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FSX - Which Graphics Card Should I Choose?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:25 pm

I just bought FSX and I get around 7fps.

These are my specs:
3,2 ghz pentium 4 processor
2gb ddr ram
256 mb ATI Radeon X600 graphicscard

This makes me think that its the graphicscards fault that I am not getting better fps.

Which one do you think is really good for FSX both compared to the price but also in pure performance?

thanks!

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Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:37 pm

I don't really think it's worth downloading the demo on my Celeron 1.7GHz / 64MB nVidia / 1024MB SDRAM now.
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RE: FSX - Which Graphics Card Should I Choose?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:40 pm

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 1):
I don't really think it's worth downloading the demo on my Celeron 1.7GHz / 64MB nVidia / 1024MB SDRAM now.

I know.. you shouldn't Big grin
 
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Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:18 pm

After seeing my computer get owned in the demo, I think its time for a new computer.

I was told by some computer guys on my dorm floor to wait until the nVIDIA GeForce 8000 series come to the market; they will be DX10 native and better able to run FSX.
 
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Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting N231YE (Reply 3):
I was told by some computer guys on my dorm floor to wait until the nVIDIA GeForce 8000 series come to the market; they will be DX10 native and better able to run FSX

Thanks for the tip! Do you know when it'll be out? Not that I can afford any new graphicscard at the moment though  Sad
 
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Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 4):
Thanks for the tip! Do you know when it'll be out? Not that I can afford any new graphicscard at the moment though

According to Wikipedia, sometime in November:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_8_Series

http://img.pconline.com.cn/images/bbs4/20069/29/1159518267645.jpg
Notice the Hybrid Water/Air cooled GPU

But be warned, a brand new state-of-the-art card will burn a hole in your pocket!

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Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:03 am

I have a brand new HP Pavilion d4600y computer with 2056 MB of RAM, and with the default 256 NVIDIA that came with it, I was getting about 30-50 fps. I upgraded to an ATI X1600 Pro PCI Express 512 MB, and I'm getting about 50-70 fps now, on FS9.

Hopefully, this will be able to handle FSX!

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Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:06 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 4):
Thanks for the tip! Do you know when it'll be out?

November 28th 2006 in the US, Europe should be 6-7 days later for marketing reasons. I wouldnt be so keen on the 8000th series.. yes it will be the first DX10 availabe card, but my mom´s best friend works for a PC magazine
and he already got to test one of the first prototypes and Nvidia is having some trouble with their new drivers once again... like always.

I would wait for ATI for their DX10 card, cause ATI do tend to take a little longer but always have better cards.

And dont think im PRO ATI cause i have Dual Nvidia 6800 cards with 256Mb in my PC. And it took some time for Nvidia to bring out a stable driver.

So i would recommend you to just wait and see.

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Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:31 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 5):
Notice the Hybrid Water/Air cooled GPU

But be warned, a brand new state-of-the-art card will burn a hole in your pocket!

I know I probably have to wait till its my birthday in January.

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 7):

I would wait for ATI for their DX10 card, cause ATI do tend to take a little longer but always have better cards.

And dont think im PRO ATI cause i have Dual Nvidia 6800 cards with 256Mb in my PC. And it took some time for Nvidia to bring out a stable driver.

So i would recommend you to just wait and see.

Okay I'll do that then. How do you run dual graphicscards? Do you need a special motherboard? And do you need a new cooling for your computer as it probably gets very warm.


Edit:
I just took a look at the wikipedia link, which makes me wonder if I would need a new power supply as well or if any modern power supply can handle such a graphicscard? My computer is 1 year old.

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Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:42 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 8):
How do you run dual graphicscards?

As far as I know, you need 2 available (possibly 4?) PCI-E slots, and a SLI connector that can connect 2 SLI-capable cards.

 
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Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:58 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 9):

As far as I know, you need 2 available (possibly 4?) PCI-E slots, and a SLI connector that can connect 2 SLI-capable cards.

Cool! How much does it cost, and do you think it would be able to run FSX smoothly?
 
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Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:41 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 10):
Cool! How much does it cost, and do you think it would be able to run FSX smoothly?

Although it looks sweet, it costs a premium. You are talking two $600USD cards together with the added costs of SLI conncectors, etc...the cost will be at a minimum of $1000USD. That is about the cost of a regular computer system (not a budget or gaming system).

As you guessed, graphic are amazing, but I have heard that some games aren't campatable with SLI. I'm not sure if MS FSX will handle it, hopefully it will!
 
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Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 11):
Although it looks sweet, it costs a premium. You are talking two $600USD cards together with the added costs of SLI conncectors, etc...the cost will be at a minimum of $1000USD. That is about the cost of a regular computer system (not a budget or gaming system).

