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Scooter
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How The Heck...?

Sun Oct 15, 2000 10:57 am

Okay...simple question: how the heck do people get high quality scans like this?


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Is this the work of a $2000(US) lens and a high-end film scanner? Here's the best my $300 Canon Rebel G (with the standard 28-85mm lens) and an HP S20 film scanner can do. Both photos were shot with Kodak Royal Gold 200 print film:


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Photo © Scott Leazenby



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Pretty pathetic in comparison to Chris's scans, if you ask me! I'm willing to spend some money on good equipment, but how much do I need to spend for SHARP images? Can some of you post some of your pics here and explain what type of film/camera/lenses were used? Thanks much!!!

-Scott
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RE: How The Heck...?

Sun Oct 15, 2000 11:39 am

Don't forget that Chris had beautiful light to work with and nailed the shot nicely..Your AirFrance photo is nice, but the light is not like Chris'...
Light is everything.
 
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RE: How The Heck...?

Sun Oct 15, 2000 11:39 am

Scott,

Your pics have had quite a number of hits so you should be happy!  

I use the S20 too and as soon as I purchased Vuescan (http://www.hamrick.com) my scan output improved dramatically!

Cheers,
Jason


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RE: How The Heck...?

Sun Oct 15, 2000 11:44 am

Quite frankly Scott, your shots look very nice to me. Perhaps the AF is a little soft to to the shallow depth of field, and may be you might want to tweak the contrast a little in your imaging program. Overall though your work is rather nice, and your scans appear to be every bit as crisp as Chris's.

I believe what you may be looking at is the quality of light, your AW shot appears to have been taken at mid-day, where as your AF shot appears to have been taken on a overcast day, this can effect the overall quality of the photography. Where as Chris's UA shot was taken on a sunny day where the sun was behind the camera.

Often we are overly critical of our work. I often say to myself " If Johan accepts it, then there must be something to about it". And it would appear that your work appealed to Johan, otherwise it would have not been accepted.

Happy shooting,

Thomas

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RE: How The Heck...?

Sun Oct 15, 2000 2:26 pm

Hi

For starters, I find that most people who shoot slides have better pictures. When I say this, I mean higher sharpness, and overall quality. I'm not saying that print-shooters are bad, but in general, slide-scans seem to come out better.

While I have recently upgraded camera equipment (and how!), I did use cheap-stuff for years, and achieved satisfying results.
The two pictures below are examples of slides scanned with a 15-20 yr old camera(which I still use by the way!), a $200US scanner (which I still use) and a $300US 28-300mm lense (which I don't use, obviously). Basically, the cheapest equipment you can get.


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Keep in mind though, there is full-sun in both shots, which is a major factor.

I have recently replaced my 28-300mm lense for a 35-70mm F3.5 Nikkor lense, along with an F2.8 80-200mm Nikkor lense, but these two lenses alone are about $1500-1750 together, definitely a major investment. While newer cameras offer faster focusing, I always use manual focus, and with the 80-200mm lense you can visually tell that you are IN focus, where as I'm sure many of you know how hard it is to really tell if you are IN focus with a cheaper lense. It's a pain... actually, for me, that WAS a pain  

To do an exact comparison with Scott, the photo below (although shot with the new lense)is taken at the same spot (NWA Cargo) at LAX, of the same aircraft, an Air France B747-400, even F-GITC, however, in much better weather, and with Kodachrome 64 slide film. My shot was scanned with the cheap $200 scanner, a Tamarack 2400FS. I edit (basically just resizing) with PSP 5.0


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In short, top-of-the-line equipment will give you optimal results, but in the end, sunshine is what makes pictures really turn out.

Regards,
Rob


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RE: How The Heck...?

Mon Oct 16, 2000 8:53 am

Rob,

I may sound dumb as I am not one photographer... but what is slides and prints???

Thanks,
Alvin
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RE: How The Heck...?

Mon Oct 16, 2000 8:30 pm

Hi Scooter !

If you want a good lens, get a Sigma, i've heard they are the best.


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Photo © Gary Watt



That was shot with a Sigma lens(That's all you use, isn't it Gary?) and scanned with a HP 6300C.

Alvin, the slides and prints are just different kinds of pictures. Slides are just the film mounted in a piece of cardboard, and prints are just that - printed on paper.
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RE: How The Heck...?

Tue Oct 17, 2000 1:35 am

Hey guys...thanks for the replies. Yea, I guess I never really knew how much good light can effect the outcome of the picture. I spent a little time browsing through some pictures on this site, and the ones that had the most impact to me were the ones shot in a stong lighting condition. No more cloudy day shooting for me!  

