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Avsim Hacked

Wed May 13, 2009 12:41 pm

sad sad day:

Quote:

PRESS RELEASE: AVSIM Hacked!!

Tom Allensworth, CEO and Publisher of AVSIM, today issued the following announcement; “We regret to inform the flight simulation community that on Tuesday, May 12, AVSIM was hacked and effectively destroyed. The method of the hack makes recovery difficult, if not impossible, to recover from. Both servers, that is the library / email and web site / forum servers were attacked. AVSIM is totally offline at this time and we expect to be so for some time to come. We are not able to predict when we will be back online, if we can come back at all. We will post more news as we are able to in the coming days and weeks. END

Best Regards,
Tom Allensworth

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RE: Avsim Hacked

Wed May 13, 2009 12:42 pm

What?! Why would someone do this?  Sad So many people put so much time and effort into that site.
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Wed May 13, 2009 1:51 pm

For me this is pure terrorism. An important and prominet website of our community gets switched off. There is so much cyber - terrorism around us.

One lesson I learned myself a while ago and now again. Do not rely on mirrors as only backup. AVSIM, as Tom reported elsewhere, was running on two servers, one for the forums, one for the library, each backing up the other. Since both lost their file systems in this attack, they do not know what they can recover as of now.
Mirrors are good for daily backing up, but all data that you haven't on at least two cold backups well stored away are lost data. I hope this experience tells the other operators to check how they have organized their backups.
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Wed May 13, 2009 2:30 pm

Avsim also host downloads from other flight sim websites so this will be such a loss to the flight sim community as a whole if they cannot retrieve their files.

If this is a deliberate act I hope they find who the perp was who did it and (if it's possible) bring legal action against them.
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Wed May 13, 2009 4:02 pm

Oh no!! that's the reason why I could not access the site this morning.

This would be a HUGE loss to the community and I hope they can get it back up again.

And to the people who did this to AVSIM I hope you get a whole AN225 shoved up your....  gnasher 

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RE: Avsim Hacked

Wed May 13, 2009 6:38 pm

That's too bad, Sorry to hear about it.

I haven't used FSX in over a year. I just got tired dealing with all of the little issues FSX/Vista had. At some point it started being more work than fun. But when I was still a heavy MSFS user I used AVSIM multiple times a day. In fact AVSIM was the reason I first got broadband.
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Wed May 13, 2009 7:40 pm

and they didnt bother keeping a backup?? Quite frankly they deserve to never return if that is the way they run their business!
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Wed May 13, 2009 8:24 pm

WOW

Its been a bit slow the last few days, and saw it was down this morning, but never realized the extent of it.
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Wed May 13, 2009 9:30 pm

Sweet lord..if the entire file library is indeed lost, that would be the biggest loss for the Flight Simulator community ever. Unimaginable. I really, really, REALLY hope they can restore the file library.

[Edited 2009-05-13 14:31:12]
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Wed May 13, 2009 10:00 pm

Tom Allensworth has set up a temporary forum, to be found here:

http://linux.myalbemarle.org/forums/index.php

it does look like the entire file library is gone forever though..this is the saddest event ever for the FS community.
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Wed May 13, 2009 10:01 pm

At least the closing of ACES could have been reversed when the economy recovers. The loss of AVSIM would truly be tragic for the hobby, the knowledge base is irreplaceable. At least the scope of employment loss is minimal in comparison.

2009 is shaping up to be a really bad year for flightsim.

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RE: Avsim Hacked

Wed May 13, 2009 11:28 pm

This really sucks. I hope they recover and members including me don't get any serious effects from the hacker.
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Thu May 14, 2009 12:54 am

Who in their right mind would do something like this? This is extremely sad. I really hope that AVSIM will recover, otherwise this will be a enormous loss for every FS user.
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Thu May 14, 2009 2:52 am

Wow it really is dead. Talk about a hacker with nothing better to do. You'd think they'd be more interested in screwing with companies or governments. Maybe it was just practice for something bigger and worse they have planned. Who knows.
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Thu May 14, 2009 3:11 am

This is one of my saddest days as an FS user. Thoughts certainly go out to Tom and company.

Question, not at all to downplay the event, but it seems with each person that has created the files, all they would have to do is "re-upload" their files. Obviously, with so many files, not all of them could be, but it seems like if they could set up another file library, people would bring their stuff back.

 optimist 

This is a really sad day for all FlightSim enthusiasts.