As you guessed, graphic are amazing, but I have heard that some games aren't campatable with SLI. I'm not sure if MS FSX will handle it, hopefully it will!

Okay thanks for the info! I'll probably wait for a new ATI graphicscard to come out then Big grin
 
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Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:14 am

Nvidia Cards eat up power like no other graphics card. Make sure you have a strong enough PSU or your card will cause major problems.

I've gone through 3 Nvidia cards, now I use an ATI card and find it to be less "powerful" than geforce cards, but much more stable and consistent.

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Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:57 pm

A friend of mine told me that the new geforce 8000 series require a 64 bit processor. Is this true?
Also how do I find out whether my computer has a 64 bit processor?
All I know is that it is a 3,2 ghz pentium 4 processor. Should I call the manufacturer?

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Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 14):
A friend of mine told me that the new geforce 8000 series require a 64 bit processor. Is this true?
Also how do I find out whether my computer has a 64 bit processor?
All I know is that it is a 3,2 ghz pentium 4 processor. Should I call the manufacturer?

It probably is true, 64 bit is the future. I don't think Intel or AMD make many (if any) 32bit any more for the PC (they might for portable media systems).

No need to call the manufacturer all P4s are 32bit. Thats what you have.
 
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Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:32 am

Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 15):

It probably is true, 64 bit is the future. I don't think Intel or AMD make many (if any) 32bit any more for the PC (they might for portable media systems).

No need to call the manufacturer all P4s are 32bit. Thats what you have.

Well I just bought the 7950GT, which gives me really nice graphics I must say, but I still only get around 10fps  Sad So sometime in half a year or so when I can afford it, I will buy a new motherboard and processor lol
 
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AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+
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Not too good, but at 1400x900 with settings at close to full there is no stuttering at all, no matter what view I am using, etc. etc. However, this is only the demo. Does know what the difference is between the demo and the real thing? My latest 3DMark score was ~12,000, so I don't think I'll have too much of a problem.

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Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:49 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 16):
Well I just bought the 7950GT, which gives me really nice graphics I must say, but I still only get around 10fps   So sometime in half a year or so when I can afford it, I will buy a new motherboard and processor lol

Right now, that's almost the top-of-the-line model! Geez, I think FSX was released way to early...
 
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Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Thread starter):
Which one do you think is really good for FSX both compared to the price but also in pure performance?

In my opinion, wait for DX10 cards to come out. At the moment I'm leaning toward ATI cards simply because they can run ShaderModel 3 using Anti-aliasing. Geforce cards can't run Anti-aliasing when using ShaderModel 2.

With any luck the Geforece 8 series will be able to run ShaderModel 2 and/or 3 using Anti-aliasing.
 
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Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:47 am

Quoting AC21365 (Reply 19):

In my opinion, wait for DX10 cards to come out.

Too late. I thought that the graphics card that I bought would do the trick since I would have to buy a new 64-bit processor to get the maximum out of the new geforce 8000 series which I didn't want to. Now that I have the 7950GT, it seems like I will need a new motherboard and processor anyway. damnit!
 
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Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:09 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 16):
Well I just bought the 7950GT, which gives me really nice graphics I must say, but I still only get around 10fps Sad So sometime in half a year or so when I can afford it, I will buy a new motherboard and processor lol



Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 20):
Too late. I thought that the graphics card that I bought would do the trick since I would have to buy a new 64-bit processor to get the maximum out of the new geforce 8000 series which I didn't want to. Now that I have the 7950GT, it seems like I will need a new motherboard and processor anyway. damnit!

Although that would work, I don't (this is just my opinion though, you don't have to agree) think it is worthwhile.

Much better to buy a new PC. It's not much more expensive and you can keep your old PC.


I think you might think that buying a DX10 card will improve the FPS. It will a bit, but the CPU is really the bottleneck.

So you would get a large improvement by upgrading the CPU and getting a DX10 card, but not for the reasons you think - the 7950GT is a powerful card, and a faster CPU will give much better FPS than upgrading to an 8000 series anyway.
 
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Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:21 pm

Quoting N231YE (Reply 11):
As you guessed, graphic are amazing, but I have heard that some games aren't campatable with SLI. I'm not sure if MS FSX will handle it, hopefully it will!

At present FSX does NOT support SLI or Dual Core processors. However there are plans to release a patch at a later date that will add support for both.

Games need to be speciically written to take advantage of SLI/Dual Core, the FSX team decided not to support either as it would have delayed the release significantly.
 
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Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 21):

Although that would work, I don't (this is just my opinion though, you don't have to agree) think it is worthwhile.

Much better to buy a new PC. It's not much more expensive and you can keep your old PC.


