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Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:57 pm

Imagine if Delta operated from a slightly expanded Terminal 8 at JFK. The check-in area is large enough to accommodate Delta during the international rush (which Delta's current facilities can not do), a spacious FIS facility, plenty of gates including RJ gates. With service to:
Tokyo, London, Manchester, Dublin, Shannon, Amsterdam, Brussels, Nice, Frankfurt, Berlin, Zurich, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Moscow, Kiev, Prague, Budapest, Istanbul, Athens, Rome, Milan, Venice, Pisa, Madrid, Barcelona, Malaga, Valencia, Tel Aviv, Amman, Cairo, Dakar, Sao Paulo, Accra, and Abuja.

Plus all of the domestic and Central/Latin American destinations, including premium service to Los Angeles and San Francisco.

Imagine all of this under one roof. It would be a truly amazing thing to see at Kennedy Airport and in the United States. It really is such a shame that Delta's operation needs to be spread over three terminals, and will remain a cluster for at least the next four or five years. I look forward to the day when their facilities match the fantastic service they now have at Kennedy. But I can not help but think how amazing it would be to see Delta's operation in T8....If only they had long-term vision a decade ago...
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:45 pm

They would def need to finish it to full size.

The thing that I see on airliners a lot is this longing for DL to have built a terminal like AA did back in 2000.

I have heard this puts AA in a better position. But it doesn't. That's because DL has the flights, and AA doesn't

AA has a beautiful silver platter with a few pieces of meat on it. DL has a porcelin platter that was given to her by her grandmother, but there is a large variety of meat that is piled high for all to use. The silver platter doesn't mean much if there's nothing on it.
 
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:57 pm

DLs terminal is an operational disadvantage compared to AA at JFK. Yes, DL has a lot of flights to Europe, but it can be such a damn fiasco getting in/out from their terminals that it might be worth jumping on AA to LHR and connecting on BA.
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:13 pm

AA also has the more prestigious routes such as three class service to LAX and SFO domestically as well as 5 daily 3 class 777 service to LHR, so it goes along with the more modern terminal facilities.
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:25 pm

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
Imagine all of this under one roof. It would be a truly amazing thing
Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
match the fantastic service
Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
think how amazing
Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
DL has a porcelin platter that was given to her by her grandmother, but there is a large variety of meat that is piled high for all to use.

The adulation here is starting to border on the bizarre.
 
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:27 pm

Quoting Flyby519 (Reply 2):
DLs terminal is an operational disadvantage compared to AA at JFK. Yes, DL has a lot of flights to Europe, but it can be such a damn fiasco getting in/out from their terminals that it might be worth jumping on AA to LHR and connecting on BA.

I would go with BA right through as T7 in my opinion may not be the most bling termianl at JFK but it's nice and quiet with some nice BA staff and decent lounges
 
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:51 pm

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
AA has a beautiful silver platter with a few pieces of meat on it. DL has a porcelin platter that was given to her by her grandmother, but there is a large variety of meat that is piled high for all to use. The silver platter doesn't mean much if there's nothing on it.

I like your analogy here.

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
DLs terminal is an operational disadvantage compared to AA at JFK. Yes, DL has a lot of flights to Europe, but it can be such a damn fiasco getting in/out from their terminals that it might be worth jumping on AA to LHR and connecting on BA.

However, it would be interesting to get feedback from travellers on their real-world choice in this scenario. Obviously AA does have 3-class service on some premium routs, but assuming were just looking at J and Y.
 
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:57 pm

Quoting BA174 (Reply 5):
I would go with BA right through as T7 in my opinion may not be the most bling termianl at JFK but it's nice and quiet with some nice BA staff and decent lounges

Agreed, same could be said about AF going through CDG instead of using DL.
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:38 pm

If I remember correctly, AA scaled down the original rebuild plans for T8. So does this mean that the main concourse can be expanded as AA grows or is there now some permanent structure blocking such an expansion? Google maps is not up to date for JFK. It would be awesome to have T8 at its maximum size.

One thing that I've always wondered is if there was any benefit to an airside connection between T8 and T7.

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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:05 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 4):
The adulation here is starting to border on the bizarre.

I imagine that since the subject of this thread was DL, you might have imagined that. If you don't like what you see, don't read it. We already know where your loyalties lie.
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:41 pm

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
DL has a porcelin platter

Porcelain? It is more like a scratched plastic platter.
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:51 pm

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 8):
If I remember correctly, AA scaled down the original rebuild plans for T8. So does this mean that the main concourse can be expanded as AA grows or is there now some permanent structure blocking such an expansion? Google maps is not up to date for JFK. It would be awesome to have T8 at its maximum size.

One thing that I've always wondered is if there was any benefit to an airside connection between T8 and T7.

There is a lot of room for building on T8. I guess AA is waiting for things to turn around more than they have before continuing construction. I'd love to see an airside connection between T7 and T8, but I dont know how hard that would be since there are some roadways between the two.
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:54 pm

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
They would def need to finish it to full size.

They would, but it would be ideal for the sort of operation that DL has. And yes, of course, it's not going to happen.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 10):
Porcelain? It is more like a scratched plastic platter.

Scratched plastic? More like a soggy paper plate.

