Bekol
Topic Author
Posts: 43
Joined: Sat Jun 23, 2001 11:52 pm

Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:50 am

Hello,

I am planning to build a new PC for FSX. The budget is about US$1,300. I have been reading posts regarding the CPU and display card and finally come out with this specification.

CPU: INTEL Core2Quad Q6600 (2.4G)
Motherboard: ASUS P5K (Intel P35)
RAM: 2GB DDR2 800 (1GB x2)
HDD: 320GB SATA-II 7200RPM
Display card: GeForce 8800GTS 320MB DDR3

20X DVD+/-RW
INT. Card reader
OnBoard 7.1 HD Audio
OnBoard 10/100/1000 Lan Card
ATX Case + RF405 485W P.S.

In additon, I am also planning to buy a 22' LCD monitor to have a higher enjoyment.

I am not sure whether this spec is enough for flying with high density w/ max/many autogen scenery and for future add-ons such as Wilco Publishing Airbus Series 2.

I have read some posts regarding this Q6600 CPU and the Core 2 Duo E6750 1333MHz 4MB CPU. Some suggest that the E6750 is performing just at a slightly slower loading speed than the Q6600 but other performances are just the same. But these two cards is differentiated by about US$90. I wonder if it is worth going for the Q6600 or just the E6750.

Any comment/suggestion/advice on the spec would be very much appreciated! Thank you very much.

Happy flying,
Alan (VHHH)
 
goinv
Posts: 255
Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:16 pm

RE: Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:53 am

This set up is almost identical to mine. I have 4Gb of DDR800 RAM and a Core 2 Duo 6600 processor.

In built up areas I struggle to get fluid scenes and frame rates in the double figures in built up areas like NYC.

I have just upgraded to 64bit Vista and am still trying to work out if there has been an improvement.

In rural areas my PC copes absolutely fine with all sliders maxed
Be who you are, The world was made to measure for your smile. So Smile.
 
TropicalSQ744
Posts: 237
Joined: Sun Nov 11, 2001 3:17 am

RE: Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:16 pm

I think your power supply should be at least 550W for quadcore systems. Do come back and tell us the FPS you get (with sp1 installed)  Smile
DMK(TG773/772) PEN(SQ772/MH734) PER(QF333) PEK(CA763) HKT(MI320) HKG(SQ744) ICN (OZ333), CJU,TAE(OZ734) TPE(3K320) KUL(T
 
zenarcade
Posts: 84
Joined: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:08 am

RE: Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:35 pm

Quoting Goinv (Reply 1):
In built up areas I struggle to get fluid scenes and frame rates in the double figures in built up areas like NYC.

Same here although I am using a far less impressive set up. I still think the game has some optimization issues.

Apparently SP3 will offer a %17 increase in frame rates.  crossfingers  Heres hoping.
If a plane falls on the tarmac and no one is there, does it make any sound? - Starlionblue
 
Bekol
Topic Author
Posts: 43
Joined: Sat Jun 23, 2001 11:52 pm

RE: Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:01 pm

Thanks for all your valuable comments and suggestions!

It appears that, even with this spec, I may not be able fly FSX smoothly & perfectly in those built up areas, let alone to install some highly-detailed sceneries/aircraft that would probably be released in the future.

So I may now consider to build a pc that would be ready for upgrades in 1 or 2 years time when there are more supports (both hardware & software) for FSX available and I will stay at FS9 for the time being.

I am thinking whether to get the 8600GTS card instead of the 8800GTS as it is some hundreds cheaper and i could get more than happy graphics and frame-rates on FS9. On the other hand, I also wonder whether I should go for the Q6600 or Core 2 Duo E6750 1333MHz 4MB.

Any comments or suggestions would be much appreciated! Thanks again for all the comments.

Kind Regards,
Alan (VHHH)
 
zenarcade
Posts: 84
Joined: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:08 am

RE: Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:58 am

At work so I cannot type a proper reason why, but trust me get the 8800GTS. I recently (yesterday) returned my 8600GTS for the 8800GTS and I saw a good improvement.

