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New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:24 am

For the Moderators and readers,
I have changed the project of the EK 1/144 A340-500 into a South African A340-600, therefore I started this new thread so it gives the correct info for you!
You can close the A340-500 EK topic.

This thread is for the model kit enthousiast to create out of 2 (or maybe 3) A333 kits an A340-600 as real as it gets!

read the old post here:
A340-500 1/144 Emirates (by SWISSER Jan 27 2006 in Aviation Hobby)

this is where we left of,


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Reply 48, posted Mon Feb 20 2006 12:58:35 UTC+1 and read 10 times:


Quoting SWISSER (Reply 47):


Karel, how are you going to put the SAA A342 tail on the A346 tail?? I thought about this project as well, but it was the tail that made me go for an A343 instead.



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Reply 49, posted Mon Feb 20 2006 17:15:00 UTC+1 and read 1 times:


Quoting Thorben (Reply 48):
Karel, how are you going to put the SAA A342 tail on the A346 tail?? I thought about this project as well, but it was the tail that made me go for an A343 instead.

I think I' am going to paint the flat colors myself on both A342 and A346 and drop the detail decals on them, will give much better result!
after that massive work, it will mean nothing and it's not that hard, I have already done such a thing for a friend on a helicopter in South Africa!

ok, some tail shots from our beloved site!
The A340-600:

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Photo © Zak Economides


The A340-200:

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Photo © Rolf Wallner



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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:32 am

I will start now with the extension of the fuselage!
it's really looooong, even in model!
I know South Africans call it "the Dachshund", a teckel dog!

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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:21 am

Ok,
here is a shot of the quick 3M tape fit!
If you find faults in the lenght, please share it!
I' am quite sure this is the exact lenght, but still...

Don't look at the windows, they are wrong after the middle of the wing.
Also note that on the aft section, i have placed a plug of 4 frames, this is the location where the last door will be placed.
This came from some leftovers of previous conversions,
in fact this is already a part we need from a 3rth kit, this was needed because the aft section is stretched out on it's maximum with the A333 kits...

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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:04 am

Well everything worked out nicely!

the fuselage is assembled, the modified wings are installed and the tail is set in place!
It starts to look like an A340-600 now!

To give an impression of the lenght, I have included a real size picture of the current state of the model!
It looks very rough now, but you can recognise the A346 in it!
I can't wait to paint the SAA tail on it!  Wink
this picture is also a good reference for you guys!
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:44 am

Man Karel you jsut can't make up your mind can you  Wink

(My advice is go with the -600 but lets see a Swissair bird!)
 
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:02 am

Quoting ILOVEA340 (Reply 4):
Man Karel you jsut can't make up your mind can you

Yes, in fact I'am a real mindshifter!

Quoting ILOVEA340 (Reply 4):
(My advice is go with the -600 but lets see a Swissair bird!)

No prob!  Wink

It's not an A340, but this SR bird is an icon for Swiss aviation!
Still a lot of work on this MD-11, but it's a Swiss(air) masterpiece in the making!
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:49 pm

It is really interesting switch. Did you finish the EK plane and started a new one or you just changed your mind and building the same one you already mentioned?

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 5):
but it's a Swiss(air) masterpiece in the making!

I'm currently building Swissair bird, too. Only difference is that it is Fokker 100.
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:37 pm

Hey!!Nice.I'm doing a SAS 767-300 right now.(1:144)
Just a question:What do you use as a primer??

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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:57 pm

Hi Karel, quiet impressive. In April, I will have time to do more on my models, then I will look after my LH A346.
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 7):
Nice.I'm doing a SAS 767-300 right now.(1:144)

What color do you use for SAS? I'd love to build either SAS or Gulf Traveller. The Revell choice of 371 fro SAS doesn't seem good to me.
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:22 am

Revell 371.Right on the head.It's on the manual.seem right to me.
But I had to change the blue for another one.the one in the manual sheet was more ''Lufthansish''.

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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:00 pm

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 7):
Just a question:What do you use as a primer??

I use Humbrol Nr1, very good!

