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What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Wed May 03, 2006 12:13 am

here are two screenshots from my latest Moscow-Copenhagen trip, and see what happened right after take-off. LOL
It kept saying TRAFFIC TRAFFIC, DESCEND DESCEND.


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Mir
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Wed May 03, 2006 1:04 am

FS ATC does not ensure separation.....hopefully this will be fixed with FSX.

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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Wed May 03, 2006 1:06 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):

I hope so too! lol
 
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Wed May 03, 2006 10:17 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
FS ATC does not ensure separation

That can be a pain in the neck when you are on final behind a Cessna and don't even know it. It has ended so many of my flights without even landing.

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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Wed May 03, 2006 10:46 am

I use AI seperation, which isn't perfect, but improves my chances of not being bumped on my final. I'm also not adverse to cheating, and deleting aircraft that I know is going to cause me problems. It would be a nice improvement to FS ATC.
 
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Wed May 03, 2006 8:49 pm

Quoting Spark (Reply 4):
use AI seperation, which isn't perfect, but improves my chances of not being bumped on my final. I'm also not adverse to cheating, and deleting aircraft that I know is going to cause me problems. It would be a nice improvement to FS ATC.

Wouldn't call that cheating since I do exactly the same!  Wink! More seriously you are cheating because of the weaknesses of flightsim's ATC so no harm done!

Also a thing that really p***** me off is the fact that ATC orders you to descend way too early! Meaning that usually you end up flying at 3000 feet for about 10 minutes! Highly unrealistic! I immensely share the pain of people living below the runway lol  Smile
 
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Wed May 03, 2006 9:06 pm

Quoting Spark (Reply 4):
Also a thing that really p***** me off is the fact that ATC orders you to descend way too early! Meaning that usually you end up flying at 3000 feet for about 10 minutes! Highly unrealistic!

To make matters worse, they don't do that till they've started your initial descent too late and start the "please expedite your descent" malarky!
 
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Wed May 03, 2006 11:43 pm

I simply don't enjoy FS ATC, I almost crashed my British Airways A319 one time that I was on approach on Belfast.

One time I was on a flight from MEX-DFW, and I don't know what happened and I didn't do anything, they routed me to MIA and I never got to my intended destination! A real bugger because I was flying under FS passengers and I lost about 500 points for diverting and for arriving late.
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Thu May 04, 2006 3:21 am

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/muemat26/closecall2.jpg



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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Thu May 04, 2006 4:43 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 8):

LOL! even "better" than my example Big grin
 
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Sat May 06, 2006 1:24 pm

Quoting Edelag (Reply 7):
I simply don't enjoy FS ATC, I almost crashed my British Airways A319 one time that I was on approach on Belfast

It did happen to me as well, but when I was flying BFI-SFO on an ER 727, and that was on finals. I crashed with what I believe was a US or NW 757, simply because ATC didn't keep separation between us.
 
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Mon May 08, 2006 12:41 am

1. Ignore FS ATC if it annoys you. They won´t kick your IFR flightplan unless you don´t answer them.

2. Disable crashes. All the invisible potholes, AI aircraft being pushed without any clearance, guidance and reason, and mid-air collisions make FS flying a real pain in the APU.

3. For more realism, buy Radar Contact 4. It isn´t perfect, but it is a LOT better than MS ATC.

4. For the most realism, fly online.

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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Mon May 08, 2006 3:51 am

Thats right, their is no comparison between fs ATC and the very realistic VATSIM.

www.vatsim.net
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Mon May 08, 2006 4:17 am

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 11):
Ignore FS ATC if it annoys you. They won´t kick your IFR flightplan unless you don´t answer them.

Or if you're using paywares such as the LDS 767 or PMDG, fly online or don't fly with FS ATC at all.
 
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Mon May 08, 2006 4:43 am

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 11):
1. Ignore FS ATC if it annoys you. They won´t kick your IFR flightplan unless you don´t answer them.

Great advice - I been doing that for as long as I can remember!

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 11):
a real pain in the APU.

 rotfl   rotfl 

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 11):
4. For the most realism, fly online.

Flying online is good, but on the flipside, you dont get the full amount of traffic around you which to me, takes away a huge element of the fun and realism.

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 3):
It has ended so many of my flights without even landing.

Couldn't you just execute a go-around?

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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Mon May 08, 2006 5:10 am

Quoting GEEZ (Reply 14):
Flying online is good, but on the flipside, you dont get the full amount of traffic around you which to me, takes away a huge element of the fun and realism.

I agree. I used to fly online when I was involved in a VA and some areas were fun to fly in (like around New York) but when I flew my northern routes out of ORD to places like MSP and Green Bay, it was a ghost town up there and was really boring when flying.
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Mon May 08, 2006 10:58 am

Quoting GEEZ (Reply 14):
Couldn't you just execute a go-around?

Not if you're in an ATR and an AI MD80 comes from behind you and literally passes THROUGH your plane as you're on short final.  Wink

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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Mon May 08, 2006 10:18 pm

FS ATC is just plain stupid.
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Tue May 09, 2006 9:20 am

Quoting Cactushp (Reply 12):
Thats right, their is no comparison between fs ATC and the very realistic VATSIM.

