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Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:22 am

What are the best known widebody models (add ons) for FS 2004? I've picked up the A330 from Project Opensky but am not really all that impressed with it. Any really good tri-jets? Doesn't matter if it is free or payware.
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:58 am

Payware - PMDG's 744 has to be one of the best known.

Freeware - I don't know. After a few years of using PMDG's 737 and 744 and, to a lesser extent, the PSS A330/340 Pro, freeware aircraft have always disappointed me. I'm sure there are exceptions but, on the whole, if you want to enjoy freeware aircraft, don't buy any good payware.  Smile
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:59 pm

Check out Project Open Sky for some pretty nice freeware airliners. Their website is http://www.projectopensky.com/
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:35 pm

Perosnally, I'm too cheap to pay for any add ons, so for me POSKY's B767 is by far one of my favourites.
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:32 pm

Quoting David L (Reply 1):
I'm sure there are exceptions but, on the whole, if you want to enjoy freeware aircraft, don't buy any good payware.

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The Level D 767-300 is probably my favorite.
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:41 pm

I enjoy the iFDG MD11, not sure how realistic it is, but the model is pretty good I think.
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:32 am

Quoting Brianb10 (Reply 2):
Check out Project Open Sky for some pretty nice freeware airliners.

I've messed with the A330 and was honestly not too impressed with it. I'm probably going to make the mistake of going payware and forever be stuck paying for models  Smile
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:42 am

Quoting David L (Reply 1):
Payware - PMDG's 744 has to be one of the best known.

Please tell me this isn't a Euro price.

http://www.precisionmanuals.com/Prod...wPrd.asp?idcategory=12&idproduct=6

54.99 for a model? Is that right? Can anyone that has used this model chime in? Compared to the other 744 models out is it worth the money?
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:30 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 7):
Please tell me this isn't a Euro price.

http://www.precisionmanuals.com/Prod...wPrd.asp?idcategory=12&idproduct=6

54.99 for a model? Is that right? Can anyone that has used this model chime in? Compared to the other 744 models out is it worth the money?

The price is in Euro's. PMDG switched from US$ to Euro's a while back.

When I bought it over a year ago the price was 54.99, but in USD. PMDG switched the currency to Euro's but held the price "the same" at 54.99. Which at today's exhange rates is about $80 USD. It was effectively a 45% price increase.

I thought the $55 price under USD was worth it. It is an awesome plane and pretty much the only one I fly anymore. It may still be worth it at $80, its just lame that they pulled that currency switching stunt.

Edited to add: It is certainly better than any other 744 model out there. No doubt about it.

[Edited 2007-11-05 17:31:40]
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:39 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 7):
Quoting David L (Reply 1):
Payware - PMDG's 744 has to be one of the best known.

Please tell me this isn't a Euro price.

http://www.precisionmanuals.com/Prod...wPrd.asp?idcategory=12&idproduct=6

54.99 for a model? Is that right?

Why would they lie?

Quoting Indy (Reply 7):
Can anyone that has used this model chime in?

Someone like me, for example (FS2004 version)?

Quoting Indy (Reply 7):
Compared to the other 744 models out is it worth the money?

It depends on how much quality you want. Nothing else has the same quality and features as the PMDG version... nothing.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 4):
The Level D 767-300 is probably my favorite.

I haven't tried it but I've heard a lot of good things about it. Do they have an FSX version yet?
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:00 am

Quoting David L (Reply 9):
Why would they lie?

I'm not saying its a lie. What I'm asking is if that is 54.99 Euro and not 54.99 of some other currency that was maybe less than $60 USD  Smile I wasn't 100% sure what the Euro currency symbol looked like.

Quoting BrianHames (Reply 8):

I thought the $55 price under USD was worth it. It is an awesome plane and pretty much the only one I fly anymore.

That is a pretty strong endorsement. I may have to give it a go. I don't mind spending the money on it if its just about the best out.
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting Indy (Thread starter):
2004? I've picked up the A330 from Project Opensky but am not really all that impressed with it.