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RE: Avsim Hacked

Thu May 14, 2009 5:35 am



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 6):
and they didnt bother keeping a backup?? Quite frankly they deserve to never return if that is the way they run their business!

Thanks for the show of support.

When they do come back and get up and running, I hope that you don't feel obligated what-so-ever to download any files.
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Thu May 14, 2009 6:25 am

Thats very sad. Yes they could have done a backup but we are all human and you know when you are doing an essay or long post and you think *i will be fine* and lose connection once you have done the last paragraoh before hitting save you cant go back in time and save, so its probably like that, on a larger scale though.

Also it can bhe annoying saving and saving after a small sentence and then someone might post saying what the heck are you on about lol.

Hope Avsim will bounce back quickly and efficiently.
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Thu May 14, 2009 8:42 am

I have nearly all the files I downloaded saved, and will gladly upload them to give something back.

This site helped me explore the FS world, and make it better then when it came out of the box.
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Thu May 14, 2009 11:05 am



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 6):
and they didnt bother keeping a backup?? Quite frankly they deserve to never return if that is the way they run their business!

I can't believe anyone could ever say such a thing.  Sad

My best wishes go to Tom A. and the others running Avsim. I hope they can recover it.
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Thu May 14, 2009 11:09 am



Quoting Sinlock (Reply 5):
I used AVSIM multiple times a day.

Same here, both visiting and posting on the forums, and downloading from the library. I also have done some work in the past as a front page news editor for AVSIM. I was, to put it very mildly, shocked when I found out yesterday morning about what had happened.

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RE: Avsim Hacked

Thu May 14, 2009 11:27 am



Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 14):

Question, not at all to downplay the event, but it seems with each person that has created the files, all they would have to do is "re-upload" their files. Obviously, with so many files, not all of them could be, but it seems like if they could set up another file library, people would bring their stuff back.

But didn't they also host support forums? There must be a lot of useful stuff lost there.

As far as FS downloads go, there's still FlightSim. If they haven't done so already, I hope they're taking steps to ensure it doesn't happen to them.
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Thu May 14, 2009 12:16 pm

It is a very sad day indeed and only shows that some people in this world, will do anything to get ahead or get revenge....

I, hope for one, AVSIM does come back, bigger and stronger and the files that perhaps are lost can either be recovered or re-uploaded..

Ill be glad to upload files i got from AVSIM for the past 4-5 years back on the websites (as many others have said) to make sure the library is back and people can have these files for their use.
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Thu May 14, 2009 1:52 pm



Quoting Cpd (Reply 18):
Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 6):
and they didnt bother keeping a backup?? Quite frankly they deserve to never return if that is the way they run their business!

I can't believe anyone could ever say such a thing.

I agree with Nighthawk. How on earth were they going without backup?
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Thu May 14, 2009 6:28 pm

Although I think it was silly of them not to keep a backup of the site, I can't help but feel at such a loss. So many of my free-bees come from Avsim, and I'm sure all the other avid FSers out there will agree that it is the little things we pick up from places like Avsim that makes our FS, our own personal FS.

My laptop died a couple of days ago and with it took all of my Avsim downloads. I'm totally shocked someone would do something like this. Why not destroy something worth destruction like Kiddie Porn sites or something?  Angry

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RE: Avsim Hacked

Thu May 14, 2009 6:47 pm

I've downloaded hundreds of files from that site and uploaded a few of my own. I was devastated when I found out what happened because I visited that site almost everyday and got so much helpful advice from the forums. I think the whole reason I enjoy simming so much was because of that site and the files they hosted. I feel bad for Tom and his guys, they put countless hours into what they enjoyed and some lowlife just comes and wipes it all out.
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Thu May 14, 2009 7:06 pm

It made BBC News...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8049780.stm

I must admit I mainly used simviation for my downloads, but there was some real gold on avsim...
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Thu May 14, 2009 8:59 pm

From the artical..
<I>Mr Davis said he thought the site still had a future:

I'm sure Avsim will rise like a phoenix from the ashes and will be bigger and better then before." </I>

A very optimistic thought, but I don't see how all the Legacy FS98, 2000, 2002 or even half 2004 files will be restored.

