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Building A Desktop With FSX In Mind

Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:42 pm

Hi all,

I am in the process of doing research on building a desktop with mainly FSX in mind.

I'm not an expert on the subject, so I thought I would ask here what you guys think of the combination of parts used.

- Intel Core i7 950 Prosessor
- Asus P7P55D-E Intel P55 LGA 1156 Motherboard
- 6GB DDR3 RAM
- TwintechTM NVIDIA® GeForceTM GTX465 1GB GDDR5 Graphics Card
- Seagate 1TB SATA 7200RPM 32MB Cache Hard Drive
- Aerocool Eco-Friendly Series E78-730 (730W) PSU
- Windows 7 Home Premium

I pretty much want the most bang for my buck and this is on the border of what I can afford, so I would appreciate it if someone could make recommendations as to what would be a better combination, keeping FSX in mind, without spending a lot more.

Thanks for the help.  

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RE: Building A Desktop With FSX In Mind

Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:17 pm

Quoting SAA380 (Thread starter):
- Windows 7 Home Premium

Just make sure its 64 bit. That machine looks great! Should run FSX well.
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RE: Building A Desktop With FSX In Mind

Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:09 pm

Mother of god, I literally just bought the same system last week, except for the video card.

-Intel Core i7 950 Quad Core Processor
-ASUS P6X58D-E X58 Motherboard
-6GB DDR3 Core i7 Memory Kit
-Radeon HD 5870 850MHZ 1GB GDDR5 Vid card
-XFX 750W Black Edition PS
-Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S Hard Drive OEM
-Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT

All this should arrive this week and first thing I'm going to do is install FSX. I'll post back the results.
 
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RE: Building A Desktop With FSX In Mind

Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:17 am

Quoting SAA380 (Thread starter):

- Intel Core i7 950 Prosessor
- Asus P7P55D-E Intel P55 LGA 1156 Motherboard

HOLD YOUR HORSES!!!!

That is NOT the correct motherboard or chipset for that processor!!! That is for the lower end Core i7s (the half-assed i7s like the 8xx series and lower) You NEED a 1366 socket motherboard with the X58 chipset to use the i7-950 or any 9xx series i7 for that matter.

Therefore, get anything from the ASUS P6T series. I have a P6T (vanilla edition) and it is rock solid and has a very intuitive BIOS and is easy to overclock.

If you want to save a few more bucks, get an i7 920. It's what I got, and it's waaaaaay more than enough, even when it's not overclocked. I have an i7 920 with dual ATI 4870s and 6g RAM and it plays all of the latest games (like the new Medal of Honor) on a 22" screen without breaking a sweat at full graphics settings.

Quoting SAA380 (Thread starter):
- Seagate 1TB SATA 7200RPM 32MB Cache Hard Drive

For better performance get two smaller 500GB drives and link them in RAID 0, you get essentially double the speed. I have two WD Caviar Blacks 620GB and they're ridiculously fast, they keep up with SSDs and were dirt cheap.

Quoting SAA380 (Thread starter):
- Aerocool Eco-Friendly Series E78-730 (730W) PSU

Never heard of this brand, but I'm skeptical of any product that has the word Eco on it and a bunch of misspelling errors on the company website. Get something more reputable like a Corsair (best PSUs by far) or a CoolerMaster or Antec. And none of the tree-hugging BS, that's not good for performance or reliability. Spending a bunch on everything else and going cheap on a PSU is a recipe for disaster. Take it from someone who has changed dozens of dinky cheap-o PSUs quite frequently.

Finally, where are you buying all this stuff?

Quoting flymia (Reply 1):

Just make sure its 64 bit.

        

[Edited 2010-10-24 22:18:34]
 
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RE: Building A Desktop With FSX In Mind

Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:18 pm

Thanks for the replies,

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 3):
HOLD YOUR HORSES!!!!

That is NOT the correct motherboard or chipset for that processor!!! That is for the lower end Core i7s (the half-assed i7s like the 8xx series and lower) You NEED a 1366 socket motherboard with the X58 chipset to use the i7-950 or any 9xx series i7 for that matter.