U serious? I absolutly love that model. What do u find wrong with it?
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:01 am

Some of the ones I use:
Level D 767
CLS A330
PSS 777, 757
Overland A319, A321, A345, A346, 747, 777

The Level D 767 is incredible, virtually every button in the cockpit can be toggled or clicked.
The PSS planes are great too, but some textures are screwed up on mine and the cockpits don't seem to be working.
the CLS and Overland planes are great too, some more flight deck interaction like with the Level D 767 would be nice with them as well though.

I would recommend any of these planes, but I dunno if their worth some of the prices they are given. Your probably best off getting them from a friend or "finding" them somewheres else.

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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:35 am

Quoting NwAflyer07 (Reply 11):
U serious? I absolutly love that model. What do u find wrong with it?

My biggest issue is following install docs exactly and something not working. Like when I install the A330 model and try and get the NW paint to work. The instrument panel looks just like every other plane.

I do have a question for you since you use it. How the heck do you get the cargo door to open? The docs reference three key strokes. I don't get the expected results. Honestly I have the same problems when I push back. I can't turn left or right when pushing back.

How do you get "Shift+E+2" to actually open cargo doors?
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:23 am

Pay for scenery, not planes.  Smile
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:39 am

I've put down I think about $200 so far on scenery. I have more I want to get. Best thing though in my opinion so far is Ultimate Traffic. I wish I could remember the name of that more realistic ATC package that you can get. What comes with FS 2004 blows. I've seen a trio of tailgaters coming in for a landing. There was barely a jet space between them. Also I want to avoid all planes using one runway when there are parallels. I ran into that problem in CVG and LAS. I could literally sit there all day and never get a chance to take off.
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:49 am

I have PMDG 744, LVLD 767 and PSSA340 as my widebody payware ( PMDG 738/9 and PSS 757 aswell). I would only buy the 767 now. PMDG 744 is too expensive and PSSA340 is just very old, I've seen freeware with better VC's and the model isn't too good.

Quoting Indy (Reply 7):
Can anyone that has used this model chime in? Compared to the other 744 models out is it worth the money?

I bought my copy for AU$110 plus postage from the US. I wouldn't buy it now, too much, you could buy one off ebay if you want. Another thing, if you know someone else who has it just borrow theirs and install it. Its excellent but not worth its cost considering its age.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 14):
Pay for scenery, not planes. Smile

I don't see the point of buying scenery unless it's an airport you use LOTS. Buying a scenery because it looks good even though you know nothing about the airport and have never flown there seems stupid.

Quoting Indy (Reply 15):
I wish I could remember the name of that more realistic ATC package that you can get.

That would be Radar Contact. I don't like it very much, you have to go through the whole flight and another thing is that it says that it changes the AI for you. But the default ATC is still working, they say just turn the volume off. The default ATC still controls AI and it still constantly screws up. Then you have the problems that your plane tells you that you're on course while it's saying you're way off.

While Radar Contact is good, not god enough to warrant the AU$60 it cost.
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:20 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 10):
What I'm asking is if that is 54.99 Euro and not 54.99 of some other currency that was maybe less than $60 USD

Ah, that makes sense - oops.  Smile
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:35 pm

I would chime in for the LDS 767, a great aircraft. I have also recently purchased the FT/Wilco Airbus series 2 (330/340) and find it to be a pretty good aircraft set. It is alot cheaper than the LDS/PMDG aircraft, and works pretty good.

I can't wait for the PMDG MD-11 or the Xsimulate DC-10, I love the tri-jets!!
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:53 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 13):
How do you get "Shift+E+2" to actually open cargo doors?

Ive never had problems opening the cargo door. I just press shift + e like im opening the main door. Then as soon as i let go of both keys i press 2 a split second later.