Quoting Pawsleykat (Reply 23):
I'm totally shocked someone would do something like this. Why not destroy something worth destruction like Kiddie Porn sites or something?

I'm sure within the Hack comiunity this guy is now a legend. As for the second part of your question...Porn sites (even kiddie) have much larger resorces and funding dedicated to their security and protection, AVSIM's main income was Adds and a % of Software sales.
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Fri May 15, 2009 2:25 pm



Quoting 9VSIO (Reply 25):
It made BBC News...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8049780.stm

I must admit I mainly used simviation for my downloads, but there was some real gold on avsim...

Oh wow, more impressive, it made Slashdot! (good thing the site is already down or it would be by now!):

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/15/0138204&art_pos=8
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Fri May 15, 2009 7:37 pm



Quoting 9VSIO (Reply 25):

I use simviation most of the time as well, but there were some great files hosted on AvSim.

It's horrible for the community in general.
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Fri May 15, 2009 10:03 pm

First of all, I am extremely sad to hear the news - AVSIM is a truly fantastic website.

Now...

Who is in charge of investigating the case? I mean is there any authority?

If so, who? Is it a British, American 'internet' Police force?
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Fri May 15, 2009 11:01 pm

And to those whining about them not having backups, they did have backups, but they only backed up between the two servers, and with them both wiped out, well, there's nowhere to backup from. Sad but true.
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Sat May 16, 2009 10:03 am



Quoting SierraAir (Reply 15):
When they do come back and get up and running, I hope that you don't feel obligated what-so-ever to download any files.

dont worry - i wont. I always use flightsim.com anyway, I find it to be a much better site.

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 30):
And to those whining about them not having backups, they did have backups, but they only backed up between the two servers, and with them both wiped out, well, there's nowhere to backup from. Sad but true.

.. which is just pointless. If you dont want to lose your keys, you dont make a copy and put them on the same keyring - you keep them somewhere different.

Its not hard to take a backup once a month or so to prevent you losing the lot.
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Sat May 16, 2009 9:35 pm

Those hackers had to have known they weren't backing up properly.
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Sun May 17, 2009 1:15 pm

That really sucks.People need to get a life and put their computer skills to good use instead of that b.s. I liked avsim,visited it almost everyday. Their search-engine made it easy to find ai repaints,but flightsim's made it easier to search ai flightplans. Hope it gets back and running soon.
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Sun May 17, 2009 6:17 pm



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 6):
and they didnt bother keeping a backup?? Quite frankly they deserve to never return if that is the way they run their business!



Quoting Danny (Reply 22):
I agree with Nighthawk. How on earth were they going without backup?

Jeez - talking about shooting a dead horse

To both of you - you make a valid point but you show a complete lack of greatfulness to the AVSIM team for running such a great site. Also, it is not a business as such as it was not a profit making business (as far as I know) and was run by VOLUNTEERS. Creating an external backup can cost a lot of money, which perhaps they didn't have.

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RE: Avsim Hacked

Mon May 18, 2009 11:40 am

Coming to terms with the fact that there are terrible people in the world, we all have to deal with loss. This was an excellent resource for many things to which personally I will now be without performing simulations.

Instead of dwelling on the bad news, I wish to thank AvSim.com for providing me with such excellent service and downloads which I have used many times in my PC Flight Simulation career. I wish them a speedy recovery and look forward to the day when they are re-established.

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RE: Avsim Hacked

Mon May 18, 2009 12:07 pm



Quoting Astockla (Reply 34):

Jeez - talking about shooting a dead horse

Agreed. And you know what - I don't know how many people would even bother attempting to continue after this.

But I met Mr Allensworth some time ago, a quietly spoken, genuinely modest person. I didn't realise who it was until someone told me. To which my response was, "the one who runs Avsim?" And his enthusiasm for computer flight simulators was very, very obvious.

I also wish them a speedy recovery. Smile
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Tue May 19, 2009 4:35 pm

Anyone else know of a good site to download ai repaints? flightsim.com isn't the best for these.
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Wed May 20, 2009 7:04 am

From the crew at Mach-1 Design Group, we would like to show our support and hope that Avsim can get back up and running better than ever. We think Avsim was second-to-none with what they offered the flight sim community. It's sad that some people have to ruin a good thing for so many others.
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Wed May 20, 2009 4:38 pm

AIG 's site has a place to donate for avsim's recovery fund. I gave em $20 . It's the least i could do for a site I used everyday. if they need more,I'll give em more.
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Wed May 20, 2009 8:41 pm



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 6):
and they didnt bother keeping a backup??