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 6):
It is really interesting switch. Did you finish the EK plane and started a new one or you just changed your mind and building the same one you already mentioned?

I just took the started parts of the -500 and just extended the fuselage to a -600!
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:11 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 8):
then I will look after my LH A346.

I will guide you on that!

I' am planning to create some sort of manual with detailed drawings of what to do and what to get for fellow modellers.
Anyway, the model looks really awesome!
I was planning to work on it this evening, but I got a lot of work at BRU with our newest customer at the Catering, Thalys!

Still I' am going to speed up things, and I want the model to be primered and whitened this weekend, wings in full paint and landing gear and engines installed, so I just need to paint the tail, place the decals and start the detail work like antenna's etc. So in 2 weeks it should be finished so I can start working out the manual!
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting SWISSER (Thread starter):

Hey Karel, any news from your workbench? It seems that I totally ruined my little Fokker today, so I'd love to hear something better.
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Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:29 pm

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 13):
It seems that I totally ruined my little Fokker today

Why, what happened?
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:27 am

Well, usual stuff - PAINTING. I'm using a very basic airbrush and it is always a struggle. Grey went fine and then it was time for some white coat. It looks a bit better today after it dried a bit, but it won't be a competition model at all. There are some small bits I would have to fix with brush and hold my breath for some red coat.

Interestingly, this model was a bit of a struggle for me. It is the first kit I'm building after eight years of absence, so mistakes were inevitable. I'm not quite happy how the wings look (dihedral seems wrong, but looking at some photos of other finished F100s, they all seem to have the same problem).

Anyway, I'll finish it. I might even like it in a few months time and try to do better with DC-9 (in old JAT colors, my next kit to be built).
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Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:10 am

Hi guys,

well I haven't done much modelling this weekend,
I just bought Silent Hunter III and that game kept me up a few nights!
Really fun! It's even possible to play it in German!

Altough I have seen the SAA A340-600 DVD!
That was interesting stuff too, they went down the entire plane in a maintenance scene, wich is very interesting, they filmed the gearbays with great detail.

I will proceed with the work next week!

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 15):
Well, usual stuff - PAINTING. I'm using a very basic airbrush and it is always a struggle

The best price/value airbrushes are those from Badger,
I use the model 150 with a standard small compressor.
It cost a bit, but the results are awesome!
expect around €350 for the complete config with compressor.

Also what white paint do you use?
I advice Humbrol 22 with a 75% 25% paint solvent mixture for airbrushing, gives the best results, also make sure the compressor provides decent pressure levels, and you won't have a problem!

Oh yes,
give the undercoat a few days to dry and apply it gently overlaying,
not too thick, or you might rip it of when taping of other surfaces.
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Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:46 pm

Hi Karel,
thanks for your advice

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 16):
expect around €350 for the complete config with compressor.

too much for me, I'm afraid  crying 

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 16):
Also what white paint do you use?

I love Humbrol colors, but this time I used Revell gloss white 04
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:49 pm

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 17):
Quoting SWISSER (Reply 16):
expect around €350 for the complete config with compressor.

too much for me, I'm afraid

Well, a Revell basic compressor gives you nice results as well. At least for larger surfaces.
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 17):
Revell gloss white 04

It sucks! it really does!

Quoting Thorben (Reply 18):
Well, a Revell basic compressor gives you nice results as well. At least for larger surfaces.

Off course, those are excellent as well and have the correct fitting and pressure!

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 17):
too much for me, I'm afraid

Indeed, it costs much, the badger 150 is around 180EUR I think...
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 19):
It sucks! it really does!

Somehow, I simply don't like Revell gloss colors but they are the easiest to be found here. There is only one shop that has some Humbrol. I like Revell satin colors, though.

Anyway, news flash is that I started removing masking tape and, in general, it doesn't look that bad. There is a small, really small line along panel lines on the upper fuselage that is somehow greyish (not white, but not the grey too), just like scratched so I might try to fix it with brush. Like I said before, it is not bad for someone who builds his first kit after eight years (yes, back in 1998). I am not completely satisfied with results (I never will be no matter how good model looks), but it is not all completely ruined as I thought. I overreacted with that post, probably because I was too exposed to compressed gas  smile  . So, it just doesn't satisfy my expectations.....