Wow, thanks for the advice! I would have never known this, as I stated before, I am not the smartest person when it comes to computer tech. Good thing there are such friendly people on A.net.   

So I had another look at what is available and settled for the Asus P6T Intel X58 LGA 1366 motherboard.
I could not find an i7 920 on any online shop here in SA, but did manage to find an i7 930 for almost double the price I can have an i7 950 for, so I think I'll stick with the 950.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 3):
For better performance get two smaller 500GB drives and link them in RAID 0, you get essentially double the speed.



I have never heard of this being done for a better reading speed. How exactly does this work and is there any other components needed?

It's hard to find the brands you mentioned for the PSU here in SA. But I did find a few corsair units. Is there any specific Watt you would recommend for my setup?

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 3):
Finally, where are you buying all this stuff?



Well apart from the PSU, I will be buying it at www.vtechnologies.co.za. The stuff there are ridiculously cheap compared to other places.

Quoting powerslide (Reply 2):
Mother of god, I literally just bought the same system last week, except for the video card.



Lol! It would be interesting to see how differently the systems would perform with different graphics cards. You should definitely post the results here! Just out of curiosity, why did you choose the ATI graphics card?
Oh, and definitely getting the 64 bit Win 7.

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RE: Building A Desktop With FSX In Mind

Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:56 pm

Quoting SAA380 (Reply 4):

I have never heard of this being done for a better reading speed. How exactly does this work and is there any other components needed?

It's complicated-ish. But put veeeery simply, RAID (RAID 0/zero) technology allows two physical drives to function as one "theoretical" drive. In other words, in my PC for example, my C: drive is actually two hard drives in RAID 0 configuration, but Windows treats it as a single C: drive. By doing this you increase the speed dramatically because you split the workload and data throughput between both drives and the end result is a significant speed increase.

You will need two IDENTICAL and unused or fully formatted drives for this to work. ASUS fortunately makes this easy to setup in the BIOS. You just plug in the HDDs into the superspeed ports, select the superspeed option in the BIOS and you're good to go.

By the way, STUDY THE MOTHERBOARD'S MANUAL!!!! Ten times if you have to!

Oh and PS: Don't bother installing anything from the motherboard's utility CD's other than drivers. Everything else is just bloatware. Additionally, the drivers in the CD are never the latest anyways so you may want to download them from ASUS's website beforehand on a different PC and keep them handy on a USB key or CD.

Quoting SAA380 (Reply 4):
Is there any specific Watt you would recommend for my setup?

500W is the absolute minimum I'd say for a single video card like in your setup. I have two video cards and a high end Corsair 750W PSU and it's just enough. I'd say stick to 700W or above to have some extra breathing room and so you have room for expansion if you want to throw in another card eventually.

At the very least get this:

http://www.vtechnologies.co.za./inde...2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=109

While the eco-BS version may have the same watts, it has less amps going to the rails and less connectors, not what you want for a proper gaming rig.

Finally, the i7s tend to run hot. So make sure you have a well ventilated computer case. And if you plan on overclocking, definitely buy an aftermarket CPU cooler.
 
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RE: Building A Desktop With FSX In Mind

Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:21 pm

Quoting SAA380 (Reply 4):
Lol! It would be interesting to see how differently the systems would perform with different graphics cards. You should definitely post the results here! Just out of curiosity, why did you choose the ATI graphics card?

I've had issues with my previous Nvidia cards and FSX, plus I just wanted something new. I ran the 3Dmarks test on it and got 21195, whether this is good or not I don't know.
 
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RE: Building A Desktop With FSX In Mind

Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:41 am

Hi again,

So I have done some further research and went to the shop where I will be buying all of these parts. This is what I have gone for:

- Asus P6T SE Intel X58 LGA1366 Motherboard. What's really the difference between the SE and standard model? As they both almost cost the same.)

- Intel Core i7 950 Processor.

- 6GB Triple channel DDR3 2000 RAM

- Twintech™ NVIDIA® GeForce™ GTX460 1GB GDDR5 Graphics card. Decided to go for the 460 1GB as it is considerably cheaper than the 465, but has almost equally good specs.