Quoting Danny (Reply 22):
I agree with Nighthawk. How on earth were they going without backup?

Both of you....if you read this.....

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 2):
...Tom reported elsewhere, was running on two servers, one for the forums, one for the library, each backing up the other.

This will tell you what was going on. I think Tom and the company knew what they were doing.

Next time, Nighthawk & Danny...please read....
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Wed May 20, 2009 9:50 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 40):
Next time, Nighthawk & Danny...please read....

Speaking of which... please read...

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 31):

Though I'm a bit more sympathetic to Avsim's plight, the advice to read carefully goes both ways.  Smile
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Thu May 21, 2009 3:30 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 40):
Quoting Burkhard (Reply 2):
...Tom reported elsewhere, was running on two servers, one for the forums, one for the library, each backing up the other.

This will tell you what was going on. I think Tom and the company knew what they were doing.

Next time, Nighthawk & Danny...please read....


They clearly didn't. Backing up two on-line servers against each other is asking for trouble. My home PC is secured better to be honest.

What's the most annoying is that it didn't require any sophisticated and expensive system yet through their stupidity their wasted possibly millions of hours of work of thousand of library contributors.

[Edited 2009-05-21 08:33:00]
 
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Sat May 23, 2009 11:13 pm

Look at their website and the calendar link at the top: http://www.avsim.net/

Looks like they want to be up by Monday/Tuesday!
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Wed May 27, 2009 8:03 pm

Their forums are back up and running, and they hope to have the site itself up in a couple of days and the library a few days after that. From a posting Tom made, 100% of the forums were recovered and about 90% of the library is recoverable, going way back to FS98.
My hats off to the IT guys that got things back up and running.  Smile
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Fri May 29, 2009 2:48 am



Quoting Elcableguy77 (Reply 44):
hope to have the site itself up in a couple of days

The site is up now! The library will be down for a bit longer.
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Fri May 29, 2009 6:07 pm



Quoting 787seattle (Reply 45):
The library will be down for a bit longer.

How much longer do you think?

On FOX news this morning, President Obama announced that he is going to assign a team of Cyber protecters. Do you think this has to do with the AVSIM hacking?

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RE: Avsim Hacked

Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:44 pm



Quoting Flinhion757 (Reply 46):
On FOX news this morning, President Obama announced that he is going to assign a team of Cyber protecters. Do you think this has to do with the AVSIM hacking?

Probably not. It is probably more along the lines of monitoring people's activity on the internet even more, and might eventually lead to enforcing the proposed "Internet Sales Tax".
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:30 am



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 47):
and might eventually lead to enforcing the proposed "Internet Sales Tax".

And the "fairness doctrine" as expanded to include websites. The majority of the blogosphere is not exactly friendly to Obama and his cronies, and there's nothing he can do at this point to suppress them apart from having the FBI and USSS track down the authors and annoy them by knocking on their door with some trumped up story (it is happening).

People who say that Avsim deserves to remain dead if they don't have a proper backup policy are right.
Tom runs the site like a business. A business that allows this to happen to the property of its paying customers doesn't deserve to survive. In fact there could be a very good case for litigation on the grounds of criminal negligence against them.
I'm no friend of Tom, but he did run a good resource and seeing it gone is indeed a grave loss. But it's gone in no small part due to his (and his team's) negligence. It was bound to happen, if not to a hacker than through some other catastrophe. Both servers as I understand it were colocated together, which makes them both vulnerable to the same catastrophic event. Plane crash, earthquake, volcano, whatever.
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RE: Avsim Hacked

Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:31 am



Quoting Flinhion757 (Reply 46):
On FOX news this morning, President Obama announced that he is going to assign a team of Cyber protecters. Do you think this has to do with the AVSIM hacking?

There is enough evidence that most bot nets are controlled from China to take severest action. It is fair to assume that ALL information on ALL computers that are coupled to the internet is in the hands of the Chinese government.

So the original Clinton plan to control the world by placing an unsecure network, controlled by the US department of Commerce, developped by the US department of defense, against the secure options has fired back.

AVSIM is such a little fish against this. The subject is that the internet and the money markets currently are completely controlled by the Chinese regime.

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