Now, I need to hold my breath and spray that red on tail......  ouch 
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:57 am

Forgot to ask something. What colors you use for engines, guys? I experimented a bit with Humbrol Aluminium Flat and it doesn't look bad. I don't like silver on fan blades, so I wanted to try something different.
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:17 pm

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 21):
Forgot to ask something. What colors you use for engines, guys? I experimented a bit with Humbrol Aluminium Flat and it doesn't look bad. I don't like silver on fan blades, so I wanted to try something different.

53 humbrol is very nice!
My picture of the MD-11, the front part is plain 11 alu, and the aft part is a metal coat of humbrol you can buff up like a mirror!
very nice results with that!, they have numbers like 20027.

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 20):
it doesn't look that bad

I can't wait to see a picture of it!

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 20):
Now, I need to hold my breath and spray that red on tail......

one piece of advice,
take those packaging foils for preserving food and cover your plane up in that!
attach them with tape on the model.

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Photo © Johan Ljungdahl


also note that the red part of the tail on the SR F100 is not completely red till the fuselage! See the pic!
oh yes, and the tailplanes are red too!

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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:02 am

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 22):
I can't wait to see a picture of it!

The problem is that I don't have digital camera  Sad , but I'll figure it out how to make some photos. Or, if you visit Belgrade, you're welcome to see it yourself  Smile

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 22):
also note that the red part of the tail on the SR F100 is not completely red till the fuselage! See the pic!
oh yes, and the tailplanes are red too!

I've noticed it before. Currently, I'm looking at few photos of finished models of Fokker 100 in SR livery and it seems that both had their problems (add my as third and you can have a complete chaos Big grin ). There is a model that is finished nicely, but the guy didn't paint the tail correctly (it is red till the fuselage) and he put the decals on engines a bit too high. The second modeller did it better (it's a photo taken at Telford and posted at DrawDecal's site), but painted the frame of cockpit windows silver which is COMPLETELY wrong. My problem is to find dark brown that would be good enough for the engines. Any ideas?

Thank you for posting this photo of real plane. It is exactly what I was looking for (funny, I downloaded almost two dozens of SR F100 pics and haven't noticed this one).

Right now, I'm taking a short brake and will return to the model tomorrow.

So, after a short hijack of your thread  ashamed  , give us news about that Airbus beast you're building.
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:11 am

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 23):
The problem is that I don't have digital camera , but I'll figure it out how to make some photos. Or, if you visit Belgrade, you're welcome to see it yourself

I would love to visit your country ones!
BTW. I heard something on the news today about a referendum??

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 23):
My problem is to find dark brown that would be good enough for the engines. Any ideas?

Well, I looked it up in my modelling brain and strangly I could not find a solution right away in gloss...
I have to look in my paint rack!
I would defenitly paint it myself too!
Maybe a matt humbrol with a varnish?

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 23):
(it's a photo taken at Telford and posted at DrawDecal's site),

this one below I guess?
(Must be a Belgian! EBA and Sabena! damn that Sabena has a crappy cockpit! mine is better!And he forgot the marsupilami beast that was there in 1996, the olympic team logo was also placed in '96... a fault!)
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/131/hpim16592km.jpg
Yeah the cockpit is difficult, I would fill it up, and paint windows.
http://www.drawdecal.com/telford/144%20F100%20Swissair.jpg

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 23):
So, after a short hijack of your thread

Oh no, defenitly not!
talking about models is one of the things I most like to do!
It would get a bit boring here about one sole A346  

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 23):
give us news about that Airbus beast you're building.

Well, nothing further actually!
I have a day of tommorow, so that will be model day!
Maybe even tonight, some puttyplacing is never a time loss!

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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:52 am

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 24):
this one below I guess?

Yes, that's the one. The photos of other model I found on Google.

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 24):
I heard something on the news today about a referendum??