The 8800GTS is far more powerful and can handle more.
If a plane falls on the tarmac and no one is there, does it make any sound? - Starlionblue
 
Genius12
Posts: 216
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:49 am

RE: Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:51 am

That system looks fine that you suggest, Bekrol. However, I would consider upgrading the memory from 2GB to 4GB, as FSX can be a little bit jumpy even with 2GB and (although very infrequently) give a 'lack of system memory' message.

Alternativley, you could consider (if you're loading the PC with Vista Home Premium/Vista Ultimate) using the Windows ReadyBoost technology by inserting an empty 1GB USB data stick to up the memory temporarily.
 
sv2008
Posts: 591
Joined: Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:05 pm

RE: Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:55 am

I would probably go for the E6750 with the 8800GTS, with 4GB ram.

Does FSX even support Quad Core? I thought that Quad core would only really be for specialized applications (graphics design and severs, not games).

Have you looked at the 6800 Extreme? Expensive but part of the same range as the E6750. Although it is probably been replaced soon (E6850 extreme?)
 
goinv
Posts: 255
Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:16 pm

RE: Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:55 pm

Quoting Genius12 (Reply 6):
Alternativley, you could consider (if you're loading the PC with Vista Home Premium/Vista Ultimate) using the Windows ReadyBoost technology by inserting an empty 1GB USB data stick to up the memory temporarily.

I've tried 2 different USB sticks and both times it says they are not fast enough - what do you have to use?
Be who you are, The world was made to measure for your smile. So Smile.
 
Bekol
Topic Author
Posts: 43
Joined: Sat Jun 23, 2001 11:52 pm

RE: Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:58 pm

Thanks for all the inputs. The info are all very helpful!

I will probably go for 4GB RAM and 8800GTS.

As for the CPU, I read from other FS forums (e.g. from avsim) and it appears that FSX do support Quad Core, but the improvement, as compared with the Duo Core, is insignificant (a little bit faster in start-up but almost no improvement on fps). So I would probably go for the E6750 and test whether it can run FSX smoothly. If not, I will just stay at FS9 and wait for a few years for a better display card or more RAM.

Thank you once again for all your suggestions! My mind wouldn't be so clear without your helps! Please do advice me if you have further suggestions. Thank you!!

Kind Regards,
Alan (VHHH)
 
jamesbaldwyn
Posts: 747
Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:04 am

RE: Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:23 pm

Quoting Bekol (Reply 9):
and it appears that FSX do support Quad Core,

I don't think may other games do either.

Quad Core will definatly speed up you're system but wont show its power in Games.

 Smile
 
David L
Posts: 8547
Joined: Tue May 18, 1999 2:26 am

RE: Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:47 am

Quoting Goinv (Reply 8):
e tried 2 different USB sticks and both times it says they are not fast enough - what do you have to use?

Are they USB 2 and are you putting them into USB 2 ports? If either the device or the port is USB 1 you'll only get USB 1 speeds.
 
sv2008
Posts: 591
Joined: Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:05 pm

RE: Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:57 am

Delete


The message you were about to post is too short and probably not of any higher value to the topic at hand. You should think long and hard before posting a message in this forum and make it detailed and a valuable addition to the topic discussed.

Avoid posting "Me Too" messages. These are messages that are posted by people who agree to a point being discussed and post a one liner, "me too!", "Good post Jim!", "I disagree" or similar message. This takes up time as readers must sort through these messages which have no real value to the group at large. Any message containing nothing more than a line or two of text is probably not worth posting.

If you have an opinion on a topic, you should in detail express why you have the opinion and what made you come to that conclusion.

Your post should be relevant to the topic discussed.

[Edited 2007-08-13 02:13:57]
 
Genius12
Posts: 216
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:49 am

RE: Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:51 am

Quoting Goinv (Reply 8):
I've tried 2 different USB sticks and both times it says they are not fast enough - what do you have to use?