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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:42 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
AA also has the more prestigious routes such as three class service to LAX and SFO domestically as well as 5 daily 3 class 777 service to LHR, so it goes along with the more modern terminal facilities.

So now we're claiming that terminal facilities should be based upon the prestige of routes served from said terminal?   So based on your arbitrary and altogether silly paramaters, CO should immediately move out of the terminal C extension at EWR since they don't offer 3 class service on any route making their service less prestigious. And don't get me started on B6 and their brand new terminal from which they offer only one class service to such non-prestigious destinations as ROC and MCO.
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:10 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 13):
So now we're claiming that terminal facilities should be based upon the prestige of routes served from said terminal? So based on your arbitrary and altogether silly paramaters, CO should immediately move out of the terminal C extension at EWR since they don't offer 3 class service on any route making their service less prestigious. And don't get me started on B6 and their brand new terminal from which they offer only one class service to such non-prestigious destinations as ROC and MCO.

I'm just pointing out that AA has both the advantages of infrastructure on the ground as well as premium service in the air at JFK, DL has neither. Not sure what B6 or CO have to do with anything, since we are talking AA and DL at JFK.
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:18 pm

No way is AA giving up T8. They know how valuable that piece of real estate really is. I think DL makes do with what they have at T2/T3 but eventually will need a more modern spacious terminal. I suppose they can continue to rely on the international terminal for certain flights. Thats a pretty nice facility for DL to operate its premium routes out of. I'd predict once the merger gets even more smoothed out DL will consider knocking down the 2 old buildings stemming out of the former PAA rotunda and replace them with brand new facilities (emphasis on hoping they will keep the rotunda though!) By then DL should have a good idea as to what flying they will be concentrating on with the new slots out of LGA vs. international presence at JFK.

Only if DL had a clue back in 1999/2000 to not drastically expand BOS. What a waste that was.
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:27 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 14):
I'm just pointing out that AA has both the advantages of infrastructure on the ground as well as premium service in the air at JFK, DL has neither. Not sure what B6 or CO have to do with anything, since we are talking AA and DL at JFK.

Oh please. This is one more in your long list of digs at DL. You claimed that newer terminal facilities are complemented by more prestigious routes. By your definition of prestigious, neither CO nor B6 fly any such routes from their newer terminal facilities, therefore, the terminal isn't complemented by the service offered.
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:43 pm

Quoting Flyby519 (Reply 11):
There is a lot of room for building on T8. I guess AA is waiting for things to turn around more than they have before continuing construction. I'd love to see an airside connection between T7 and T8, but I dont know how hard that would be since there are some roadways between the two.

Thats good to know about T8. I'd really like to see AA continue the expansion some day when the economy recovers.

A T8-T7 link would enhance the AA/BA JV by allowing seamless transfers at JFK. It would effectively create a OW mega-hub.

If they created a "Skylink" similiar to the one in DFW building a bridge over that expressway would be the desired method of crossing that expressway. It would be cheaper than digging underground as well.
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:50 pm

Couldn't find the fantasy one  



Oh... Hypothetical........
 
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:02 pm

DL plans on expanding T4 and adding additional gates to it. Then they plan on demolishing T3 and renovating T2. I'll believe it when I see it lol.  
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:00 am

Quoting OA412 (Reply 17):
Oh please. This is one more in your long list of digs at DL. You claimed that newer terminal facilities are complemented by more prestigious routes. By your definition of prestigious, neither CO nor B6 fly any such routes from their newer terminal facilities, therefore, the terminal isn't complemented by the service offered.

Again we are talking about AA and DL at JFK, CO and B6 are not a party to this discussion
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:23 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 9):
We already know where your loyalties lie.

Actually, I don't think you do. I fly Delta rather extensively (PM), have relatives in the company, and generally enjoy my travel with the Widget. I have a better upgrade rate on DL than I do with CO, and my experience with DL in BusinessElite has been fantastic. I just call them like I see them, and it's hard to argue that such aggrandizing nonsense is anything but absurd.
 
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:48 am

This fantasy is totally unrealistic, considering that DL never had access to the land T8 was built on, and has always been limited to a far more constrained site. Even if DL had the vision to build a terminal like this ten years ago, where would it have put it?

Quoting OA412 (Reply 17):
By your definition of prestigious, neither CO nor B6 fly any such routes from their newer terminal facilities, therefore, the terminal isn't complemented by the service offered.

This makes no sense. Because CO's and B6's new terminals are not complimented by "prestigious" services, AA's can't be?
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Fri May 21, 2010 12:24 am

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 22):
This fantasy is totally unrealistic,

Ehh, you do understand what you just posted, right?
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RE: Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK

Sun May 23, 2010 12:57 pm

The solution is obvious. Here's all you have to do...

-Close JFK
-Get everyone and everything valuable out of JFK
-Develop the world's largest conventional non-nuclear explosives in the world and use them to tear the airport down
-Film the explosions with IMAX cameras
-Film shots of Megan Fox in a bikini under a cold shower with IMAX cameras.
-Insert gratuitous product placement
-Insert a Dinosaurs vs. Transformers vs. RoboCop fight, because why not?
-Compile everything together, and unleash it into theatres.

The amount of money that would make could build 20 JFK airports and cure cancer! We can't afford NOT to do it!

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