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Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:24 am

Hear me out on this:

- FS9 is ten years old and still one of the most widely-used platforms
- FSX is not as old, but still taxes all but the most muscular systems
- Third-party developers seem to be producing less payware
- Freeware design seems to be tapering off
- Enthusiastic users of FS9/FSX are getting older and may not continue with their hobby
- Microsoft Flight was...well, Microsoft Flight.
- There doesn't appear to be anywhere near the embrace of X-Plane that there was for FS9/FSX
- There doesn't appear to be a worthy successor in the pipeline anywhere at this point


So, flight sim enthusiasts - what say you? And if flight simulation is dead, what killed it?
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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:48 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Thread starter):
So, flight sim enthusiasts - what say you? And if flight simulation is dead, what killed it?

I don't think it is dead. Sure people get older and use FS less often, but new kids come and use it. They only have the chance to use FS9 or FSX (if the PC can handle it).

Due to many virtual airlines, real ATC (IVAO, VATSIM) etc it is as realistic as it has never been before. Payware airplanes (PMDG) are very realistic as well. I think we have reached a peak at the moment. Everything beyond FSX would eat up so much space on everybodys computer, that you need a computer only for FS.

If Microsoft or any other developer would make a brandnew FS with very realistic textures, it will for sure get more famous again.

I am using FS still every once in a while for doing weird stuff I cannot do in real life 

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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:46 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Thread starter):
- FSX is not as old, but still taxes all but the most muscular systems

This may have been true when FSX debuted in 2006, but technology has advanced greatly since then, and recent-build PCs can handle FSX.
 
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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:57 pm

You forget about plane! Still going strong.
 
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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:11 am

I wouldn't say that flight simulators are dead - most laptops that have at least the Intel GMA4xxx style on-board GPUs can handle the graphics loads, although ideally you DO want a machine (in the case of a laptop/notebook) with dual GPUs -- in this case, they usually have the SOC on-board graphics and a separate NVidia or ATI Graphics Processor -- they can be assigned to various applications as the need arises. Use the dedicated GPU for the flight simulator and the on-board graphics for simple things like web browsing and email.

While the Microsoft Flight Simulator is somewhat the de facto standard for PC based Flight Simulators, do not disregard X-Plane, which is an excellent multi-platform flight simulator available for Windows, LINUX, OS/X and also IOS (I do not recall if there is an Android version yet).

http://www.x-plane.com/desktop/home

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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:11 am

Considering X-Plane just got v10 out 2(?) years ago and there are A LOT of very good payware planes getting built as we speak for v10 (A330, B737-200,...) and one or two very good freeware planes being built (B787-8/-9/-10) I do not think its dead. XP is the most versatile plane simulator out there considering it supports Windows, Mac and Linux. I don't have v10 yet (too expensive and I'm too lazy to redo all the settings) but v9.70 is also very good.
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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:53 pm

A lot of us got older ... got married ... not allowed to spend hours infront of a computer having the times of our lives anymore ... sigh  
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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:14 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 6):
A lot of us got older ... got married ... not allowed to spend hours infront of a computer having the times of our lives anymore ... sigh  

Erm do you have a webcam in my house I don't know about? LOL!

I know the feeling...  
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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:22 pm

Not necessarily. Flight simming, at least as it pertains to the wider simming community, more or less hinges on how LM proceeds forward with their work on Prepar3D.

They have to tread a very a fine line, as they're not allowed to market or sell it as a recreational flight sim, but the fact that they've made strides to make it accesible as possible to the regular flight simmers speaks volumes.
 
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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:50 am

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 8):
They have to tread a very a fine line, as they're not allowed to market or sell it as a recreational flight sim, but the fact that they've made strides to make it accesible as possible to the regular flight simmers speaks volumes.

Why is this?

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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:31 pm

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 7):
Erm do you have a webcam in my house I don't know about? LOL!

I know the feeling...

Yes, the days of spending hours looking for certain aircraft, scenery, terrain, texture and sound files has been put away in the attic. As have the screenshot threads. competitions and the endless discussions in these now dusty forums on asking each other where we found this or that aircraft.

Maybe I'll squeeze in a short flight with a POSKY 767, just a short one, no one will find out LOL!     
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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:50 pm

Aport from FSX, Prepar3d and XPlane there is also an open source flight simulator
called FlightGear Flight Sim ; http://www.flightgear.org/
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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:26 pm

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 9):
Why is this?

Marc

LM bought the license to ESP, which is the commercial (read as in not general purpose gaming) branch of the MS FS franchise. Meanwhile, MS was still going to make Flight happen, which, in effect, means that LM did not have the rights (and in all probability any intentions) to release a general public entertainment version.

While they do sell to general public, they stress that they do not cater to entertainment markets, but if you use simulator for other purposes, say, self-education, you are good to go.


As for the topic, no, I don't think flight simulation is dead as we know it. True enough, with emergence of mobile gaming and shift towards consoles, simulators are not as mainstream as they once where, but the community thrives, with addons of unprecedented quality available.
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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:25 pm

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 8):
Not necessarily. Flight simming, at least as it pertains to the wider simming community, more or less hinges on how LM proceeds forward with their work on Prepar3D.

