GCDEG
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Advice On New PC For FS

Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:33 pm

Hey all!

My current PC is about 5 years old now and I'm looking for some help as I'm considering getting a new PC mainly to run FS (FS9 and maybe FSX performance depending). I'm looking at the Dell XPS 720 series and an Alienware system. I know that Alienware is owned by Dell but wanted to know if anyone has any experience with Alienware (or the Dell 720 for that matter) and if they are good machines to run FS on with most of the settings medium to high. Also does FS run better with two graphics cards together like 2X512MB or one single 768MB for example and is an AMD better than Intel?

Any input from anyone in the know would be great!

Thanks GCDEG
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RE: Advice On New PC For FS

Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:06 pm

Hey there,

IIRC there has been many threads about new Computer when FSX was published. Try to use the search function to get some information there.

I bought a new PC in november 2007 and its a "normal" PC, no high end hardcore mega super machine Big grin But FSX runs okish on it with scenery to highest and runs smooth at a medium level.
And now I dont use FSX anymore, too annoying, but thats a different story  Wink

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RE: Advice On New PC For FS

Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:28 pm



Quoting GCDEG (Thread starter):

Hey, on my PC FSX works flawlessly but I guess I haven't yet started to fly to America, just the SIngapore - Europe and Singapore - Delhi flights.

My specs are
Quad Core 2.4GHz
4GB ram, but only 3.25 gets recognized. I plan to install linux soon which I have heard it can use all 4gb therefore I went with that
8800GTX graphics card
XPS 420

One thing I can tell you is that this PC I feel is sufficient for consumers who enjoy playing FSX at good settings, if you are looking to go all out with the XPS 720 or Alienware than you should have no problems with this PC. Also the 9xxx series is coming out from nvidia so if you can wait than do so.

Lastly you are in Malaysia, are you sure you can buy the XPS 720 or Alienware, because AFAIK the Malyasia and Singapore sites sell the exact same thing because everything in Singapore if from Malaysia.

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 1):
And now I dont use FSX anymore, too annoying, but thats a different story

That's because you don't need to, you are licensed to fly the real thing!
 
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RE: Advice On New PC For FS

Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:03 pm

FS9 will work well with pretty much any mid-range machine on the market. If FS9 (or even FSX with low/med settings) is your goal, stay away from those huge markups on Alienware and the top of the line XPS systems.

Big issues from my experience:
CPU: Obviously faster is better, I believe Intel still has a slight performance lead but neither manufacturer will let you down. Multi-core is about all you can get now--and FSX can use quad-core processors (though it tends to put more load on the first two in my experience). I don't know about FS9.

RAM: More is better--especially if you are running VISTA. Keep in mind if you are using Vista or XP x86, there is no real point in getting more than 3gb of ram--Vista/XP x64 based systems may see a gain with 4gb or more. On my system, Vista generally eats up about 1 gig itself, and FSX will take another 1.5, Keep in mind, these are rough averages--both sometimes use more. By the way, if I had to do it over again, I would have invested in higher quality RAM rather than just lots of RAM. I don't have much experience with it, but I think better timings could boost my performance.

Graphics: NVIDIA 8800 series reigns supreme at this time. I personally have not tried FSX with duel GPUs, but based on what I've read I decided to invest in a single high-end GPU. Some of the new 8800 models (the GS I think?) are have only marginal performance decreases when compared to the top of the line GTX and ULTRA, but cost a fraction as much. Great place to save some money if you don't need every ounce of performance!

To get an FS optimized system at a reasonable price, I'd suggest building it yourself or looking for a firm that builds highly customized machines. If you have the cash, the big Dell XPSs are some of the best on the market. If you are willing to take a bit of performance hit on FSX (still good with FS9), look at a midrange model from Dell or another manufacturer--more convenient than building it yourself and the price for what you get is much more reasonable.

Anyways, my 2 cents....
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RE: Advice On New PC For FS

Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:45 pm

FSX Relies heavily on CPU power. Get at least :

3Ghz Processor (Dual Core)
2GB RAM
512MB Graphics Card

and you're set to go.
 
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RE: Advice On New PC For FS

Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:28 am

It all comes down to how much you are willing to spend.

I have an Intel Q6600 on a Foxconn mainboard, 4GB of 800MHz ram with a Geforce 8800 GTS (320MB) graphics card running Vista Home Premium. This setup runs FS9 superbly (I have it set at 40fps and it spends most of its time at this rate), but struggles with some scenery on FSX. I am overclocking the CPU from 2.4 to about 2.8Ghz, which appears to make some difference, but around heavy scenery like London, New york or Tokyo it still really struggles.

To upgrade what I have would increase the system cost significantly. For example, a Geforce 8800 Ultra is about 3 x the price of the 8800 GTS, and the ultimate CPU at the moment would be an Intel QX9650, which comes in at 4-5 x the price of the Q6600. GPU and CPU combined price alone for top of the range would be about AU$2,600 (about US$2,250), compared to the AU$850 (US$750) that I spent on my current components. I can only go on what I have seen on YouTube, but don't think the performance step from what I have to the higher components is worth the $ at this stage.

I also believe that FSX does not support multiple GPU's (eg. Nvidia SLI technology), and I still have some reservations about it fully supporting multi-cored CPU's.

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RE: Advice On New PC For FS

Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:55 am

my dad has a 6 year old dell with 768 mb of mem, and a 256mb vid card, not very impressive but some how FSX works w/o any problems with things set at the highest, i just got him a new imac so hopefully it works ok through boot camp
 
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RE: Advice On New PC For FS

Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:21 am



Quoting Ag92 (Reply 2):
That's because you don't need to, you are licensed to fly the real thing!

MAybe, but I am still using the FS9 a lot! Flying under bridges, doing spins, landing on aircraft carrier  bigthumbsup  cannot be done in real life Big grin

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GCDEG
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RE: Advice On New PC For FS

Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:23 pm

Thanks a lot everybody for your responses. After a lot of debating between the two I decided to order the Dell XPS 720 with specs similar to Ag92's so I'll let you know how I get on with it.

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 1):
IIRC there has been many threads about new Computer when FSX was published. Try to use the search function to get some information there

Thanks I had a look at all of them but none had the info I was looking for.

Quoting Ag92 (Reply 2):
Lastly you are in Malaysia, are you sure you can buy the XPS 720 or Alienware, because AFAIK the Malyasia and Singapore sites sell the exact same thing because everything in Singapore if from Malaysia

I actually stay in the UK but spent 2 months in Malaysia so the flag is for sentimental value  Wink

Thanks again.

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RE: Advice On New PC For FS

Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:25 pm



Quoting GCDEG (Reply 8):
Thanks I had a look at all of them but none had the info I was looking for.

Hmm, ok, sorry... I thought maybe it would've been in there!

sorry, that I cannot help you out more! I am not very good in this Computer stuff Big grin

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GCDEG
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RE: Advice On New PC For FS

Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:33 pm



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 9):
Hmm, ok, sorry... I thought maybe it would've been in there!

That's ok. Most of the stuff was to do with laptops and didn't mention anything about dual GPU's etc. Not to worry the stuff everyone replied to was great!

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 9):
sorry, that I cannot help you out more! I am not very good in this Computer stuff

Guess nothing beats the real thing you lucky so and so! Big grin

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RE: Advice On New PC For FS

Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:42 pm



Quoting GCDEG (Reply 10):
Guess nothing beats the real thing you lucky so and so! Big grin

Nope, nothings better than the real thing  Wink Big grin

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