Well, seems we'll have new borders. Montenegro seeks independence and the good chances are that they will win it in the referendum. In real life, it won't make much of a difference because there is some kind of border crossing between Serbia and Montenegro, there are two different currencies (Dinar in Serbia and Euro in Montenegro) so it is probably the best to keep it official. As of aviation, I guess that might mean less Fokker 100s landing at BEG  frown 

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 24):
Maybe a matt humbrol with a varnish?

It's most likely. I did look for exact Revell color that was mentioned in instructions, but nobody has it. I have some kind of brown which is too light for that, so I might even mix it with black until I get something close enough.

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 24):
Yeah the cockpit is difficult, I would fill it up, and paint windows

I'll keep it clear. Windows are really nicely molded and clear piece of cockpit will be easy to be brushed. I will put some Clear Fix on cabin windows and it will look good enough. Pitty Airfix made such bad cabin windows both for DC-9 and 737-200. I already filled them on DC-9. The only problem that the modeler there did with that Fokker is that he used completely wrong color. With just a glance at real plane pics, even the ones in the box, he would realize there is not a trace of silver in that area.

That Sabena model looks great.  bigthumbsup  I've seen it yesterday. You said those are Braz engines, but it seems that you modified nose gear doors as well. They look better on your model and those tyres reminded me of my mistake #1005 the other day. I forgot to mask them, and now they are white.

Not to forget. Where did you get those vehicles?
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Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:31 pm

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 25):
I have some kind of brown which is too light for that, so I might even mix it with black until I get something close enough.

use orange and blue for that!
black will make it more grey instead of deeper brown.

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 25):
but it seems that you modified nose gear doors as well.

Yes they where part of a PLATZ 737 set.

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 25):
Not to forget. Where did you get those vehicles?

N scale vehicles for a model railroad!
It's scale 1/160, so very close!
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Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:30 am

I' am very happy right now!
I just was able to get 4 of these decals:
http://www.airlinercafe.com/img/kit_decal_img/521496695780.jpg
So I finally can finish off my SN fleet collection!
I was looking those for a few years now!
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Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:25 am

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 27):

Glad to hear that. The problem is that I can't see the photo  Sad Something's wrong with the link.

After I finish this Fokker (unless the little one finishes me), I'll build my first JAT plane and it will be in good-old colors (never felt anything for the new livery). Unfortunately, there are still no available decals for three planes I'd love to build (727-200, 707 and Caravelle) and I can only hope that some of the producers will make some in the future as well as some billboard decals as well.

Interestingly, there are so many interesting liveries for models. I am quite confused why nobody made any decals for Royal Jordanian fleet for example (A310 or even A321 would look great with their colors on).

PS, I found another stupid mistake I made but didn't notice . So, it is just my 1200th on a single model, but who's counting Big grin
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Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:06 pm

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 28):
Glad to hear that. The problem is that I can't see the photo Something's wrong with the link.

Yep, just seen it, damn airlinercafé!
Here they are from Danny's website, I guess the most famous Belgian modeller! (Daco products)





Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 28):
After I finish this Fokker (unless the little one finishes me), I'll build my first JAT plane and it will be in good-old colors (never felt anything for the new livery). Unfortunately, there are still no available decals for three planes I'd love to build (727-200, 707 and Caravelle) and I can only hope that some of the producers will make some in the future as well as some billboard decals as well.

Maybe check this one out, could work on 727;
http://www.aviationmegastore.com/?sh...ion=prodinfo&parent_id=0&art=23655
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Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:25 pm

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 29):
Here they are from Danny's website, I guess the most famous Belgian modeller!

No, he is a world-famous modeller. I just love his decals in Revell kits. I recently bought A319 and it is amazing what he has done there! A lot of good things are said about his B-737-300/400/500 kits, too.