This. Hopefully they make it a bit more open to the general public. Anyone can buy it but also many developers have not released much for P3D.

As long as developers like PMDG, Majestic, Quialitysim are still around and retailers like flight1 and justflight are here I don't think the hobby is over. Sure I had a lot more time for it when I was younger but things are being done to make it possible to enjoy it in shorter periods of time or being able to walk away from the PC like PMDGs 777 auto cruise option. I agree that the freeware community has died down a bit, and that even this forum right here is as slow as it has ever been. That being said even though I am doing less flying I am doing the best and most realistic flying I have ever done in FS with planes like the Majestic Dash-8 and PMDG 777.
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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:10 am

Here is another Flight Simulator that I thought that you all might like -- it is called "Infinite Flight" -- this one if for the Windows Phone platform, either v.7 or v.8.x.
I am running it on my Nokia 1020 Black Edition Windows Phone with Windows Phone OS v.8.x, and it is really worth the $5 that they charge for it.

Here is the URL:

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/st...304559-4569-e011-81d2-78e7d1fa76f8

The graphics are seamless, no unnecessary aliasing, fast screen response (the phone has a dedicated GPU) and the simulator is very responsive to the motion-sensor/gyroscope.

I also run X-Plane on my old (spare) iPhone 3GS. I highly recommend both flight simulators.

Unfortunately, I do not own an Android based phone, so I cannot tell you your options there, but I am sure that at least X-Plane is available for those phones.

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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:49 am

We also have a brand new sim in the form of aerofly fs:

http://www.simhq.com/_air14/air_516a.html

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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:03 am

I don't think that it's dead per se, but i hear where you're coming from...

I've spent many and many an hour flying, tweaking, writing AI flight plans or plain virtual plane spotting in FS9/FSX over the years, but the last 2-3 years i've barely even started it. Other things have gotten in the way, but i've found myself thinking more and more lately that i really want to boot up this hobby again.

I've managed to run FSX with craploads of AI and addons fairly decently on my first gen intel i3/GTX560 combo in the past.

Question is; is FSX still the sim of choice in regards of creating a life like sim with realistic AI time tables, scenery etc, or would X-plane be worth while for me?

And just out of curiosoty...how do you flight sim on a phone?  Wow!
 
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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:17 pm

Quoting mika (Reply 16):
how do you flight sim on a phone?

Question is; is FSX still the sim of choice in regards of creating a life like sim with
realistic AI time tables, scenery etc, or would X-plane be worth while for me?

My HTC Desire is to old for flightsim but I think you control the plane by tilting the phone.

As for FSX vs. X-plane I don't know and there is also Prepar3d 2.0 which is a slightly
enhanced FSX developed by. Lockheed Martin. Its very expensive though,
I think the Pro version is around 1600SEK,

However that said I think FSX is still the sim with the most add-ons and etc.
Some developers (like PMDG) also charge double if you want to have
their products for both FSX and P3D.

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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:37 am

Quoting mika (Reply 16):

And just out of curiosoty...how do you flight sim on a phone?

Well obviously, it is difficult (but not impossible) to attach a normal flight controller to a phone, so the way to do it is to use the phone's built-in motion-sensor/gyroscope/compass for control - as in, you physically move the phone and/or tablet to climb/bank/dive/etc., and an added benefit is that the phone's A-W-DGPS/GLONASS support also helps with navigation, if you so allow the application to access that information.

I've used flight simulators on more platforms than I can count, both software based and some dedicated hardware based, and on the PC, I've owned every single version of Microsoft Flight Simulator since the DOS version 1.0 - we used to use it for compatibility testing! If an IBM/PC clone could run MS Flight Sim, then you were good to go!
Well, this was back in the early 1980s.

Anyway, that is how you do it on the phone - just rotate the device on the X-Y-Z axes and if the phone has the hardware and if the sim supports it, you're good to go.

Aside from the small screen size, as long as the phones that have a dedicated GPU, a decent display (e.g. the SuperAMOLED display on my Nokia 1020) and if the OS and Apps support it, there is almost no "jerky" look and feel, it is a very fluid experience.

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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:56 pm

Quoting mika (Reply 16):
Question is; is FSX still the sim of choice in regards of creating a life like sim with realistic AI time tables, scenery etc, or would X-plane be worth while for me?

You will want to use FSX for that. Maybe P3D if you can get it on students license (pro license is on an expensive side)
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RE: Is Flight Simulation Dead As We Know It?

Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:34 pm

Well...in our forum we discussed this at length as well.
We believe however that flight simulation is far from being dead, there just isn't the momentum anymore, like in 2004 when FSX was coming up on the horizon...
Lockeed's Prepar3D ist a fine spin off but somehow lacks the acceptance...unfortunately as an ever increasing number of add-on designers are building stuff being compatible with it.

Like Wilco737 stated, I only fly on the sim to do stuff I wouldn'd be able to do in real life...like taking a T-38 or a F-4 for a spin...long range flying in a B747 or 777 just isn't my cup of tea...but online, flying with a group of F-86 over the high california desert...now that is fun!
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