krisyyz
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Anyone Buy Wilco's B777 Yet?

Tue May 23, 2006 11:06 pm

I've been waiting for a good B777 add-on for a while now. I previously owned PSS's B777 for FS2002 and loved it, but PSS recent B777 has drawn numerous complaints and seems to be below grade when it comes to professional add-ons.

As anyone tried Wilco's B777. I know its not a "professional" level sim and a lot of systems are not simulated. How is the flight deck, wingviews, external model?

KrisYYZ
 
BA777
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RE: Anyone Buy Wilco's B777 Yet?

Wed May 24, 2006 6:46 pm

PSS have a much higher level of complexity with their new 777 product, its miles ahead of the Wilco competition in terms of both systems and visuals etc. However, neither visual model is good enough for me so I found a merge to get the PSS panel working with the MelJet model...and I've never looked back.

I pre-ordered the PSS, knowing it was likely to be a bit buggy at first, but their recent patch has improved some of the issues in the panel and now I find it fun to fly...when i get the chance!

With Wilco, put a picture of their product side by side to a real 777 and the list of differences (even if only slight) will be very long indeed.

Henry
 
RobTrent
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RE: Anyone Buy Wilco's B777 Yet?

Wed May 24, 2006 8:26 pm

Hi
I purchased the download version. It is aimed at the less experienced simmer particularly with regards to some of the systems available, which is why I bought it.

I had been using meljet's 777 previously and thought I would try out the Wilco version as it seemed like a good next step for a relative newcomer to flight slimming like myself.

I had never programmed a FMC before and I found this a little daunting at first. I think the Wilco manual could be improved with regard to the FMC, as it appears to assume a level of knowledge which some novices may lack and this product is aimed at less experienced users according to Wilco.

Once I had figured out the basics of the FMC I found it relatively straightforward to programme a route etc. There does not appear to be any way to use the default gps in nav mode so you have to programme a route.

I am trying to learn more about Sids and Stars etc so that I can fully understand the route planning process.
The FMC does have some good features like programmable V speeds, climb rate etc and also altitude call-outs on approach.

Visually I think the model could do with a couple of changes, particularly the height of the undercarriage and the size of the GE90 engines which look out of scale and not as big as the GE90 777's I have seen in real life and in pictures.
These are small points but after using a meljet where the scale looks pretty good it is noticable to me.

I have enjoyed using it however, and I was very proud of my first FMC programmed tranatlantic Heathrow to Kennedy flight which was great including a perfect landing at JFK in my BA 777.
It does come with a load manager and a fuel planner however I am not sure these are working properly on my set up as I find the fuel required is a little under calculated but that could be something I have done - will post again if I resolve the issue.

All in all and despite the slight issues over the engine and undercarriage sizes I have enjoyed using it. I think it may be a little simplistic for those that like to have all the bells and whistles but as I said before to a relative newcommer like myself it fit's the bill and i now understand a little more about FMC's than I did before.

Regards
R

[Edited 2006-05-24 13:27:33]
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krisyyz
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RE: Anyone Buy Wilco's B777 Yet?

Wed May 24, 2006 9:50 pm

thanks you !!

I find it frustrating how wilco or PSS could but soo much work into the flight deck and systems and so little into the visual model. Meljet is the best B777 visual model out there right now but its almost 3 years old now with no real updates to its flight dynamics.

KrisYYZ
 
RobTrent
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RE: Anyone Buy Wilco's B777 Yet?

Thu May 25, 2006 2:03 am

I agree it would be great to have the meljet with the wilco/pss features.

regards
R
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Mir
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RE: Anyone Buy Wilco's B777 Yet?

Thu May 25, 2006 2:40 am

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 3):
I find it frustrating how wilco or PSS could but soo much work into the flight deck and systems and so little into the visual model.

Well, it's the panel you're paying for, isn't it?

Quoting RobTrent (Reply 4):
I agree it would be great to have the meljet with the wilco/pss features.

Do a search in this forum, SWISSER (I think) posted a thread about PSS/Meljet merges.

-Mir
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RobTrent
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RE: Anyone Buy Wilco's B777 Yet?

Thu May 25, 2006 3:01 am

Thank's Mir

I will check it out.

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R
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MarBergi
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RE: Anyone Buy Wilco's B777 Yet?

Thu May 25, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
Do a search in this forum, SWISSER (I think) posted a thread about PSS/Meljet merges.

Here's the link.

PSS 777 Merges With Meljet's -200ER -200LR -300ER

The PSS panel with the MelJet T7 is absolutley ace. I find the PSS panels more intuitive than the PMDG ones as you simply click on the required area to get the screen as opposed to PMDG who tend to stick to a menu bar. Alos if you don't download alot of liveries the PSS works out cheaper than the similiar PMDG products.
 
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RE: Anyone Buy Wilco's B777 Yet?

Thu May 25, 2006 5:33 am

Cheers for the link. I will give it a go  Smile

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R
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