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Flight Simulator XI?

Sun May 13, 2007 2:07 am

I have heard, that Microsoft is working on Flight Simulator XI. Is it true?
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Sun May 13, 2007 4:21 am

I'm quite sure that MS is working on a newer version for FS, it's like any software and constantly needs to be updated and improved (adding new toys and gadgets) to keep sales going. A new version of FS has come out every 2 years for the last 10 years: MSFS98, MSFS2000, MSFS2002, MSFS2004 and MSFS X (2006), so expect MSFS11 to come out in 2008 (usually the later half of the year towards Christmas).
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Sun May 13, 2007 5:48 am

Wasn't FSX designed to be the current FS for quite a long time (relatively speaking of course), the technology to run FSX at its full potential doesn't exist yet. I think we're looking at about 4 years.

Don't forget, there isn't really many add-ons for FSX yet and its been more than 6 months since it was released.
 
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Sun May 13, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 2):
Wasn't FSX designed to be the current FS for quite a long time (relatively speaking of course), the technology to run FSX at its full potential doesn't exist yet. I think we're looking at about 4 years.

Don't forget, there isn't really many add-ons for FSX yet and its been more than 6 months since it was released.

I believe that there will be a newer version out in 2008, just a more updated and better running version then FSX. I doubt it will be a leap as it was between FS9 and FSX, it'll be more like something between FS7 and FS8 or FS8 and FS9.
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Sun May 13, 2007 7:12 am

they need a MSFS old school, with all the planes out of service but still popular, like the 757 and 737-500 or something.
or maybe they could get some real liveries and airlines out there, x-plane has it why not make at least one default jet a real airline.
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Sun May 13, 2007 7:17 am

Quoting JamesJimlb (Reply 4):
they need a MSFS old school, with all the planes out of service but still popular, like the 757 and 737-500 or something.

Isn't that what avsim and co. are for?

Quoting JamesJimlb (Reply 4):
or maybe they could get some real liveries and airlines out there

see above

Quoting JamesJimlb (Reply 4):
x-plane has it why not make at least one default jet a real airline.

Never used x-plane, never seen it any stores, but I would assume it's because of trademark/copyright issues.
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Sun May 13, 2007 7:45 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 5):

Isn't that what avsim and co. are for?

I agree.

In the next FS all i want is the world. Build it as realistic as possible and spend time on the envoirenment and make it the best FS there is. Then release it to there big Ac developers (like Level D, PMDG and posky/IFDG) and let them build a few aircraft for it then release it.

Thats what i think would make the best Flight simulator.

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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Sun May 13, 2007 7:56 am

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 6):
Thats what i think would make the best Flight simulator.

I think that the best flight sim would be the one that actually runs as promised on computers that actually exist on the market today ...  Big grin
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Sun May 13, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 7):

Haha yeh! The problem with FSX is in my opinion the graphics are too "arcady" so they arent any more realistic they are just made to appeal to the masses rather than more detailed and a more specific market. Which i guess is what microsoft want if they are in it to make money.

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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Sun May 13, 2007 8:39 am

I think in the next couple of years, they'll be making expansion packs (kind of like 'The Sims 2'). IMO this is much better than making a brand new sim every 2 years. This allows us the comsumers to chose what we want.

There's already an expansion pack for FSX. FSX: Adrenaline, sounds pretty good. Sorry I can't find a link that works.
 
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Sun May 13, 2007 1:39 pm

Quoting JamesJimlb (Reply 4):
or maybe they could get some real liveries and airlines out there, x-plane has it why not make at least one default jet a real airline.

Copyright violations. Ok, so there was the BA Concorde in FS2004, and Kenmore's planes in FSX. They got permission, but it's really hard and not worth it to do so for all of them.
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Sun May 13, 2007 2:16 pm

As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft's only mission for FS should be to provide add-on developers with a killer base platform to work with. Nothing in the default package is ever anywhere near as good as its eventual add-on replacement, so I don't think Microsoft should be worrying about airplanes, airports and sceneries nearly as much as a solid framework that can be built upon. If the base platform for FSX was half as developer friendly as FS9's, we'd be seeing some really exciting stuff from top developers right now. Unfortunately, Microsoft decided the X-Boxers were more important than the Flight Simmers when they put FSX together.
 
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Sun May 13, 2007 3:52 pm

Quoting AcroAirFun (Thread starter):
I have heard, that Microsoft is working on Flight Simulator XI. Is it true?

I would hope not. There are still some major issues in FSX that need to be worked out.

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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Sun May 13, 2007 4:36 pm

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 10):
Ok, so there was the BA Concorde in FS2004

Actually, that would have been in FS2000 (which I never owned), but it was taken out of FS2002 because of the AF Concorde crash.
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Tue May 15, 2007 3:39 am

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 2):
Don't forget, there isn't really many add-ons for FSX yet and its been more than 6 months since it was released.

FSX was a very big step forward from FS9, just FS2000 was from FS98. I think it'll take time before we see many add-on's for FSX because many of us are frustrated that we can't get FSX to run on our computer system, so we're still using FS9. But I'm still very sure we'll see a modified/updated FS in 2008.
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Thu May 17, 2007 8:27 pm

Thanks for response! I don't know how to imagine Flight Simulator XI, because Flight Simulator X is nearly the reality. First, I'm waiting for updates, next for FS XI.  airplane 
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Fri May 18, 2007 3:51 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 13):

Actually, that would have been in FS2000 (which I never owned), but it was taken out of FS2002 because of the AF Concorde crash.

That's what happens when you type posts half-asleep! I meant FS2000  drunk 
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Fri May 18, 2007 2:00 pm

It seems as if there will be an expansion pack, due out about the same time the DX10 update is. New planes, including the P-51! Cool!

