jamesbaldwyn
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How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:09 pm

I was wondering... Big grin

I pay £ 120 per hour for a 2 seater (Robin Hr200) which if you do the maths works out at £ 10 per 5 mins!

How much do you have to pay ?
 
ajd1992
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:34 pm

Between £110 and £117 per hour for a PA-38 Traumahawk.

Damn the fuel prices, i can remember when it was 80 quid an hour!
 
AllegiantAir
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:42 pm

The WHOLE thing including flying time, ground instruction, and books, exams, etc. is roughly $4,800.

http://www.alexandriaaviation.com/instruction.htm
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ajd1992
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:29 pm

Quoting AllegiantAir (Reply 2):
The WHOLE thing including flying time, ground instruction, and books, exams, etc. is roughly $4,800.

WHAT!?!?

Here it's that in pounds.... and half again! Somewhere in the region of $12000...

God, we get ripped off.
 
jamesbuk
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:00 am

I pay about £130 an hour for a Cessna 152 out of Cranfield Airport.

When I have my PPL its about £65 for solo hire, not too bad really.

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opso1
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:52 am

From 56 pounds per hour (C150) hiring cost, with free landings(!!!!) at RAF Waddington flying club. Tuition is an extra 20 pounds per hour.

Website:

http://www.waddingtonflyers.org/
 
bok269
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:26 am

$132.50/hour wet for a 172 Analog.

$150/hour wet for a 172 G1000.

$50/hour for an instructor.
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dw747400
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:33 am

I buy block time at my club, which knocks the price down a bit. A mid 80's 152 runs around $53 an hour, wet, while the our flagship 2003 Arrow with dual Garmin 430s (not class but still cool!) runs $109/hour. CFI's are $25/hour.

Sadly, CAP has instituted new minimums for aircraft rental--when I did my Private and Instrument, I paid $21/hour dry, with a volunteer instructor!
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BlueElephant
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:57 pm

Alright Guys...don't shoot me....

$50/hr for a C-172
$13/hr for instructor
 
Mir
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:52 pm

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 8):
Alright Guys...don't shoot me....

$50/hr for a C-172
$13/hr for instructor

I will shoot you unless you tell me what year that 172 is and where you're flying out of.  Smile

-Mir
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jamesbuk
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:17 pm

How the bloody hell are you guys getting all your planes cheap? do you have to pay extra for fuel used?

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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:48 pm

I pay £117 per hour including instructor costs etc. for PPL flying training. Seems about the average rate in England.

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 10):
How the bloody hell are you guys getting all your planes cheap? do you have to pay extra for fuel used?

Flying training generally is cheaper in the USA, that is why so many people from the UK and Europe go over there to do the PPL or do hour building. If you look at the back of UK flying magazines and look at American flying schools and their prices and compare them to UK schools and their prices you will know what I mean.
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:49 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
I will shoot you unless you tell me what year that 172 is and where you're flying out of. Smile

-Mir

They're pretty New...2003, Analog with GPS.

Its discounted because its through a company I work for.
 
futurecaptain
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:39 am

At the school here students pay
$160 / hr for a 152 (private, comm SEL, and CFI training)
$180 / hr for a 172R (instrument rating and CFII training)
$285 / hr for a PA-44 (comm MEL and MEI training)

If I feel like renting a plane and going up I go elsewhere on the field and it's only
$65 / hr for a 152
$90-100 / hr for a 172 depending on model. R, S, or RG.
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Halcyon
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:24 am

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):

They're pretty New...2003, Analog with GPS.

Its discounted because its through a company I work for.

Yeah, it is definitely time to shoot you.  Smile

Here are the rates at Rocky:

Per Hour Rates

Piper Archer III (Basic aircraft, including glass) $120


Beechcraft Bonanza (complex aircraft) $150


Piper Seminole (multi-engine aircraft) $210


Frasca Raptor or Mentor Flight Training Device
(Raptor is round dial cockpit)
(Mentor is glass cockpit) $40


Flight / ground instruction $37


FAA Examiner fee $250


Lasergrade knowledge exams $80


The main thing is that I am enjoying classes and learning...unlike my time at PRC. Should have gone to DAB I guess, but it worked out in the end.
 
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:23 am

Hmm, could a significant chunk of the difference be due to landing fees? I heard that they are minimal in the US.

I pay £150 for dual instruction in a 172, ~£190 for dual instruction in an Extra. Local landing fees are factored in, and the plane kept in top notch condition.
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:38 am

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
Its discounted because its through a company I work for.

Heavily discounted, is what I think you meant..  Smile
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dw747400
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:28 pm

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 8):
$50/hr for a C-172

Just wondering--Is that wet or dry?
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RedArrows
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:41 pm

I pay 168 euro an hour including instructor fees to train in a Grob 115
 
Mir
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:23 pm

Quoting 9VSIO (Reply 15):
Hmm, could a significant chunk of the difference be due to landing fees? I heard that they are minimal in the US.

Landing fees for GA planes are mostly non-existant in the US.

-Mir
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:11 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 19):
Landing fees for GA planes are mostly non-existant in the US.

At least at GA-centered airports. Many Bravo airports have fees, ranging from $5 to around $100 for a 172. And then the outrageous ramp fees and fuel prices. Last time I landed a 172 at BWI the bill for fuel and fees topped $200--$70 for the 10 gallons of AVGAS and the rest in fees. Of course, most of that was from Signature. The particular aircraft pays for its tie-down on the field, yet the somehow wanted to add a $100 ramp fee! Plus the $17 landing fee (which govenrment aircraft are exempted from) and a $15 handling fee.

After about half an hour of arguing I walked out paying for gas only--and they had the nerve to act like they were doing me a favor at $7/gallon.
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Mir
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:38 am

Quoting Dw747400 (Reply 20):
Many Bravo airports have fees, ranging from $5 to around $100 for a 172. And then the outrageous ramp fees and fuel prices.

That's what you get for flying your 172 into a Class B airport. The fees are designed to keep away people who don't need to be there, and I have no problem with that - those airports are crowded enough as it is. Plus, as you say, only $17 (which I find reasonable) came from the landing fee, the rest was the FBO's charges (which I don't find as reasonable, but they have prime location, so they can charge that much and get away with it).

-Mir
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:07 pm

Provided i'll pass the final interview on november 19th (after passing all needed skill tests thus far), i'll get my PPL, ATPL and A320 typerating plus all other needed ratings for CHF25'000 ($21'470/€15'000/£10'400) self-cost. The rest kindly sponsored by LX Big grin
 
BlueElephant
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:49 pm

Quoting Dw747400 (Reply 17):
Just wondering--Is that wet or dry?

I think it'd be a wet lease...they pay for fuel and all that stuff..i just come in and fly the plane.
 
bond007
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:48 pm

The 'average' going rate for a C172 or similar in the USA is around $80-120/hr (depending on age/avionics), plus $30-50/hr for an instructor.

It often works out about 1/2 price of the UK charges.

You can certainly get your Private License in the USA for around $5K-$6K or less.

If you buy 'block hours' you can get them at a discount (perhaps 10-25%).

That's why you can buy packages from the UK, that include flights to Florida/Arizona, plus accommodation, plus training, for less than the cost in the UK.... plus much better guarantee of good weather of course.


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dw747400
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:43 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 21):
That's what you get for flying your 172 into a Class B airport

Because of the cost and congestion, I try to avoid them whenever possible. But with CAP Wing HQ almost on top of BWI, they are not moving that plane, and on occasion thats the only one I can get my hands on for some proficiency flying (I wonder why its always available)?

The other reason you may need a Class B airport is if no smaller airports in the region have suitable instrument approaches. I have four real alternates coming back into my home base, and at any given time its a safe bet one or two of them have ILS OTS. BWI is always going to have an ILS up and running!
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bond007
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:19 pm

Quoting Dw747400 (Reply 25):
The other reason you may need a Class B airport is if no smaller airports in the region have suitable instrument approaches. I have four real alternates coming back into my home base, and at any given time its a safe bet one or two of them have ILS OTS. BWI is always going to have an ILS up and running!

Yeah, but you didn't have to land. Could have just done missed approaches and not stopped at the FBO.
Signature is famous for it's ridiculous ramp fees .... even the corporate guys rant about them.

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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:26 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 22):
Provided i'll pass the final interview on november 19th (after passing all needed skill tests thus far), i'll get my PPL, ATPL and A320 typerating plus all other needed ratings for CHF25'000 ($21'470/€15'000/£10'400) self-cost. The rest kindly sponsored by LX Big grin

Damn I wanna be a Swiss born resident now.
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dw747400
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:06 am

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 26):
Yeah, but you didn't have to land. Could have just done missed approaches and not stopped at the FBO.
Signature is famous for it's ridiculous ramp fees .... even the corporate guys rant about them.

Umm... what purpose does going missed at your alternate serve? I'm not talking practice approaches here!
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Mir
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:36 am

Quoting Dw747400 (Reply 25):
The other reason you may need a Class B airport is if no smaller airports in the region have suitable instrument approaches. I have four real alternates coming back into my home base, and at any given time its a safe bet one or two of them have ILS OTS. BWI is always going to have an ILS up and running!

Yeah, they are handy for alternates. But with LPV becoming common, soon you'll be able to get a precision approach into pretty much anywhere. Sure, they don't count as precision approaches for alternate filing purposes, but the difference between 600-2 and 800-2 isn't that much.

