USAir_757
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50 Speed

Wed Aug 09, 2000 5:42 am

Hi

I am looking at using 50 speed film because of it's sharpness. It's the most popular film at the local camera shop. Should i use it?


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RE: 50 Speed

Wed Aug 09, 2000 7:25 am

I found the Fuji Velvia 50 tough to use. The color and the sharpness were great, but it is very unforgiving. You can't be more than a half to a full stop off or the photo will not turn out. Also, the weather and lighting conditions have to be near perfect. Any clouds or haze and the film will not work for you...

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RE: 50 Speed

Wed Aug 09, 2000 10:35 am

Unless you have a fast lens (f2.8), anything under ISO 100 will probably be tough to use, unless you have VERY steady hands.  

I personally think Fuji Velvia would be a poor choice for aviation photography anyway. The film is highly saturated and exaggerates colors. Its a great film for nature photography, however.

Fuji Provia 100F would be my recommendation, it has extremely fine grain and neutral colors. It also has the convenience of E-6 processing.

If you plan on becoming a die-hard collector/trader, I would invest in a fast lens and start shooting Kodachrome 25/64.

It all depends on what you want to do.  

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RE: 50 Speed

Wed Aug 09, 2000 10:53 am

95% of my work is done on Velvia, and while it is a slow film, and requires attention as far as exposure is concerned, it is not as unforgiving as some may think, and do not always need great light.

Some examples:

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The first 2 shots are proof that you do not always need great light to effectivly make use of this film, the night shot was not Velvia, but a Tungsten balanced Ecktachrome with an 50 iso rating.

Of all of my submissions I have had only 3 rejections out of 321 images posted here. Give Velvia a try.

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RE: 50 Speed

Wed Aug 09, 2000 11:15 am

Heres what i said when i looked @ your photos:

"WOW!!!!!!!!!!!"

The 50 speed film i would be using is Agfa HDC 50. But i will give Velvia a try. And the lense i have on my pentax now is a FAAAST lens(f/2). And i dont need zoom with my new places to spot at MHT !!! The planes are just maybe 150 ft away from you, or less, flying right overhead for landing.


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RE: 50 Speed

Wed Aug 09, 2000 10:22 pm

Planes right overhead? Be careful - you might need much more exposure than you'd imagine, as your area of interest will be in deep shadow (i.e. the bottom of the aircraft) - as a rough guide, you'll need to allow +2 stops to what your meter suggests for a "general" shot in the prevailing light - in strong sunlight maybe more. 50 ASA may be a bit too slow if you want to use a sensible shutter.

Incidentally, I wouldn't bother with the Agfa 50 - its OK, but has rather distinctive characteristics. I like it for landscapes, but that's about it - not as sharp or as good colour as many other brands of 100ASA

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RE: 50 Speed

Thu Aug 10, 2000 2:26 am

Thomas - What kind of scanner do you use? I am after the 3200C.


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RE: 50 Speed

Thu Aug 10, 2000 5:19 am

Hi there, USAir! I use a Minolta Diamage Scan Dual film scanner, its alright, but nothing to write home about. I plan to purchase a newer Nikon Coolscan when I upgrade my MAC.

Over head shots are a little tricky, the sample below was shot using 'shutter priorty' mode. I rarely use any type of auto mode, but I wanted a sharp shot. So I took a reading of the ground (I did this to assure a well lit underside, I still do not trust camera meters, especially with tricky shots like this, to this day I still carry a hand held meter), set my shutter speed to 1/250th, and an apature @ f8 and fired away. The softness is the result of a so, so scan, I'll probably delete this and re-scan, and re-submit


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I used a 28mm 2.8 lens to get this shot. I wanted the approach light in the shot to give some perspective.
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RE: 50 Speed

Thu Aug 10, 2000 6:20 am

Hi

With my spots, the planes don't fly *directly* overhead. They are in front of you, about 150 ft away or less,(i should have said that) flying just above the ground for landing. Nice thing about the one near RWAY 35 is i can position my setup to the east or west of the runway, depending on the time of day(i.e. Morning/afternoon.). I will have the shots in about 2.5 weeks. I will most likely be getting the HP 3200C scanner today, if not today then tomorrow.


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RE: 50 Speed

Thu Aug 10, 2000 7:48 am

I agree with Thomasphoto60 that Fuji Velvia is not hard to use. His excellent pictures proof this as well. Though, it's true that the film requires correct exposure but will do very well under many weather conditions, as long as it's expose it correctly.

