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Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:00 am

Hi all,

Just a quick pointer..

Project Opensky have released the Boeing 737-800. The available repaints can be found on www.avsim.net

I have yet to download and test it out, but regarding visual impression, the tail doesn't look right to me.

Let me know what you think.

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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:27 am

I looked through my screenshots and compared the avsim shots to mine as well as real ones, and the tail looks normal when you really look at it, it's just that the aspect in that shot makes it look goofy...

I'll have it installed by this afternoon so I'll put up shots then..

-Aaron
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting AC21365 (Reply 1):
I looked through my screenshots and compared the avsim shots to mine as well as real ones, and the tail looks normal when you really look at it, it's just that the aspect in that shot makes it look goofy...

I'll have it installed by this afternoon so I'll put up shots then..

Good stuff mate!

Also give us a report on its handing and if the FDE are correct etc and if it has that stupid elevator problem that the FFX & Kittyhawk 737NG's seemed to have (which I fixed myself!).

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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting GEEZ (Reply 2):
stupid elevator problem that the FFX & Kittyhawk 737NG's seemed to have (which I fixed myself!).

Ya wow that has been a real pain an the "arse" for me too. I kept crashing because of it!! Well it's good to know someone else has released a 738 model, thanks for the info Chris and other Aaron.

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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:06 am

Looks good, flies amazingly, autospoilers didn't go down after I killed the reversers, but whatever...

Lemme jimmy this shiny new panel in there and take it for another spin, this time I'll get pics.

-Aaron
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:39 am

if I didn't have the PMDG 737, I would immediately download the posky 737 aswell
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:54 am

Ok I have oficially tested the POSKY 737-800. First off, I'm gunna say I like it better than the Kittyhawk model. It is a bit more sensitive on the controls, but fly's quite similarly to the kittyhawk model. I think they have adjusted the performance and not made it so powerful, but just enough power that it flies like the real thing. One complaint though, while on final approach you need to add a LOT of back pressure to keep it steady, otherwise it goes into the ground just like the kittyhawk model does. Anyway here's the shots, I reccomend you try it for yourself and post any shots or reviews here. Thanks!



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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:14 am

Quoting GEEZ (Thread starter):
Just a quick pointer..

Project Opensky have released the Boeing 737-800. The available repaints can be found on www.avsim.net

you mean they relesed the preview? I can't find any repaints on avsim.
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:21 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 7):
you mean they relesed the preview? I can't find any repaints on avsim.

FreedomToFly got the KLM repaint and I got the Delta repaint and we agreed to post pictures. As soon as a.net stops being gay and lets me post screenshots, You'll see them.

-Aaron
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:24 am

So as myself and the other Aaron agreed to, I would take the DAL shots, and he would get the KLM shots. I took so long because I threw together some wingviews before I flew, just to make things interesting.

The Good:
- Amazing model
- Realistic flight dynamics (as far as I can tell)

The bad:
- Autospoilers don't retract
- No panel or sounds
- Touchy on landing, yet stable the rest of the time

The ugly:
- No winglet model yet!!


And the shots, as I promised:






-Aaron
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:24 am

Hello Chris,

Just joined the forum , regarding the 737 800 from Posky i can,t see any mention of it on their site so where can i find it?

Cheers Roger.
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:25 am

HA!!!! My screenshots finally posted!!

Quoting Dodger (Reply 10):
Hello Chris,

Just joined the forum , regarding the 737 800 from Posky i can,t see any mention of it on their site so where can i find it?

Cheers Roger.

www.avsim.net

Search for "737-800 project opensky"

-Aaron
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:26 am

Quoting Dodger (Reply 10):
Just joined the forum , regarding the 737 800 from Posky i can,t see any mention of it on their site so where can i find it?

I couldnt see it on the POSKY site either. - I was just stating what I had found on Avsim.
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:26 am

Hi ,
Thanks I have downloaded the 737-800 from Avsim,

Just done a check flight in her and found two things really, a bit nose up in level flight and the same problem with thrust reversers opening and closing but this seems a common problem wth a lot of aircraft in the sim ,one of my main grouts over the years, having flown[virtually] some 250 hrs in the 737 it seems as good as the rest and its in Beta so some things will be improved i expect ,just my opinion mind,having said all that it will be another Posky winner i,m sure,

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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:07 am

I just flew it too. It looks great but it flys very badly. The flight controls are not sensitive at all, the aircraft doesn't want to turn. The aircraft is very underpowered. I'll stick withKittyhawk. I hope the CRJ700 won't disappoint like the 738 did.
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 14):
I just flew it too. It looks great but it flys very badly. The flight controls are not sensitive at all, the aircraft doesn't want to turn. The aircraft is very underpowered. I'll stick withKittyhawk. I hope the CRJ700 won't disappoint like the 738 did.

In all honesty, an airplane that big isn't going to be as nimble or quick as the RJ's. I found the power delivery to be spot-on compared to other planes I have downloaded. Even fully loaded, that sucker is quick, and climbs like a champ.
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:52 am

Quoting AC21365 (Reply 15):
Even fully loaded, that sucker is quick, and climbs like a champ

What? My delta 738 couldn't even get off the ground. I guess your saying if you takeoff full power, then yes. But takeoffs aren't done in full power in real flight. With thrust set at around 80% I stalled after rotation, the flight dynamics aren't correct as in real life. The 738 will need a lot of improvements.
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:01 pm

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 16):
What? My delta 738 couldn't even get off the ground. I guess your saying if you takeoff full power, then yes. But takeoffs aren't done in full power in real flight. With thrust set at around 80% I stalled after rotation, the flight dynamics aren't correct as in real life. The 738 will need a lot of improvements.

On takeoff I use around 95% N1 when fully loaded, and quickly brought it back to around 85% N1 once flaps were up.
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:05 pm

I downloaded the Delta bird and I must say that I like the flight dynamics a little more than the other 737's. It seems to me to be more stable, especially during approach. However, my biggest qualms are the shape of the wings in wing view and the landing gear. The flaps are angular instead of curved like they should be and I think the landing gear seem a bit small. The nose gear doors also close much to slowly. Yeah, I know, small details, but I am picky about that sort of thing. Hopefully whatever flaws we have found in the new bird will be corrected in later versions.

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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:58 pm

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 16):

When you set a 20% thrust derate it doesn't mean setting "80% N1 RPM". The least N1% of RPM for takeoff should be about 92% RPM. That equates to around 80% thrust. At max takeoff weight you should use about 96% RPM which is still about 90% max thrust.
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:13 am

Quoting AC21365 (Reply 9):
The bad:
- Autospoilers don't retract
- No panel or sounds
- Touchy on landing, yet stable the rest of the time

There is a good 737NG soundset available on avsim and a few good 73NG panels as well if you look hard enough. They're a freeware company and I must say , with the exterior model detail you can't expect them to make a panel , a VC and a soundset for each of their aircraft , too time consuming. Would be nice though  Smile (Although they do make VC's for some of their aircraft , hope the 73 is on their list)

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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:07 am

I got the Pacific Blue bird last night and took it for a test run from Wellington to Auckland, NZ. I like the visuals of the plane, felt the winglets were exceptionally modelled. I was a little dissapointed to see that the Virtual Cockpit version hasn't been released yet - oh well, it's still an awesome *free* product from those legends over at posky. I felt the plane responded well and realistically. I tacked on the PMDG soundset and it really was an excellent experience. I'm not a great technical expert but I really liked this aircraft - and would certainly fly it often.

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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:01 am

I flew a KLM, FCO-AMS. it felt like a rocket during take off but struggled at higher altitudes, efficently using derated thrust in climb I couldent get it above FL340.... which I know that 738s can make it to FL380 with no problem. It also seems to eat a lot of fuel, no way could it go 3,300NM like it should. maybe ill play around with the thrust in the cfg and see if I can get it to work better. overall its a nice plane besides the few flaws.


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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:50 am

Quoting N808NW (Reply 22):
no way could it go 3,300NM like it should.