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 29):
Maybe check this one out, could work on 727

No, it can't work. You probably have Aviagraphics decals in mind. I discussed it with a US modeller about a year ago. There's nothing for 727 except tail logo (in late 1980s the same templates were used for DC-9s and 727s; check out the photos) but titles are completely different than the ones on Aviagraphics decals for 737-300. 707 is worse because of slightly unusual tail logo.....And Caravelle  cry  Anyway, I visited that website yesterday and all I can say is I'm glad it's far away for me. I would feel like a kid in a candy store there  eyepopping  There is a decal producer listed there that surprised me (forgot the name, but they produce decals for Malev 737 Classics). Never heard of them before.
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Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:29 pm

Those Sabena decals are really nice. I also like their older livery with that light blue billboard title (the same as the ones on your 737 model).
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:55 am

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 31):
Those Sabena decals are really nice. I also like their older livery with that light blue billboard title (the same as the ones on your 737 model).

Me too, I was one of the few (together with you!) who liked it more then the new!
I also liked the 80's blue a lot,

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BTW, look at that!,

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That's a coincidence!Never knew that!
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Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 32):
BTW, look at that!,

You mean OO-SLA? Yes, she spent some time in JAT fleet and my aunt flew to Singapore on it and had a very rough landing in KUL. Back then, JAT did lease DC-10s especially in summer months. Another plane that was leased for a longer period of time was TU-TAL that crashed many years later.

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 32):
I also liked the 80's blue a lot

That looked nice, too. I've seen many 737s in that livery in Athens in 1990. There is also a nice decal set for a very classic Sabena livery at F-DCAL. That 727-100 looks really nice but the problem is to get a decent kit to build, first.
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Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 33):
There is also a nice decal set for a very classic Sabena livery at F-DCAL.

I have some custom ones from danny for the Belgian market!
both DC-10 and 737's.

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 33):
That 727-100 looks really nice but the problem is to get a decent kit to build, first.

I believe there is a very decent kit of that one, a very good,
http://www.authentic-airliners.de/kits.html
costly, but hey, that's quality!

Also this is an excellent manufacterer, I haven't ordered yet, but I guess very soon!
http://www.nazca-decals.com/
BTW, check this out!
http://www.nazca-decals.com/html/previews.htm

BTW,
You're on my RR list Alex, a fellow modeller is rare here at A.net + you're a great guy! Thorben too BTW, I always forget that RR thing!

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Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:47 pm

That 727 is really awesome!
http://www.authentic-airliners.de/Resources/galler28.gif
Yes, this is a model!
I think it's comparable with DACO 737's.
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Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:51 pm

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 34):
I believe there is a very decent kit of that one, a very good,
http://www.authentic-airliners.de/kits.html
costly, but hey, that's quality!

It certainly is quality. I completely forgot that he also made 727-100 and had ancient Airfix kit in mind. He really does amazing things and seems like a really modest guy. In the list that I've suggested there were several new models that everybody liked. Danny's 737s, Revell An-124 (huge kit and amazingly detailed). Minicraft DC-8 and Authentic Models 727. Now, if only that 727 is a bit cheaper but one can't have both the quality and affordable price. I do hope he'll use those molds to make some injection-molded kits in the future.

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 34):
Also this is an excellent manufacterer

Yes, I've seen it several times and those decals are great. Lots of details like Danny's decals and very interesting liveries as well (Kingfisher looks great). The same guy also produces Dash 8s and is working on Saab 2000.

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 34):
BTW,
You're on my RR list Alex, a fellow modeller is rare here at A.net + you're a great guy!

Well, thanks  blush  Check out your profile  wink 

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 34):
Thorben too BTW

Where's Thorben these days?
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Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:43 pm

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 36):
Where's Thorben these days?

I'm working on a paper for the university, it has do be done no later than April 3rd. It's really annoying, a lot of things don't work out the way I want them to, it's just a lot of stress. I don't have time to work on my models, I look up this thread almost daily, but I don't have much time.

Sorry to annoy you with this guys. The paper is the last thing I'll have to do for the university - if I pass. If I fail I'll get a second and last chance. I don't think I will fail, because I haven't failed anything for a long time, but as I said, some things just don't work out the way they should. I'm really having a hard time.  frown 
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:37 am

Good luck with that Thorben!
I was guessing you where getting kinda busy with it.
It's top priority, so don't spend to much time here then  Wink

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 36):
He really does amazing things

It's very nice indeed!
I don't have any 727 plans, otherwise I ordered one from him right away.
I think his high price is due to the very detailed molds of the model, as you know a model mold costs many bucks!
I was told from Danny his 737 molds go in a couple of thousand €'s!