The USB stick must be USB 2.0 compatible (and plugged into a USB 2.0 port) and must be able to access data at least at 3.5Mbps (megabits per second). Microsoft recommend you use a data stick with the same capacity as your RAM inside your PC, or greater. For example, if your PC has 1GB of RAM, use a 1GB data stick or greater capacity.
 
B727-200
Posts: 1008
Joined: Fri Nov 05, 1999 11:28 am

RE: Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:27 am

That original system that you quoted Bekol is almost identical to the one I have just upgraded to (running Vista Home Premium). As usual, it appears to work OK until there are heavy clouds and rain - in fact - it is almost unplayable in this situation (about 4fps). I have also had it crash often telling me that I do not have enough RAM - who would have thought that 2GB was not enough  Yeah sure . I have had some problems with the game not displaying correctly too, particularly in window mode (display is like looking through a venetian blind).

I am going to play around with the sliders, but essentially will be waiting for the DX10 service pack before really getting stuck into it. In the mean time I might give FS9 a bash on the new machine - if I can get all the addon stuff accross from my old XP box.

B727-200.
 
jasond
Posts: 648
Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:23 am

RE: Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:22 pm

LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY REQUIRED  Smile
 
Bekol
Topic Author
Posts: 43
Joined: Sat Jun 23, 2001 11:52 pm

RE: Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:38 pm

Hello all,

Thanks again for all the comments! They are very valuable to me!

Now, having considered my budget, the CPU as well as the RAM issues, I come up with this updated spec:

CPU: INTEL Core 2 Duo E6420 2133MHz / 4096KB or E6750 2.66GHz 4MB on chips (if it is available here in HK)

Motherboard: P5B

RAM: 4GB DDR2 800 (Samsung DDR-2 800 PC2 1G x4)

HDD: 320GB SATA-II 7200RPM (Hitachi HC725032VLA380)

Display card: GeForce 8800GTS

20X DVD+/-RW
INT. Card reader
OnBoard 7.1 HD Audio
OnBoard 10/100/1000 Lan Card
ATX Case + RF405 485W P.S.

With a "downgraded" CPU and "upgraded" RAM, this machine will cost about US$1,100.

Again, comments and suggestions will always be welcomed! Thank you very much for all your helps!!

Regards,
Alan (VHHH)
 
goinv
Posts: 255
Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:16 pm

RE: Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:55 pm

Quoting Bekol (Reply 16):
Motherboard: P5B

I have this motherboard - it wouldn't recognise more than 3Gb of RAM until I upgraded to Vista 64bit.

According to my PC the slowest bit is the 6600 Core 2 Duo processor.

I'm not sure whether you're aware but Vista has a Windows Experience Index. 1.0 is crap thro to 5.9 which is the best. My 6600 scores 5.3. 4Gb DDR2 800 RAM scores 5.7. 8800 GTS graphics scores 5.9

Of course these figures are not the best guidelines but I would go for the E6750 processor.
Be who you are, The world was made to measure for your smile. So Smile.
 
Bekol
Topic Author
Posts: 43
Joined: Sat Jun 23, 2001 11:52 pm

RE: Build A New PC For FSX - Advice Needed

Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:56 pm

yeah, I have just fonud out that the E6750 is available but I also figured out it that P5B doesn't even support E6750. So I will go for P5K instead.

CPU: INTEL Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66GHz 4MB on chips

Motherboard: ASUS P5K (Intel P35)

RAM: 4GB DDR2 800 (Samsung DDR-2 800 PC2 1G x4)

HDD: 320GB SATA-II 7200RPM (Hitachi HC725032VLA380)

Display card: GeForce 8800GTS

20X DVD+/-RW
INT. Card reader
OnBoard 7.1 HD Audio
OnBoard 10/100/1000 Lan Card
ATX Case + RF405 485W P.S.

Thanks for your suggestions!

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests