ajd1992
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Self Gloss! My First...

Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:29 am

LANDING!

Came back from doing some stuff over the Irish Sea and Welsh coastline (I fly from Liverpool/EGGP), then told to turn 100, throw out full flaps and descend towards RWY 27. I thought my instructor would take over and land it, but he just said "right, keep it nose down till about 15 feet off the deck, then slowly flare then pull off the power and let it float down" so i did, and not being big headed, but it was a absolute GREASER  Silly I think i kept the nose a little high off the ground for too long, but it didn't slam down so i guess it was good enough. My breaking was really uneven, i sorta slammed on at first then nearly overshot the exit....

All in all, i'm just surprised after 3 hours i was allowed to land.. i mean isn't that a little fast? Who cares, i walked away and i can brag about it  Silly
 
jamesbuk
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RE: Self Gloss! My First...

Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:59 am

Quoting Ajd1992 (Thread starter):

Congrats!! Big grin Big grin

Hopefully the first of many!!!

I still find landing a lil hard, I don't want to over flare and rip the tail off, so normally i don't flare and think im going to rip the nose wheel off... Ill get it at some point :p

I don't think 3 hours is early, i was doing it at 3 hours... I guess he thought you were confident enough in the plane to land it.

Rgds --James--
You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
 
6yjjk
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RE: Self Gloss! My First...

Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:01 am

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 1):
I don't want to over flare and rip the tail off

Something I saw once, when a student had exactly the same worry: Sit in the plane (this was a Cessna 150), and get your instructor to push the tail down to the ground. Then you'll see just how ridiculously over-flared you'd have to be - it might help.

And, if you're not reading them already, start looking at the AAIB bulletins - you'll soon see that every month some student breaks a nosewheel! Much better to flare too much and have to go around than too little and disturb the fire crew during their tea break  Wink

But to be honest, if you can round out at the right height, and if you can keep focusing on the far end of the runway and on not sinking as the speed bleeds off, I suspect the flare will pretty much sort itself out.

But don't listen to anyone on a.net! Have a chat with your instructor - that's what you pay them for.
 
ajd1992
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RE: Self Gloss! My First...

Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:30 am

Fortunately, I fly a PA-38, so it has awesome ground effect. It's harder to crash it on landing than grease it, i'm betting.

I feel really hyped now... i wonder if he'll let me do it again?  Wink
 
6yjjk
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RE: Self Gloss! My First...

Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:10 am

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 3):
Fortunately, I fly a PA-38,

Ah yes, the Traumahawk. Rather you than me  Smile
 
jamesbaldwyn
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RE: Self Gloss! My First...

Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:05 am

Quoting Ajd1992 (Thread starter):
My breaking was really uneven

It's not the easiest and on wet runways you have to give the 'ABS' effect to stop the brakes from locking up

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 1):
I still find landing a lil hard

Oh really now Big grin
 
jamesbuk
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RE: Self Gloss! My First...

Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:08 am

Quoting Jamesbaldwyn (Reply 5):
Oh really now

Well Landing is easy, landing softly... thats another matter  Wink

Quoting Jamesbaldwyn (Reply 5):
It's not the easiest and on wet runways you have to give the 'ABS' effect to stop the brakes from locking up

Thats because you land on a grass runway in your "plane" On tarmac in a real plane its pretty easy  Wink

Rgds --James--
You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
 
jamesbaldwyn
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RE: Self Gloss! My First...

Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:11 am

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 6):
Well Landing is easy, landing softly... thats another matter  

Haven't dented the grass yet  Wink
 
jamesbuk
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RE: Self Gloss! My First...

Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:13 am

Quoting Jamesbaldwyn (Reply 7):

really? how's the struts on the plane doing?  Wink

Rgds --James--
You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
 
ajd1992
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RE: Self Gloss! My First...

Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:14 am

Quoting 6YJJK (Reply 4):
Ah yes, the Traumahawk. Rather you than me

Come on, it's not that bad of a plane. It has its little quirks which i like 'cause they keep me alert and on my toes  Silly

Quoting Jamesbaldwyn (Reply 5):

It's not the easiest and on wet runways you have to give the 'ABS' effect to stop the brakes from locking up

I'm not sure what you mean about that.... I'm really heavy handed and footed anyway, so i have to learn. Having wide feet doesn't help.... i don't realise how hard i'm pushing the pedals sometimes  Angry
 
jamesbaldwyn
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RE: Self Gloss! My First...

Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:28 am

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 8):

At Bourn airfeild not so well (2nd ever landing, boiling hot day, nosewheel almost shattered )

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