Since 727 is not that popular anymore to sell it widely, he had to raise the price of the kit.
But still, if I build a 727 once, he is the guy I would get my model from!
I'd like to spend money for something very decent!

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 36):
Well, thanks Check out your profile

seen it! I' am honored!
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:54 am

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 38):
I think his high price is due to the very detailed molds of the model

I believe it is because it is resin kit and because of all the details. It seems that Welsh Models will also build only resin kits in the future.

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 38):
Since 727 is not that popular anymore to sell it widely

Hey, don't insult the great lady of the skies  box   wink  Minicraft also released injection-molded 727-200 recently (about a year ago), but it seems like a kit with some problems, although it is an improvement over Airfix kit. Good thing about 727s is that there are so many liveries for it. As for its popularity, I guess modellers will buy it (just like they are buying that DC-8 kits these days), but manufacturers still need to sell more than this small community will buy and I guess every kid in the supermarket would prefer A320 that took him to summer vacation than some old 727.

Personally, I'd love to build at least couple of dozens of 727s  biggrin  (JAT, Iberia, Pan Am, Iraqi Airways that used to look awesome, THY o/c, etc.)

Quoting Thorben (Reply 37):
I'm working on a paper for the university, it has do be done no later than April 3rd

OK, then, you're excused Big grin Now, if you only have a minute or two, what color did you use for the wings on Lufthansa A321?
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:42 pm

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 39):
Hey, don't insult the great lady of the skies

Off course not! It still is one of the most beautiful aircrafts around!
I like them very much! But the sad thing is that off course in the real world, not many traditional airlines are still using it...so the average Joe forgets them.
And still, this is a niche model kit.
But nevertheless, it's an honor having it!

I have flown 1 time on a 727-200, a UA new colorsheme from DCA to MIA in 1995, and it was great, and BTW, I came back to IAD on a 747SP,Unbelievable!

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 39):
Personally, I'd love to build at least couple of dozens of 727s (JAT, Iberia, Pan Am, Iraqi Airways that used to look awesome, THY o/c, etc.)

great livery's!
I remember IB 727's in Tenerife, awesome sight!
Man I' am getting old, that was already more then 10 years ago!

Anyway, you convinced me!
I' am getting interested in a 727 FEDEX freighter with hush kit!
If I can find a decent decal somewhere, I might order a model from Kurt!

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 39):
I guess every kid in the supermarket would prefer A320 that took him to summer vacation than some old 727.

Yep, your right, that's the popularity factor.
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:48 pm

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 39):
OK, then, you're excused Now, if you only have a minute or two, what color did you use for the wings on Lufthansa A321?

That was five years ago, I remember I did it the way the instructions said (I don't have them anymore). I think the main wings are light grey (Revell 371) on the upper side and medium grey (Revell 374) on the lower side, same as the bottom of the fuselage and the engines. I think in reality the upper side is rather white.

The tail wings are simply all light grey (Revell 371). But I think in reality their upper side might be more white than grey as well.

Look for yourself and tell me what you think:

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Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:13 am

LH A32S is white on the upper part of both wings and tailplanes and LH-grey on the underside of the wings.
The tailplanes are also white on the underside.

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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:50 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 41):



Quoting SWISSER (Reply 42):

Thank you for your replies, guys  bigthumbsup 

I apologize for not writing sooner, but yesterday was a busy day when I bought new desktop for PC, carried it by myself to my place (and it is about 35 kg of metal and wood) and tried to figure out where every part should go. Now, I'm sitting in complete mess and every muscle and bone hurts me like hell.

I looked at many photos of the upper side and it led me to no conclusion at all. It is definitely not all white although every pic I've found so far looks different (on some it looks white on others not). If it was a model of 737, 747-400, even A310-300, I would go for white without thinking twice, but in this case....As for Revell 371, it might be close enough, but it might be a bit too dark. Decisions, decisions  hissyfit  Good thing is that this kit can wait a bit.