Installation, i agree, is pretty complicated. I usually just go nice and slow so as not to miss a step. Im perhaps too motivated cause ive been known to spend hours trying to get things to work right as well as type out a 2 page paper for new simmers on how to download aircarft and sound! I even went as far as making my own airline with repaints and flightplans in fs2004.... lol too much time on my hands back then.
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:21 pm

For the A330-200 ,look for the Flightcraft package.
For the A340-300 ,look for aerodesigns complete package (VC, phenomenal sound package and very good cockpit functions)
For the old A300 B-series, go for SGA model married with Benoit Gaurant's panel and a good freeware CF6 sound package.
For the newer A300-600 series and the A310, go for the HNAC package and Harald Nehrings panel.
For a freeware 747, try the recently released RFP747-200 which used to be payware and is one of my favorites.
For an MD11 try the SMS MD11 (with VC).
For the 767 there is the excellent POSKY V4 that you can marry with an excellent 767 panel available on AVSIM and Flightsim (sorry but the name of the developer just slipped out of my mind).
One of the most complicated packages available as freeware is the Ifly 747-400 which comes with full working cockpit (incl. FMC) and good models (with VC) and sound packages,mind you it is a bit tricky to install right.


Everything I just listed is available for free on all the known sites.
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:02 pm

I would definately recommend the PMDG 747-400. It sucks that it costs so much, but there's so much you can do with it. Virtually every button is "clickable" (and most are operative), there are also little fun hidden things to fool around with, it has a great/realistic fueling system, virtual cabin, PHENOMENAL soundset, and in my opinion a smoother, less jagged cockpit/VC than the LD767.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 16):
I bought my copy for AU$110 plus postage from the US. I wouldn't buy it now, too much, you could buy one off ebay if you want. Another thing, if you know someone else who has it just borrow theirs and install it. Its excellent but not worth its cost considering its age.

I would disagree. It was designed for FS2004, designed over 4 years ago. Considering most people still use FS9, its one of the best add-ons out there, and PMDG is very generous with providing free updates (sound sets, livery, Nav data).
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 13):

My biggest issue is following install docs exactly and something not working. Like when I install the A330 model and try and get the NW paint to work. The instrument panel looks just like every other plane.

Thats because it is  Yeah sure , you have to install a panel for it. I have to say that posky beats 99% of the payware out there. You should have a go with their new 747v4 its amazing, the animation on it is incredible. Hiroshi(the modeler) has decided to make many of the parts of it user controlled s if you dont like the way the gear is animated then you can change it with the .xml files. But if you cant be bothered to put the effort into making the sim good yourself and you just want to press install and have all the things there then payware packages are probably what you need. personally I think you can get better aircraft on the whole with freeware put together correctly than withn payware.

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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:04 am

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 21):
PMDG is very generous with providing free updates

Really? I've never even heard of anything like that.

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 21):
I would disagree. It was designed for FS2004, designed over 4 years ago. Considering most people still use FS9, its one of the best add-ons out there,

The stuff that's coming out now is pretty good and much cheaper. You pay a fifth of what you pay for PMDG 744 and get something that on par with the PMDG product. Don't g

Quoting Flipdewaf (Reply 22):

The problem there is that many people want panels. Its all well and good to look at it but its hard to fly on VATSIM etc without a proper panel.
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:08 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 23):
You pay a fifth of what you pay for PMDG 744 and get something that on par with the PMDG produc

Really? Such as?
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:08 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 23):
The problem there is that many people want panels. Its all well and good to look at it but its hard to fly on VATSIM etc without a proper panel.

Alias a good panel to it then. There's loads out there it just means 5 mins of effort.

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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:58 am

My favorites for FS2004 -

Level D 763 - Amazing aircraft, panels, FMC - everything works great. Order a copy of Angle Of Attack 767 to go with it so you can fully utilize the aircraft!

Captain Sim 757 - 5 stars, one of my favorites, but I had to improvise a new soundset (I am on and in 757's almost daily and know what the real ones sound like)

Wilco 737 - Very nice bird, has some real-world quirks about it which make it a great bird to fly

CSS A300's - Very nice, but fairly simple

PMDG 737 NG's - Extremely nice, but lack of wing flex irritates me to no end

PMDG Beech 1900C / 1900D - I have hours in the King Air, and these birds are perfect. Not a single detail was missed.

PMDG 747 - Outstanding aircraft, but I rarely fly it as my throttle quadrant is configured for 2 engined heavy jet

Jet City MD80 - Nice visual model, but no panel or VC

Flight 1 Conquest, CitationJet - Nice g/a models, fairly accurate dynamics, good VC's

Wilco E135 Legacy - Very nice and very accurate, highly detailed VC. I wish they'd do a 170 / 190!

