CityBird MD-11
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Please Leave Aircraft Descriptions Alone !

Mon Jul 10, 2000 10:13 am

Hey, all

This has been bugging me for quite some time now. In the past when I uploaded, I showed the airline designated code for the version of the aircraft pictured (757-222, 737-201, etc.). Then I realized after a couple of emails with Johan that if someone does a search for a "United Airlines 727-200" and my pic is designated a "727-222", it won't come up in the search.

Now when I upload, I show in the aircraft box "United Airlines 727-200". In the remarks box, I show the actual airline designation "727-222", and any other pertinent information as to the aircraft's history (msn, ln, delivery date, etc.)

Quite often, someone "corrects" my aircraft type in the first description box by changing to the airlines' type designation.


If you have any other interesting information to add to the remarks box, do it, but leave the top description box alone. I took the photo, paid for the developing of the film/slide, scanned, edited and uploaded it - I figure I ought to be able to call the a/c what I want to.

Perhaps this message will not be read by those who suggest these "changes" to the admin., but I had to get it off my chest.

Anybody else have a problem with these "corrections" ???? Thanx

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RE: Please Leave Aircraft Descriptions Alone !

Mon Jul 10, 2000 11:32 am

As we have since a few weeks added a new generic field for the aircraft type, your photos with "727-222" will come up in a search for "727-200".

Please use the more exact designation and we'll take care of the search capabilities of the database. As noted in the upload-FAQ we need to have full access to the info supplied and rights to make changes as we see fit, or the database will quickly turn unusable.

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RE: Please Leave Aircraft Descriptions Alone !

Mon Jul 10, 2000 8:57 pm

Thanks, Johan

I'm glad that the search capabilities of the database have been updated. I'm not saying that the administration is suggesting these changes ... if you did I think it would be a wholesale change. I notice that descriptions are changed only on certain photos (usually a couple of days after the photo is added).

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RE: Please Leave Aircraft Descriptions Alone !

Thu Jul 13, 2000 11:22 pm

Good point, CityBird MD-11. I've noticed the exact same thing. Although it seems to be more "general" than just having it done at individual pics. However, I've noticed it only seems to happen with Boeing photos, and the Airbus info is left alone. (And no, I'm not trying to start a Boeing vs. Airbus war that way. It's just a remark.)

Additionally, I thought the Search-function was not supposed to be capital-sensitive. Nevertheless, I did a search on an aircraft registration number without capital letters the other day, and when I did the same search *with* capital letters, I got about three extra photos. Strange...

Oh well, in the end, it's still technology. It's good to hear the A.N team is constantly working on improvements, though.
Overall, we have little to complain about. Then again, posts like these are merely meant as encouragements. So keep up the good work, Johan & co.!

Best regards,


Why We Do What We Do

Sat Jul 15, 2000 10:50 pm

Johan underestimated how long we've had the Generic Aircraft field on the database ... we actually implemented it nearly 4 months ago.

To view how this extra field operates, view the Photo Index pages for Aircraft Type:
You'll see how the aircraft are grouped according to their types, such as Boeing 727-100, Boeing 727-200, etc. By clicking on the V button, the list will be expanded to show all the sub-types for (eg.) Boeing 727-200, such as Boeing 727-222, Boeing 727-231, etc. There are also buttons for Airline (A), Country/Location (C), and Photographer (P).

The "Keywords" search facility on the homepage will search ALL fields of the database for the entered text, including photo filenames.

The Advanced Search page can also be used to search specific fields of the database:
I found, as TriStar did, that case can sometimes make a difference when entering rego's; and you should also use quote signs if you are looking for a specific string with dashes or spaces in it (eg."LX-N20199").

This is only the second time that someone on this forum has objected to the work that Peter Vercruijsse and I do on this website. The first instance a photographer complained about a change that had been made to the aircraft type on a specific photo of his, and we settled that one to the satisfaction of both parties. So, if any of you see a change that been made to the captions of one of your photos that you don't agree with, please email me and we'll see if we can sort it out.

It's not our intention to disallow photographers to use their own individual "styles" of saying things, but you must bear in mind that with a database of over 90,000 photographs, standardization is the only way of imposing any order on it. As Johan implied, a non-standardized database is an unusable database.

Let's use the Boeing BBJ as an example: if one photographer called the BBJ in his photo a Boeing BBJ, the next photographer called it a Boeing 737 BBJ, the next one a Boeing 737-BBJ, the next one Boeing 737-700 BBJ, the next one Boeing 737-700 BBJ1, the next one Boeing BBJ-700, etc. (yes, we've had all those variations), where would that leave us? Try coming up with a search string that will find all of those!

I'm sure all our photographers will understand why we have to do what we do, and that this will be an issue that you will support us on.

Andrew Davies (Southflite)
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RE: Why We Do What We Do

Sun Jul 16, 2000 12:02 am

I think my original comments were somewhat misunderstood. They were directed more towards people who actually click the "correct" button and suggest that the changes be made, not the airliners staff who actually make the changes.

The fact that the database search capabilities have been updated eases quite a bit of my concern.

I have noticed, though, that it seems to happen more frequently on 727's and classic 737's (especially -200's).


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