- Seagate 500GB SATA 7200RPM 16MB Cache HDD X2. One for the OS and all the other crap and one for FSX files etc.

- Aerocool Ultimate Gaming Series V12XT-1000 (1000W) PSU. It was really hard to find any Corsair PSU's here in SA, but I had a look at the Aerocool 1000W in the shop and it seemed very well built and of good quality.

- Aerocool Hi-Tech 7 Pro Case. Read a lot of reviews on it and all were positive. It has a 40cm fan for cooling with a temperature control settings screen and has lots of room for expansion.

- LG Optical drive.

- MS Win. 7 Home Premium 64 bit. Is it worth getting Ultimate?

I will be buying the parts next weekend, so any final thaughts/tips for me concerning this rig?

Thanks,

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RE: Building A Desktop With FSX In Mind

Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:34 pm

Quoting SAA380 (Reply 7):


- Asus P6T AS Air Limited (Kenya)">SE Intel X58 LGA1366 Motherboard. What's really the difference between the AS Air Limited (Kenya)">SE and standard model? As they both almost cost the same.)


They're nearly identical. The S E has no fiber optic port for audio, and doesn't have a dedicated special extra high speed SATA port (ASUS calls it super speed). Also, the S E is not certified for Nvidia SLI, while the normal P6T is Crossfire and SLI certified.

I'd say get the regular P6T, it's the one I got, rock solid performer.

Quoting SAA380 (Reply 7):
- MS Win. 7 Home Premium 64 bit. Is it worth getting Ultimate?

Nah. It's not like you're gonna get more performance out of it.
 
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RE: Building A Desktop With FSX In Mind

Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:53 am

That will be a lame duck, the second digit of the video card must be a 7 at least, better an 8. The Nvidia x6x cards are really entry level 3 D!
 
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RE: Building A Desktop With FSX In Mind

Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:30 am

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 9):
That will be a lame duck, the second digit of the video card must be a 7 at least, better an 8. The Nvidia x6x cards are really entry level 3 D!
Quoting SAA380 (Thread starter):
this is on the border of what I can afford


Wow, I hope you're paying because the 470 costs almost the same as my motherboard and processor together.
Maybe at a later stage when I've saved up a bit more dough I'll get a, as you state it, second digit 7 or 8 card.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 8):
I'd say get the regular P6T, it's the one I got, rock solid performer.


Okay, cool. I'll go with that then.

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RE: Building A Desktop With FSX In Mind

Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:39 pm

Quoting SAA380 (Reply 10):

Wow, I hope you're paying because the 470 costs almost the same as my motherboard and processor together.
Maybe at a later stage when I've saved up a bit more dough I'll get a, as you state it, second digit 7 or 8 card.

Or just get an ATI. They tend to be a bit cheaper and in my experience they outperform Nvidias dollar for dollar. ATI has been making the better cards for the past 2 years by far. See how much you can get an ATI 5870 for. Or one of the new HD 6xxx models
 
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RE: Building A Desktop With FSX In Mind

Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:21 pm

The performance of the grafics adapter mostly comes from the second digit. If you buy a 460 or a 9600 or an ATI 5670 you always cannot run massive parallel code.

I would propose to combine an I7-860 or 920/930 with an ATI 5770 resp GTX470, and this should remain an affordable system below 1000€, or a 950 with an 6870 or GTX480 for a system which is below €1200.

The system I would built today is, prices from today in €

Core i7-950 247,-
Asus P6X58D 294,-
Asus EAH 6870 238,-
Kingston 12 GB DDR3 RAM 180,-

Makes 950€ + disks, drives, power supply which could be 250€ together.

I currently have an i7-860 with an ATI5770, which works well with FSX, and my system is crippled by the disk which is the slowest element, if you have as example still a larger old disk use that for data and go for a faster disk ( maybe one with Flash cash or 10000 rpm) even if that has to be smaller - you will be happy about this decision every time you fire up FSX!

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