Erm.... no it shouldn't! The 737-700 can't even hit 3300nm, I think the 738 is just under 3000nm, no?
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:40 pm

Save your lunch money and buy the PMDG 737NG series, those things fly in a very sexy fashion, by hand or autopilot.
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:32 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 24):
Save your lunch money and buy the PMDG 737NG series, those things fly in a very sexy fashion, by hand or autopilot.

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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:15 am

POSKY has released both a model update and an FDE update. Watch your FDE; the original version uploaded was actually a beta version (it says so in the aircraft.cfg)

FDE update link via POSKY forum (select the link below the FDE UPDATE alert in red; it should take you to AVSIM)

Model update link via POSKY download area
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:11 pm

I sure hope they fixed the dynamic wing flexing in their model, the posky model sucks compared to the wing flexing on basically all the iFDG Airbus 32x, 330 and 340 models.

We shall see in a little while..
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:22 pm

Quoting AC21365 (Reply 27):
the posky model sucks compared to the wing flexing on basically all the iFDG Airbus 32x, 330 and 340 models.

iFDG hasn't released their A345 and they haven't done an A330. Only POSKY, Mike Stone and Flightcraft made A330s and personally, I like the Flightcraft A330-200 the best, can't wait for their A333.

BTW, do you know if they have finally fixed the spoilers on that thing? Because last time I checked, they didn't deploy right when on the ground and with thrust reversers open. I checked the POSKY forums but there is no mention on whether this was fixed with the service packs or not (disregard the flap deployment in my shot, with the service packs, they're now supposed to be fully extending to the positions they should extend).

Last time I checked though, they fully deploy like this:

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I also don't really like the way the engines are modelled, they just don't look right. They look far too small if I compare them to the 737NGs that come down to SJO, courtesy of CM and AA. And I have searched, and nothing on the engines as of now.
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:20 pm

Quoting AC21365 (Reply 27):
I sure hope they fixed the dynamic wing flexing in their model, the posky model sucks compared to the wing flexing on basically all the iFDG Airbus 32x, 330 and 340 models.

We shall see in a little while..

To correct myself, I have the posky 330 and 340 models, and they did an okay job with the wing flex on them, what bothers me most about the B738 is the noticeable "kink" in the ends of the wings. Very unrealistic.

 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:52 am

Quoting AC21365 (Reply 29):
To correct myself, I have the posky 330 and 340 models, and they did an okay job with the wing flex on them, what bothers me most about the B738 is the noticeable "kink" in the ends of the wings. Very unrealistic.

What I personally hate about the POSKY A330-A340 is that the textures are poor, not only in detail (those who have seen a real A330's Aileron and compare it to a POSKY A330/A340 aileron will know what I mean), the wings look too thick, the H-Stab doesn't move properly, etc. One thing I hate about the A340 is the FDE, I constantly have to trim DOWN, and not UP to maintain glideslope. The last time I flew that thing on a circuit around SJO, I landed some 100 feet short of RW 07, straight into the antennas and the grass.
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:52 pm

Quoting Amy (Reply 23):
Erm.... no it shouldn't! The 737-700 can't even hit 3300nm, I think the 738 is just under 3000nm, no?

The 73G can reliably perform that range easily. Refer to CM's PTY-EZE.
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:52 pm

Quoting Phatfarmlines (Reply 31):
The 73G can reliably perform that range easily. Refer to CM's PTY-EZE.

Not always. They do have to perform fuel stops on route sometimes when the headwinds are too strong, at least on the EZE-PTY leg of their route, which is north-northwest bound.
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:41 pm

Will Project Opensky release a 737-700? I've enjoyed the Kittyhawk and 737Experience versions, but I have always enjoyed POSKY projects.
 
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:53 am

I know what I will be downloading on thursday  Silly
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RE: Project Opensky B737-800

Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:26 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 16):
But takeoffs aren't done in full power in real flight. With thrust set at around 80% I stalled after rotation, the flight dynamics aren't correct as in real life.

Why the hell are you trying to take off with 80% N1? Give it a shot at 93% and let us know how it goes. If it doesn't work then, then you might have a qualm with realism.

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