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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:27 am



Quoting David L (Reply 24):

Ok, use of hyperbole there but many add-ons are of exceptional quality, for much less. I'd say a recent add-on better than the PMDG 744 would be Fly th Maddog 2006. From what I've read in reviews that systems are amazingly modelled, although it doesn't have a VC, everything else makes up for that and it will be sent out when completed., for AU$73.

Quoting Flipdewaf (Reply 25):

I've found many great freeware panels exist, they don't have quite the documentation required, the graphics are never as good. Then you have the support and updates from payware.
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:49 am

POSKY has released version 4 of the 747-400 today:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1410/94591080nc9.jpg

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/2734/46667485mv8.jpg

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/1933/fsscr019xz8.jpg

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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:29 pm

737NG----POSKY
757---------POSKY
777---------MelJet
747---------POSKY

Hate all the Airbus freeware models.
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:54 pm

A330: Posky / Overland
A340: Posky is very good
A340 NG/ Overland-CLS (are the same)
A380: Overland
B744: PMDG (i don´t own it since is extremely expensive but i´ve read several good reviews of it) / Posky (for me it works perfectly)
B747-100-200-300_: Posky
B767: Posky
B737NG: Posky
B757: Posky
B777: Meljet / Overland

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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:33 am

A300/310 : HNAC (Free, and very detailed)
A319-A321/A330/A340 - Wilco. Hands-down, best
A380 : Overland
B707/B727 : CaptainSim all the way.
B732 : Tinmouse. Freaking sweet and free.
B733-B735 : 50N with the Wilco panel merged. You won't be disappointed.
B737NG : PMDG. With the 8/9 add-on it's like a flying sex machine.
B747-100-200-300 : Aerosim, if you can still find it.
B744 : PMDG all the way, if you can afford it..
B757 : PSS, you won't be disappointed.
B767 : LDS. The panel is kind of odd looking at first compared to the PSS 75 but it's still good.
B777 : PSS again. Really, really detailed and worth it.


E170 : Dreamwings (free, plus there's a great panel for it)
E145 : Dreamwings (Free)
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:30 am



Quoting ZTagged (Reply 31):
B767 : LDS. The panel is kind of odd looking at first compared to the PSS 75 but it's still good.

That is one of my complaints about the LDS 767. You get people raving about how absolutely awesome it is. I personally believe the PSS 757 panel is SOOOOOO much better. The VC is actually 3D not just the 2D overhead copied into the platform. The FMC can actually be seen in the VC without clicking on it, sure for many the yoke can get in the way but you can always just press Shift-? and it will pop up. Adds much more realism. Although you don't have the much loved ground handler, F/A and retarded co-pilot.

ZTagged I'd have to say the Ready for Pushback 742 is pretty good, fairly detailed modelling of systems although the exterior model is crap.
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:19 pm



Quoting ZTagged (Reply 31):
A319-A321/A330/A340 - Wilco. Hands-down, best

Are you kindding? The models are awful. Overland all the way as far as I'm concerned.

Having said that, Project Airbus has a fantastic A320, and the A319's on the way.
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:18 pm

I just finish a new flight with PMDG747 from BOS to CDG and i must say that it kicks some much ass. i was a hardcore pss 777 fan but after spending many hours in long haul with PMDG747 i have to admit that it's the most realistic payware aicraft for fs9 . but Opensky aircaft are not bad too
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:19 am

For the trijets, check out vistaliners. Most of their planes are in development, or have few paints as of yet, but they are looking very nice, and they are freeware.

http://www.eastern-va.com/vistaliners/downloads2.htm
 
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:12 am



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 5):

I downloaded the FedEx version of it and it was terrible! I'm glad you had better luck.
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RE: Best FS 2004 Widebody Models?

Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:53 am



Quoting Flipdewaf (Reply 22):
You should have a go with their new 747v4 its amazing

The model is great but the only issue i have with it is that it sucks at turning. Thats why i went back to the V2's unless they might fix the V4's?
 
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