Yes! Come visit me on Minneapolis Center sometime  Smile
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Tue May 09, 2006 11:15 pm

Quoting GEEZ (Reply 14):
Flying online is good, but on the flipside, you dont get the full amount of traffic around you which to me, takes away a huge element of the fun and realism.

Oh I dunno  Wink http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/A3204eva/ccoverload2.jpg

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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Wed May 10, 2006 1:18 pm

I wish my CTR was like that, i have 1 traffic a day
 
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Wed May 10, 2006 4:01 pm

how do I get started with online fs atc?
 
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Wed May 10, 2006 11:32 pm

www.vatsim.net and register as a new pilot (or new vATCO if you wish [I do both so best of both worlds Big grin]).

After you've registered go to the downloads section and get Squawkbox 3 and also Servinfo which will show you all the online ATC and pilots that are currently connected.

Before connecting make sure you read the pilot resources as we follow real world procedures and are nothing like the default FS ATC.

NEVER CONNECT ON AN ACTIVE RWY AND MAKE SURE YOU FILE CORRECT FLIGHTPLANS WITH SIDS/STARS/WAYPOINTS/AIRWAYS WHERE APPLICABLE

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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Thu May 11, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting A3204eva (Reply 22):

thanks! I'll try  Smile
 
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Thu May 11, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting A3204eva (Reply 22):

Presumably pausing a flight when visitors appear or when you need to go shopping is a big no-no, as well.  Smile
 
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Thu May 11, 2006 2:53 am

Quoting David L (Reply 24):
Presumably pausing a flight when visitors appear or when you need to go shopping is a big no-no, as well.

LOL! Big grin
 
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Thu May 11, 2006 6:45 am

Depends if there's ATC on.. if so, expect a SUP to kick you very shortly after Big grin

Another coulple of things to note...

Always have charts - they're freely available
Don't fly at EGLL VFR 8-) (you wouldn't believe the number of pilots who attempt VFR in class A)

You'll hear the word "n00b" being used a lot on vatsim too Big grin
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Thu May 11, 2006 10:16 am

Quoting A3204eva (Reply 26):
You'll hear the word "n00b" being used a lot on vatsim too

And they just stopped calling me that on Xbox live! Big grin

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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Thu May 11, 2006 3:36 pm

Quoting A3204eva (Reply 26):

Always have charts - they're freely available
Don't fly at EGLL VFR 8-) (you wouldn't believe the number of pilots who attempt VFR in class A)

You'll hear the word "n00b" being used a lot on vatsim too



Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 27):

And they just stopped calling me that on Xbox live!

hehehehe!! Big grin Anyway I downloaded squawkbox 3 and signed up for vatsim. I started fs, then started squawkbox, tuned the frequency in the aircraft for the ATC nearest my location, but I was only able to hear atc and other aircraft communicating with each other. They were not able to hear me, and I know that my mike works. I was also able to write text messages with atc through squawkbox. Does anyone know what I need to do?
 
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Fri May 12, 2006 2:07 am

Have you setup/checked your mic in the Sb3 settings? There should be an option to test it and change the inputs  Smile
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Sat May 13, 2006 5:25 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 28):
They were not able to hear me, and I know that my mike works. I was also able to write text messages with atc through squawkbox. Does anyone know what I need to do?

I assume that you made sure you were holding down the correct key, while talking, as well??

The only reason I say this is I just tried to start talking, without holding down the mic key, and, alas, it didn't work.  Smile I think it defaults to Scroll Lock, but you can change it to whatever you want it to be, in the Squawkbox settings, I believe under the Voice tab.

Cheers,
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PS Enjoy VATSIM! Once you start, you feel stupid for not having started earlier.  Wink
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Sat May 13, 2006 5:36 am

Quoting A3204eva (Reply 29):
Have you setup/checked your mic in the Sb3 settings? There should be an option to test it and change the inputs

yes  Smile

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 30):
I assume that you made sure you were holding down the correct key, while talking, as well??

ah that might be the answer Big grin I will try pressing down scroll lock. Thankyou very very much!!  Smile
 
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Sat May 13, 2006 6:13 am

Quoting Edelag (Reply 7):
One time I was on a flight from MEX-DFW, and I don't know what happened and I didn't do anything, they routed me to MIA and I never got to my intended destination!

That happened to me! I was flying ALB-BWI with a WN 737-700, and the ATC routed way past BWI, I was on a track for SJU!!!
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Sat May 13, 2006 10:29 am

Is there a good guide for setting up all the needed software to fly online. It has been so long since I have flown online that I have forgotten how to do it. I would not mind doing it every once in a while.
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Sat May 13, 2006 1:27 pm

The VATSIM PRC is a great resource for everything vatsim, including training, charts, and flying with atc.
Weekly event such as TGIF and ARTCC sponsored events lead to very realistic traffic levels.
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RE: What's Wrong With FS ATC?

Mon May 15, 2006 5:09 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 31):
ah that might be the answer I will try pressing down scroll lock. Thankyou very very much!!

Not a problem! Us noobies gotta stick together.  Wink  Smile I hope that fixed it!! Let me know!

Cheers,
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