mandargb
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How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:20 am

Mostly I use real world weather in FS 2004.
And then the winds are there which tend to push you from one side on take off roll.
Mostly I manually give the rudder input to keep center while thrust is on.
On attaining certain height switch to AP and then navigate.

Take-Off / Go Around mode does seem to work but it rotates much before reaching the takeoff speed and then stalls. (On most of the aircraft)

Does anybody know how to do a proper takeoff.
(I have been unsuccessful in most posky and ifdg aricrafts)
 
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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:19 am

Quoting Mandargb (Thread starter):
posky

Forget that crap, did the same like you and got pissed again and again over the Posky 744 767 etc. so I decided to go with PMDG wich totally terminates the Posky model and theres also LDS, and then you can set rudder trim for Crosswind T/O and TO/GA works FMC everything you could possibly imagine Big grin but dont forget its Payware!

And yes i will get flamed because Posky is only freeware bla. bla. bla. f**k Posky.

heres the links

www.precisionmanuals.com
www.leveldsim.com
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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:36 am

That's strange because I can hold Opensky plane on the centerline in FS better than I can hold a real one on a real runway? Before you go knocking someone, shouldn't you at least consider your flying skills?
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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:57 am

Quoting EclipseFlight7 (Reply 2):
That's strange because I can hold Opensky plane on the centerline in FS better than I can hold a real one on a real runway?

Which planes and what FDE version? The v9 FDEs are horrible.
 
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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:33 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3):
Which planes and what FDE version? The v9 FDEs are horrible.

Agreed, those are terrible.

Remember when posky came out with their 737NG? They had that turning problem, and were completely unbearable to fly. People complained about it on the forums, and Warren came out with his "EZ version". Not only did it have a completely insulting name, but it really didn't make any difference. Whenever people started asking serious questions on the forums, Warren would just lock the thread. This seriously pissed me off, so I went to PMDG and never looked back.

BTW, Warren's assertion that the normal 737 FDE handled "realistically" was utter shite. The PMDG model is completely different.

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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:57 pm

Quoting AC773 (Reply 4):
Whenever people started asking serious questions on the forums, Warren would just lock the thread.

He only listens to FDE complaints when they are real life pilots, but IMO, he still rejects them in some way.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 4):
Warren's assertion that the normal 737 FDE handled "realistically" was utter shite. The PMDG model is completely different.

Warren bases his experiences by having spent some time in a Level-D Simulator.

That being said, there was recently a review of the Level-D 767, where a real life pilot said that this was the most accurate rendition of the 767-300 he's ever seen for FS, and the LDS 767 isn't as sluggish as the POSKY model (which BTW has very poorly made PW engines). The only POSKY model I'm flying is the 757 (which BTW lacks wingflex!), but only with an FDE I found on AVSIM, which was a modded Warren FDE and got pulled because of that copyright violation.

Once I went Level-D, I never looked back, and I'll patiently wait for their 757 as well.  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:34 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
Warren bases his experiences by having spent some time in a Level-D Simulator.

And the senior developer at PMDG bases his software on 17 years in the airline industry, many of those as a captain. There's a world of difference between enthusiasts and professionals.

BTW I agree with you on the LDS 767; that's a fine piece of software.  drool 
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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting AC773 (Reply 4):
This seriously pissed me off, so I went to PMDG and never looked back.

Finally! someone that seems to understand my point ov view, over posky and that mofo of Warren with his piece of shit Posky 737NG... I can understand its a freeware etc. but the Posky FDE`s in general are pure shit. I remember having problems with the Posky 744 when rotating 75,000 under the MTOW weight the plane still needed 11,000 ft of RWY, and only rotated at 220kts...

BTW the 744´s maximum tyre speed is 175kts...

Longlive PMDG and LDS  Silly

AC773 welcome to my respected users list! Big grin

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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 7):
Finally! someone that seems to understand my point ov view, over posky and that mofo of Warren with his piece of shit Posky 737NG

Make that three of us. Bottom line is, as long as he (Warren) does FDEs, then it's hopeless that any POSKY release will be decent. At least the FDEs he makes for CLS (at least the A345/6 FDEs) aren't as bad as the POSKY ones (maybe he knows that if he doesn't deliver, then they won't earn enough money).
 
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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:39 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 8):
Make that three of us

Welcome to the Club Homie  Silly

Heres some of Warrens things that he states in the Posky forum:

Read the Ops Manual FAQ section on
why and how I designed the FDE based on
2 airline FAA simulators. Also see the
FAQ section for an explaination of the 737EZ
FDE.

In an effort to streamline the FDE forum, and cut down
on the "this is right, this is wrong" chatter, I am implementing
a new process.

Posts about what other groups do, or what's "right or wrong" will promptly
be removed if no specific airframe manufacturer documentation is presented.

Continued violation will result in your account being deleted.



This idiot really insists that doing a 737 full simulator lesson twice, will give him a "feel" of how a 73G should turn?

