomes most useful) it's a fantastic to tool to know the flights programmed to arrive and/or depart from any airpot, weekly, or in a certain day, in any interval of time you want to know, and lets you find easily which are the busiest days of the week, the busiest period of the day, and the traffic of the busiest period of the day classified by the type of aircrafts. (microprops, small jets, large jets, huge jets, etc.). Very informative and useful, really
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RE: Ultimate Traffic - Is It Worth It?

Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:49 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 12):
I'd assume from avsim.com

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First I download the paints I need. I already have most models. My most extensive AI pack is Delta. I have probably two dozen different paints for it. Six to ten is probably average. It takes me about thirty seconds to a minute per paint to install them into their aircraft folders. Then, I just cut and paste their titles into the TTools aircraft file. That takes a minute or two.

Then, I simply cut and paste the flightplan I downloaded into the TTools flightplan. That takes less than a minute.

Lastly, I click compile, and that's that!

What takes the most time is installing the paints. That might take five minutes or thirty minutes, depending on how many paints you have to do. Afterwards, it's five minutes at the most of cut & paste, and ten to twenty seconds of compiling. Once you get settled in, twenty minutes should be enough time for you to complete most projects.

So, in short the TTools part only takes a couple of minutes. The rest is just like adding a regular aircraft.

BAB  Smile

Tips:
1. Use Wordpad, not Notepad, when editing the files. It's much more responsive and doesn't hang like the latter can.

2. Install AI by the airline, not the type of aircraft.

3. If you screw up, don't worry. You can always restore the original traffic.bgl.

4. If you need more info., don't be afraid to ask.
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RE: Ultimate Traffic - Is It Worth It?

Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:53 pm

I got another question, on "Traffic 2005" what are the minimum system requirements?
Thanks in advance for any answers.

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RE: Ultimate Traffic - Is It Worth It?

Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:15 pm

I haven't mastered the AI install unless its with the MRAI installer--but I use a combination of UT, PAI, and freeware. The freeware is the most up to date--UT and PAI are updated much much less--with that said--UT is an awesome program.
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