I think you might think that buying a DX10 card will improve the FPS. It will a bit, but the CPU is really the bottleneck.

So you would get a large improvement by upgrading the CPU and getting a DX10 card, but not for the reasons you think - the 7950GT is a powerful card, and a faster CPU will give much better FPS than upgrading to an 8000 series anyway.

Thanks for the advice! I am not going to buy another new computer. I already have this desktop and then a laptop for work & school. I will upgrade my desktops motherboard and CPU just like you said I should. I've been looking at some of the CPUs. A Dual Core 2,67ghz processor with a cooler costs around £500 here. And a dual core 2,93ghz processor with cooler costs around £600. I think the 2,67ghz should be fast enough. But then again, this wont be something that I'll buy anytime soon because I can't afford it right now.
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:16 am

Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 21):
I think you might think that buying a DX10 card will improve the FPS. It will a bit, but the CPU is really the bottleneck.

DX10 cards will make the game look better, but the performance gain will depend on how much better the future DX10 cards are than today's DX9 cards.

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 22):
Games need to be speciically written to take advantage of SLI/Dual Core, the FSX team decided not to support either as it would have delayed the release significantly.

 bigthumbsup  As much as I want FS10 myself, I almost wish they would have waited and done everything the first time, THEN released it. The current performance that people are getting out of the game is depressing (even my computer has nothing on the game). A LOT of people have Dual-core chips and a couple have SLI already. Waiting might have upped the satisfaction factor overall.

Just my $.02
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:49 am

On a sidenote: Is the speed of the memory very important?

Apparently my DDR ram speed is pc400 which I was told is very standard. Would the performance get much better with a faster ddr speed?
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:51 am

Are those intels?

An AMD 4800+ X2 costs just under £200 here - although thats without anything else.
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:38 am

Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 26):
Are those intels?

Yes they are..

Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 26):
An AMD 4800+ X2 costs just under �200 here - although thats without anything else.

Wow thats not that bad! Is it fast enough for fsx?
 
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Don't know, is anythnig fast enough for FSX?

It the fatest AMD you can buy right now (although someone said here they had an 5000+)
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:13 am

Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 28):
Don't know, is anythnig fast enough for FSX?

It the fatest AMD you can buy right now (although someone said here they had an 5000+)

Okay.. well do you think it is as fast as a pentium dual core 2,67ghz processor?
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:42 am

Isnt it amazing how ALL the FS lover needs a new computer or at least a graphic card...

Is there something like MS working together with the computer industry?!
Make the FS X so slow that everybody needs a new PC or graphic card...

my PC cannot handle FS X too... so what to do?
Sell FS X on ebay? buy a new PC? new graphic card?
Lot of money "just" for a Flight simulator...

ah well

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Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:36 am

Well a lot of people use the PC for stuff other than FSX, so it's not a waste of money.

There are many great video games out there, but even if you don't play games, that extra CPU power is going to be needed for stuff like Music, video......

When you to play HD DVD on your PC, you'll need that better video card, and your'll need that CPU to encode digital video.............

Better graphics are demanded by the people who buy games, it's not a conspiracy. They will sell more PC's now but only because people have been waiting to upgrade anyway.

FSX does seem to have some issues though.........but the first patch should help. It's like that for all games.
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:44 am

Okay so I just switched off all the autogen scenery. Now I get around 20fps like others in here, but where's the fun in that? That's almost like playing fs2002

Actually I get 30fps with autogen scenery set to max when I am high up in the air and it is locked at 30fps. So do you guys still think it is because of the processor that it drops to 10fps on the ground?

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Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:04 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 29):
Okay.. well do you think it is as fast as a pentium dual core 2,67ghz processor?

I don't know how the intel compares in figures.

To AMD/Itntel is most personnal preference.

A CPU is the most important part of the PC, then Video then memory. Memory is important but it's so cheap now it dosn't really count - everyone has lots of memory.

I think the a CPU upgrade would help, but the best thing to do is read what people who ownthat CPU has written about FSX.

I can only estimate it, but not owning one,I can't tell you 100% how it will perform.
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:29 pm

Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 28):
Don't know, is anythnig fast enough for FSX?



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 30):
Is there something like MS working together with the computer industry?!
Make the FS X so slow that everybody needs a new PC or graphic card...

A lot of people don't realize, but back in late '03, the same thing happened with the release of FS9: Everyone's computer ran it crummy. It took 2 years for technology to catch up to the game so it could be played at max settings with all the eye candy on.

FS10 is and will be the same way.

Give technology time, it'll catch up.
 
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Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:48 am

Hello,

My question isnt about graphics cards, but dvd-drives. Does anybody know of a good, but cheap dvd-drive for installing games? The one I have currently has crapped out and I can't play FSX because of it!

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