So, Karel, any news of your SAA bird?
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Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:43 am

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 43):
It is definitely not all white

I can ask a painting label of LH at Sabena technics across my company,
I' am very sure it's white in standard.
It is also best to fix you to a particular aircraft(D-AIRT for instance!) and follow that ones features,
A.net is perfect for it!

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 43):
any news of your SAA bird?

Not from the SAA,

But I painted some S-tails for preperation of SN decals (ARJ85/A319/A320/A321/A332), I still need to build an A333, A342(instead of the planned SA A342, it will be a SN),A343(instead of the Air Mauritius a SN), and putty them, so I will do all that tuesday, the A340-600 will be done the same with these models!
So expect a decent A346 update tuesday!

I' am currently too tired from work to start work like glueing/filling etc.
I think I will make faults and that is not something I want, certainly not on my prototype A346!
Anyway, an A333 GE is being build too tuesday, so all the engines can be assembled then with slight modifications for the A346's RR's.

Lately I feel more like Sabena technics in scale 1/144;

this is what's currently on the desk,
Bae
AR85 SN/final sheme
pending;
AR10 SN/75 years SN
AR10 SN/final sheme
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Airbus Industrie
A319 SN
A320 SN
A321 SN
A332 SN/final sheme
A346 SA
pending;
A333 SN/final sheme
A342 SN " "
A343 SN " "
A380 in company colors for a colleugue
A380 in company colors for a colleugue
A380 in company colors for me!
maintenance;
A330 SN Brussels from a friend/recieveing new decals/paint tailplanes and engines.
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Boeing company
B772 CO Peter Max
B772 UA/new sheme
B744 SQ
B734 SLR 80's sheme
B732 SN
B764 CO
pending;
some 737 classics!
ordered;
B727 FEDEX Kurt's models/ready in may 2006.
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McDonell Douglas
MD-11 SR/final sheme
MD-80 CO for A.net member:FutureUApilot
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DC-10-30 SN/80's sheme
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:16 am

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 44):
this is what's currently on the desk

 eyepopping  And I was complaining about F-100 (the only one at my desk with more soon to join in)

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 44):
I' am very sure it's white in standard.

You know, the photos I've seen only added some more confusion (as if I'm not confused enough already). Another contributor to my confussion is the paint suggestion from Revell. They say that the upper side of the wings is the mixture of 371 (95%) and 362 - greyish green (5%). Now, pics are telling me that wings are either white (just like you are saying) or close to white (371 + bit more white to it, or white with few drops of 371), but I don't see a trace of something greyish green. Anyway, I made up my mind and the A321 would definitely be D-AIRN "Keiserslautern" and not D-AIRY with mouse sticker.

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 44):
I can ask a painting label of LH at Sabena technics across my company

Well, that would be the best reference possible  bigthumbsup 

And finally, my plans for the future:
F-100 (to finish it Big grin)
DC-9-32 (JAT, need to find some details before I seriously devote myself to that one)
A321 (Lufthansa)
B-767-300ER (great plane, nice kit, fantastic decals and I still haven't decided would it be SAS or Gulf Traveller)
A310-300 (Air Jamaica)
B-737-200 (BA Landor)
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 45):
And finally, my plans for the future:

Nice models too!
I have a plan of a decent 763ER in full metal AA color too!
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:48 am

My current projects (delayed until April) are:

A343 Kuwait Airways
A343 South African
A343 Air Mauritius
A343 Gulf Air 50 years
A343 Turkish Airlines
A333 Thai old livery

But there are many more to come, some of them even non-Airbus.
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:03 am

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 45):
Well, that would be the best reference possible

Oh,no wait, we have a small LH technics too at the other side of BRU!
it was once Avipartner(my compnay) technics, so that will even be easier!
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RE: New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!

Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:37 pm

Maybe a little shot on the current state of the SN fleet!
When I see the picture it looks like the good old times!
You can see the ARJ85, A320, A321, A319 and the nose of the A332!
Still some work to do! But the hardest parts are over!
The effect of the flash on the blue is really cool! Just like the real guys did!
it is the same paint though on all models!
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