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 27):
Damn I wanna be a Swiss born resident now.

You and me both. I've paid at least that much into my flight training so far, and I'm only CPL-ASEL.

-Mir
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dw747400
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:49 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 29):
Yeah, they are handy for alternates. But with LPV becoming common, soon you'll be able to get a precision approach into pretty much anywhere.

Good point, but that $75 ramp fee doesn't look to bad compared to the cost of upgrading my G430s for LPVs! Of course, I'd rather have added flexiblity than improve Signature's bottom line, but for the time being its not really an option.
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bond007
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:14 pm

Quoting Dw747400 (Reply 28):
I'm not talking practice approaches here!

LOL ... sorry .. misinterpreted that one!

I'll let you have that excuse then  Smile

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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:59 am

Approx $190NZ (about 68 GBP) per hour all-in (i.e. a/c hire, fuel, tuition and landing fees). Add to that when undertaking to take the full PPL course you get automatic free membership of the aero-club. IMO great value for money.
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cerretaman
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:08 am

$103/hour for a pretty new Piper Warrior. (the Warrior III's have moving GPS and stuff..it's tight)

$40/hour for my instructor.
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ALexeu
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:52 pm



Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 1):
Between £110 and £117 per hour for a PA-38 Traumahawk.

Damn the fuel prices, i can remember when it was 80 quid an hour!

Did you practice stall in Traumahawk ?  fight 
 
aviator1990
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:12 am

I pay or used to pay  Smile $205/hr but now I get discounts for being LEFT HANDED. Can you believe it. I was in SHOCK. American truly is an amazing country.
 
dw747400
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:21 pm



Quoting Aviator1990 (Reply 35):
I get discounts for being LEFT HANDED.

There are some bennefits for being left handed when you fly, but you are going to need to explain how that translates into cheaper lessons!
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united757
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:34 am

I fly out of ORL...

$135/hr wet for a 172SP G1000

$48 for the instructor
 
bond007
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:43 pm



Quoting Aviator1990 (Reply 35):
$205/hr but now I get discounts for being LEFT HANDED.

Well, you need a discount to be in line with the average rates!

What aircraft is that for?? Single Piston???

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Mir
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:34 am



Quoting Dw747400 (Reply 36):
Quoting Aviator1990 (Reply 35):
I get discounts for being LEFT HANDED.

There are some bennefits for being left handed when you fly, but you are going to need to explain how that translates into cheaper lessons!

Probably one of those scholarships given out by groups of long-oppressed left-handed people (or left-handed people who think they're long-oppressed) so that other left-handed people could achieve their dreams.

Heck, if the money's out there....

-Mir
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:35 pm



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 38):
What aircraft is that for??

its for the C172.

I got this scholarship from the my schools college counselor.
 
bond007
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:51 pm



Quoting Aviator1990 (Reply 40):
its for the C172.

Then I hope your 'left handed' discount is 50% ... otherwise you're being taken for a ride ... in a very expenseive 172.



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citationjet
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:52 pm

Here is the best deal in the country:
Cessna Employees' Flying Club, Wichita, KS

172S - $50/hr
172RG - $63.00/hr
182T - $69.00/hr
T182 - $75.00/hr
206H - $89.00/hr
T206H - $99.00/hr

All rates hourmeter and include fuel, all aircraft except 172RG are G1000 equipped.

Monthly dues: $22.50
CFI: $25.00/hr

Total cost to get PPL, including 172 rental (60 hrs), scheduling fee, instructor fee (40 hours), G1000 ground school, dues, medical, supplies, checkride fee, sales tax, and company's reimbursement for ground school, solo and license: US$3,200.
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:06 am



Quoting CitationJet (Reply 42):
All rates hourmeter and include fuel, all aircraft except 172RG are G1000 equipped.

That is very cheap for this...

http://www.se.cessna.com/g1000/images/wallpaper/182panel_04_big.jpg


But what happens if one day you need to fly this....?

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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:13 am



Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 43):
But what happens if one day you need to fly this....?

I believe the flying club kept one of the "steam guage" 172s for that purpose. However everything being produced now is G1000.

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bond007
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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:08 am



Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 43):
That is very cheap for this...

Not really, for the company flying club, for the company that manufacturers the aircraft, where presumably you have to be an employee.

Not quite representative of the 'average' rate  Wink

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RE: How Much Are Your Flying Lessons?

Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:16 am

$130-ish for new 2007 NAVIII C172Ss. $160-ish if dual.

Our Seminoles are $250, and are dual only (unless you're a ME-CFI for the school, in which case they're $200 if you rent them solo)
They have a six pack but a nice avionics package.

We are getting DA-42s to replace them, so they should be a bit cheaper.

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