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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Mon May 21, 2007 10:31 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 1):
A new version of FS has come out every 2 years for the last 10 years: MSFS98, MSFS2000, MSFS2002, MSFS2004 and MSFS X (2006), so expect MSFS11 to come out in 2008 (usually the later half of the year towards Christmas).

Not necessarily. FS98 was released in mid-1997, FS2000 was released in late 1999, FS2002 was released in late 2001, and FS2004 (FS9) was released in mid-2003. Generally, FS versions are released before the year they're named for.

Following this logic, FSX is actually FS2007, having been released in late 2006. This makes it a 4 year gap between FS9 and FSX. For FSX to be considered FS2006, it would've had to have been released in mid- to late 2005, as many expected. Again, following this logic, if FSXI was to be FS2008, it would be released by the end of this year.

I think FSXI will most likely be released in mid- to late 2009, and unofficially become FS2010.


Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 3):
I believe that there will be a newer version out in 2008, just a more updated and better running version then FSX. I doubt it will be a leap as it was between FS9 and FSX, it'll be more like something between FS7 and FS8 or FS8 and FS9.

There's already an expansion pack in the works, slated for release around 2008, so you'd be correct.


Quoting JamesJimlb (Reply 4):
they need a MSFS old school, with all the planes out of service but still popular, like the 757 and 737-500 or something.

757 and 737-500? They're still in service with dozens of commercial airlines around the world, and airlines keep on finding new, better uses for the 757 in particular. Just because they're out of production doesn't mean that they're no longer in service.

"Old school" would be the direction that FS2004 took, including aircraft like the Curtiss Jenny, Douglas DC-3, or Wright Flyer. Sadly, many of these are no longer included in FSX.

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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Mon May 21, 2007 11:07 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 18):
FS versions are released before the year they're named for.

True, as it has been over the last few versions.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 18):
Following this logic, FSX is actually FS2007, having been released in late 2006. This makes it a 4 year gap between FS9 and FSX.

3 years actually. FS2004 - FS2007 (release dates 2003 - 2006)

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 18):
as many expected. Again, following this logic, if FSXI was to be FS2008, it would be released by the end of this year.

Ah, but who said that FS11 would be FS2008? Most of us are saying that there could be a new FS version released in 2008, which would make FS11 a FS2009, which brings it back to it's 2 year cycle.
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Sun May 27, 2007 6:37 am

for once they could release a flight simulator based on modern architecture, for once not using essentially the same engine as with fsfw95!

no wonder fs doesn't run 'well' on even the best machines - the way m$ have kept the vastly outdated engine powering the thing patched up unsurprisingly murders any performance.

time, maybe, that m$ concentrated on getting it 'as real as it gets' through actually making it anywhere near 'as smooth as it is'!
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Mon May 28, 2007 5:16 am

Quoting JamesJimlb (Reply 4):
or maybe they could get some real liveries and airlines out there, x-plane has it why not make at least one default jet a real airline.



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 10):
Copyright violations. Ok, so there was the BA Concorde in FS2004, and Kenmore's planes in FSX. They got permission, but it's really hard and not worth it to do so for all of them.

Maybe not but if you notice the default airliners they all resemble real world airlines and have missions based in those areas - for instance the Jet Airways 737-800 in the Indian Ocean mission, I think they have a Gulf Air A320 lookalike too, in FS2004 they had an Asiana brown 777, KLM lookalike 737 etc.
 
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Mon May 28, 2007 11:45 am

World Travel in FSX is based off of Jet Airways
Pacifica in FS9 is based off of Maersk Air
American Pacific in FS9 is based off of Piedmont
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:01 pm

I expect the DXT10 update and the expansion pack this holiday season, another expansion pack next holiday season and a new version end of 2009 - a 2008 release would require to have it already basically running now, and reading the ACES blogs that isn't the case yet.
 
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:32 pm

Do you think that Orbit Airlines are based on Lufthansa in FSX?
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:37 pm

Quoting AcroAirFun (Reply 24):
Do you think that Orbit Airlines are based on Lufthansa in FSX?

I'd say more like Jet Airways out of India ....


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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:00 am

that looks like world travel 737-800, and pacifica is just weird.
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:32 pm

The only reason they're using World, Pacifica and Orbit, is that they would otherwise have to go through the legal hoops to get permission to add the real world liveries. And that, I guess, would have been rather pricey. Don't forget that it wasn't that long ago that AA would come down like a hawk on anything commercial (or even freeware for that matter) that had their livery/logo on it. They're a bit more relaxed now with the freeware authors, but commercial addons still can't use anything that's AA-related. Which is why some commercial AI-packs are using some rather creative look-a-like's instead!

Peter Max is another one who's fiercely defending his work with everything he can throw at us, which is why you usually have to email the Peter Max repaint around. Same goes for some of the JAL/ANA logojets, which makes (or at least, used to) retrieving them from japanese repainters a very interesting task.

As for a FSXI, I agree with that was posted further up; I'm sure that someone's already working on the basic ideas and functions, but it isn't in full development. People are only now just starting to get the tools and documentation needed to customize FSX (such as an AFCAD-look-a-like), so I think that if we wait a year or so, things will definantly have picked up on the addon front.
 
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:31 am

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 27):
The only reason they're using World, Pacifica and Orbit, is that they would otherwise have to go through the legal hoops to get permission to add the real world liveries.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0001102/M/

Look familer ?

Although this airline as far as I can see (after a brief look) is long gone.
 
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RE: Flight Simulator XI?

Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:02 am

Quoting Jamesbaldwyn (Reply 28):
Although this airline as far as I can see (after a brief look) is long gone.

Airline? No. Livery? Yes.
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