Oh...BTW, I downloaded Vuescan (like Jasonm suggested), and I am WAY IMPRESSED!!!!! I didn't know my S20 could scan like that! Thanks!

-Scott
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RE: How The Heck...?

Tue Oct 17, 2000 5:41 am

I wish there was something better than PrecisionScanLT for my HP 3200C. The LT version is built for newbies, so everything is automated.  

I used to put shots I took "crooked" on the scanner opposite the direction the shot was crooked, but the PrecisionScanLT rotated the scanner bed image to make the print lined up, only hindering.

If there is anything like Vuescan that will work with a ScanJet 3200C, PLEASE tell me !
-Cullen Wassell @ MLI | Pentax K5 + DA18-55WR + Sigma 70-300 DL Macro Super
 
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RE: How The Heck...?

Wed Oct 18, 2000 4:19 am

I too have been looking for a better software program for my HP flatbed. Any suggestions out there would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Saul
 
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RE: How The Heck...?

Wed Oct 18, 2000 7:01 am

Ok Scott, it's not your camera.. It's your FILM.. Mainly the images you see are from K64 slides not print film.. Start shooting in Kodachrome K64..U will also need alot of Sun light to shoot..with this film but the quality is great and really clear images..
good luck....ken
 
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RE: How The Heck...?

Wed Oct 18, 2000 7:43 am

No, Fuji Provia is better, less grain, better colors...
-Cullen Wassell @ MLI | Pentax K5 + DA18-55WR + Sigma 70-300 DL Macro Super
 
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RE: How The Heck...?

Wed Nov 08, 2000 12:15 am

Hey Rob...what software do you have ?


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RE: How The Heck...?

Wed Nov 08, 2000 1:44 am

Hi all

Chris Sheldon is a talented photographer and I thought he was going to shoot me when I saw the size of his lens he produced when I met up with him at LHR in August!!

Regards
Gary Watt
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RE: How The Heck...?

Thu Nov 09, 2000 1:19 am

Actually that United aircraft is not sharp, you can not even read the reg or the 'Worldwide Services' on the nose. As for the rest, is has been summed up already but would just like to comment that while slide films provide the best results during sunny days it is not everybody's attitude to let a great motive go just because there is no perfect sun. Some aircrafts/color schemes only come once in life. For such moments I tend to say that slide shots without sun look crap - films might be the better choice there.

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RE: How The Heck...?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 11:49 am

Yooooooo Rob, what is the software you use for editing images?



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RE: How The Heck...?

Tue Nov 14, 2000 12:09 pm

Hi Scott,

There may be multiple solutions to your troubles, and first, I'd get some good software, such as Corel PhotoPaint 9.0, or Adobe Photoshop, which permit you to really clean up and sharpen images from either poor or even good scanners. I use the former, and you can compress images and then reduce them in size to create a sharper looking image, as well as play with a number of other things. Also, try investing in a good scanner, and scan from prints and not negatives (even though prints are enlargements of negatives). Also, light is everything in obtaining a sharp image, as is the quality of your lenses. Are your lenses fully coated, or just coated? How many elements in them? Are they flat field corrected? Are they plastic, or glass? While of course many sports lenses are great for aviation photography, they usually cost as much as a car, and most of us don't care to jump that far into our hobby. Also, are you using 35mm or medium or large format? Larger format negatives give much sharper and crisper images, so you may wish to get a Mamiya 645 or Pentax 6x7 camera,...but again, you'll need a second mortgage to do so.

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RE: How The Heck...?

Tue Nov 14, 2000 1:46 pm

Hi Ed

You are recommending all the wrong programs!   Why empty your wallet when you can get a program JUST AS GOOD for free?! I use The GIMP for Windows. It is 100% FREE, NOT shareware, NOT demoware! It is a VERY powerful program, I'd say it's twice as good as Paintshop Pro($110)! I say it's in the business. I paid $40 for my scanner(HP 3200C). I scan at 400DPI. Then I use the GIMP and do all the editing, and images like these:

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Are the end result.


For the download link to GIMP for windows, e:mail me.


Cheers!
C. Wassell
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RE: How The Heck...?

Tue Nov 14, 2000 3:05 pm

Two things I see wrong with that picture...Bad borders (You cannot have WHITE borders in a picture, it looks like schitt) Secondly, the ramp is all washed out, I'm not sure what you metered off of, that sometimes happens, but try to avoid that, as it's quite distracting, maybe get down low and shoot...

As for 6x7 cameras or MF ones, they are wonderful, if you have the room, money or paitence to load the 6x7 film sheets. A 6x7 is not the best for AV photography...

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