What a prick...

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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:08 pm

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 9):
This idiot really insists that doing a 737 full simulator lesson twice, will give him a "feel" of how a 73G should turn?

If he wants to know that in depth, he should fly the real thing. The experience in a simulator is much more different than in the real thing, or at least that's the impression I have.

Try to turn the POSKY 767 in flight with the "Feel-Real"-FDE. You turn and you have to deflect the ailerons and the spoilers of one wing fully (e.g. full deflection of the right inboard and outboard aileron plus full deflection of the spoilers in their role of assisting the turn) to get a reaction when doing the input in the control collumn. You have to keep the ailerons deflected at all times so you can maintain your bank angle.

On the real thing, the ailerons deflect just a bit (and depending on the speed, the spoilers help out a bit) when initiating and terminating the turn, but during the turn and when in level flight, the ailerons don't move much, just the usual small up and down movement to keep the plane stabilised.
 
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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:18 pm

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 7):
AC773 welcome to my respected users list!

Why, thank you!  biggrin 

Speaking of posky, I was browsing their forums yesterday to see if people are still posting about the 737 roll problem. They sure are, and one thread caught my eye.

Someone had actually deleted their PMDG software in favor of posky. They were all happy about it, but they still wanted to know why the 737 was so stiff to turn. Haven't these people ever heard of "You get what you pay for"?  banghead 

And finally, let me welcome Qantas744ER and LTU932 to my RU list for seeing the light of day.  bigthumbsup 

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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:22 pm

Quoting AC773 (Reply 11):
Someone had actually deleted their PMDG software in favor of posky.

Whoever that was, he either was a fanboi or a total jackass. Why delete superior software and replace it with something that not only has flaws in the modelling, but also has probably the worst FDE in the history of Microsoft Flight Simulator.  Confused

Quoting AC773 (Reply 11):
Haven't these people ever heard of "You get what you pay for"?

Who knows, they might as well have wasted their money in the end.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 11):
And finally, let me welcome Qantas744ER and LTU932 to my RU list for seeing the light of day.

Philip and Leo, I also welcome you both to my Respected User's list.  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:06 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
Who knows, they might as well have wasted their money in the end.

Yeah it can sure be frustrating at the beginning with the FMC etc. but giving it up.... no way would I give up a PMDG for a shit Posky plane.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
Philip and Leo, I also welcome you both to my Respected User's list.   



Quoting AC773 (Reply 11):
Why, thank you!   

Hell Yeah Big grin

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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:01 pm

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 7):
BTW the 744´s maximum tyre speed is 175kts...

I hate to be a thorn, but.....no. I'd check your facts on that one.

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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:36 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 14):
I hate to be a thorn, but.....no. I'd check your facts on that one.

Wierd,I ijust got that out of my Flug Revue Magazine... it comes out every month since 1969... so its an error. But anyways no way will the V1, or Vr exeed 170kts. I just tried an MTOW takeoff in my PMDG 744 in SYD on RWY 16R with real weather. And the V1 speed was 153 and Vr was 166.

And on the Posky, the trimming causes Tailstrikes on Takeoff.

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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:37 pm

Hey, the boeing manual states 235 Mph and that is 204 kts.. so the magazine had a typo..

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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:01 am

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 16):
boeing manual states 235 Mph and that is 204 kts

 checkmark  It's in the PMDG manual too - Section 4, page 12.

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 15):
But anyways no way will the V1, or Vr exeed 170kts. I just tried an MTOW takeoff in my PMDG 744 in SYD on RWY 16R with real weather. And the V1 speed was 153 and Vr was 166.

That may be, but remember that that is airspeed and the tire limit is groundspeed. SYD is at sea level, so the two are for all practical purposes the same, if one disregards wind. If one is taking off in DEN at MTOW, you'll find that you'll be leaving the runway at a lot more than 170kts in relation to the ground (which is what the tires care about - one of the very few things on a plane that do). In fact, at any altitudes above 6,000MSL, takeoff weight is subject to restrictions because of the tire speed limitation.

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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:29 am

I just read this thread and took a look over at POSKY. I swear by my PMDG and LDS, so I have never had any need to use the POSKY software.

Just by reading the FDE forum, it's clear there are some issues that need to be sorted.

I have honestly never seems so many locked threads, it seems any small amount of criticism is just given the 'We're correct, if you don't like it go elsewhere' response. Clearly as POSKY is a freeware producer then there isn't much you can do about this, however I very much hope CLS customers are treated better! Also claiming to to be a 'Flight Dynamics Specialist' with just a few hours in a Level D Sim is maybe pushing it!  silly 

And as for the guy swapping his PMDG for POSKY.... Is he crazy?! Big grin

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RE: How To Keep Centerline On TakeOff

Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting Gofly (Reply 18):
And as for the guy swapping his PMDG for POSKY.... Is he crazy?! 

Not only crazy, he just cant possibly be from this planet, thats for sure  Silly

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