It's therefore better to use an handheld incident lightmeter than to rely on the camera's reflection metering. If you have a good lightmeter which has an accuracy of half a stop, than you can't do wrong with Velvia.

Scanning Velvia however is a separate issue. Most scanners have difficulties grabbing the deep colours of Velvia. Even my 12-bit Nikon LS-2000 doesn't reproduce the exact same thing as I see it with my eyes on the slide. Only very expensive drum scanners can cope well with Velvia.

USAir_757 mentioned Fuji Reala 100. I really love this film and it's my favorite negative film above anything else. For internet use, I believe it's even better than slide as the colour reproduction is much more natural than with slide.

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RE: 50 Speed

Thu Aug 10, 2000 10:28 am

It's official. I will have an HP 3200C color scanner within 2 days. We just ordered it. FINALLY!!!  

I will probably shoot Fujy Velvia/Reala from now on.

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RE: 50 Speed

Thu Aug 10, 2000 11:24 am

I work with heavy, very long lenses. I shoot more for content than technical perfection. 50 would be too "slow" for me. But, I am trying to get my technical stuff (color,less grain etc) a bit better. here in Boston this Summer has been very cloudy or "dull light" most of the time.
P.S Thomas, nice photos...Excellent.
Sincerely,
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RE: 50 Speed

Thu Aug 10, 2000 11:47 am

Mark, as a fellow photog, I really appericiate your comments on my work. I have been an admirer of your aviation photos for some time. Speaking of lenses, the biggest piece of glass that I have in my arsenal is a Canon 400mm 2.8 EF. I believe you posted some time ago that you use a 600mm 4.5 is that correct ?

Do you shoot for the 'Globe' ? I've freelanced for most of the wires at one time or another. Again thanks Mark, USAir, Milt for the comments on my work, its is always appreciated.

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RE: 50 Speed

Thu Aug 10, 2000 12:48 pm

Thomas, I use a Canon 600mm F4 lens with a 2x teleconverter which makes a 1200mm F8 so that's why I use 400asa film. Sometimes I take out a Digital Camera and that (for some reason) makes the lens even longer (an 1800mm) I shoot for the Herald.
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RE: 50 Speed

Thu Aug 10, 2000 2:01 pm

Nice hunk of glass Mark ! I remember shooting with FD version of this lens (actually a 4.5) waaaaaaay back in the 80s.

I hope you don't mind but I checked out some your other work on the Hearld site, very nice!

Thomas
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RE: 50 Speed

Fri Aug 11, 2000 10:30 am

Hello everybody!

Ok Ok Ok, you guys have influenced me. I bought a few Velvia 50 today and I will use them very soon in Dorval (YUL). My last pics on the site were shot using Fujifilm 400 and find them very grainy since the last very shot using 200 speed. I can't wait using the Velvia. I will let you know and show you how they turn out.

Take care all,

Henry Jr Godding


 
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RE: 50 Speed

Fri Aug 11, 2000 3:17 pm

USAir, you do know that Velvia is an ASA 50 transparency film? (Slides)

I have used Velvia before. I like it, but I am a firm believer in Provia F. you can push/pull that film up to ASA 400, and STILL get fine grain!

For my lenses, i NEVER use ANYTHING over a 300mm (f/5.6). I don't need that much zoom if i'm close to the planes. A 400mm f/2.8 lens hasta be a mother f-ing pig to carry. I've seen lenses like that (i have my eyes set on a Nikon 600mm f/2.8 as a SFO lens) but that baby is the size of a bazooka (serious!) It also costs about as much as a tank.

 
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RE: 50 Speed

Fri Aug 11, 2000 3:37 pm

I agree totally with Nikonman, Fuji Provia F is probably the finest grain film available. Under a loupe, Provia F is even finer-grained than Kodachrome 25. Its archiving capability is yet to be seen however, that is why Kodachrome 25/64 is the "industry standard", because of its longevity.

Here is a great site that has reviews on various slide film:

http://www.photozone.de

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RE: 50 Speed

Sat Aug 12, 2000 4:38 am

Hi

Yes i knew that it is slides.

My dad probably took around 500 slides in total. He said that they are not hard to use at all.

I (finally) got a scanner. Next hurdle is a 70-210 lens.

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