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Aviation Videography

Sun Dec 24, 2000 11:32 am

Are any of you into Aviation Videography?
I've noticed something very, very annoying when viewing some of the airport videos that I have. When filming a jet coming nearly directly overhead, EVERY company's cameramen (or videographer if you will) ALWAYS cuts the shot at the point where it is the most interesting (and loudest!). There's video of the jetliner until just about to the overhead position, then it's cut, and usually a follow-up shot follows with the plane well past the best and loudest moment of approach. WHY is this done this way??!! Extremely aggravating to those, such as me, who enjoy the complete approach and landing of a plane on videotape!
Maybe some of you who shoot video can explain why this is done every single time like this?!
Why is it not possible for the cameraman to pivot on one foot, swing the camera to follow the overhead movement of the aircraft, and then follow the plane to touchdown? Or is the equipment too bulky to provide such a move.
IMHO....Even a jerky turn would be better than cutting off a Boeing 747-400 when it's roaring directly above you.
Are there any other video owners out there who agree with me on this point?

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RE: Aviation Videography

Sun Dec 24, 2000 11:55 am

I call that the 'Hawaii 50' shot. If you have ever watched the opening credits of this show, a DC-8 is passing very close to the camera. The lens used for this shot appears to be some sort of a fisheye, noted by the curveture and a distortion of the aircraft. Actually I like this style of shooting and I think that this is a technique that JPV and others should use.

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RE: Aviation Videography

Sun Dec 24, 2000 12:34 pm

Thanks Thomas, for responding.

EXACTLY!! The Hawaii Five-Oh shot!! That's what I mean. In that opening shot of that great 1970's TV show, didn't they show the plane as it fully travelled over your head? That's what I'd love to see from JPV and IAPV, etc.......
But they break it up into two segments! Hate that!!
It obviously can be done in an uncut shot. But nobody uses it. Wonder why? Would be much nicer for the viewer, I think.

Thankx, Thomas, and Merry Xmas!!  
 
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RE: Aviation Videography

Sun Dec 24, 2000 2:53 pm

Not a problem, LAX. Yes the camera did indeed follow the entire aircraft in. Considering the era in which it was shot (mid to late 60s) many airport authorties would probably frown on such a daredevil stunt nowadays. The reason I said 'daredevil' is simply beacause it would appear that the photographer or remote movie cam is placed on one of the approach light bars, and in this era of higher level of security, litigation and million dollar law suits over hot coffee burns well, I highly doubt that many local airport governing bodies or the FAA (in the US) would be wild about allowing an individul to stand on so close to an approaching aircraft. But I believe this type of shot could still be done while standing at the threshold of any runway, it may not be as dramatic as th Hawaii 50 version, still we would get the entire bird. Perhaps you should suggest it to Michal of Just Planes Videos, they are often very receptive to suggestions and ideas from their viewers.

I hope to see my idea of the HNL-GUM run by Continental's Air Micronesia (Air Mike) famous island hoping run presented as upcominig 'World Air Routes' video one day. This is a video that is begging to be made.

While I am not all that familiar with 'videoography' but I have heard that the video cameras that are used by JPV are really no more sophisicated than thae standard fare tht one could buy at the corner Walmart. This is not meant as a slam at JPV, since I have their entire Int'l library to date. The only other Airport producer is another Boston based company called 'Flying Pigs' Videos, I have their LGW and LHR videos. While they are not bad videos, they did lack a certain quality that JPV had and still has. I'll have to try out one video from each from JPV's competitior, just to compare quality. Some of their best are the latest ZHR,CLK, ect...


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RE: Aviation Videography

Sun Dec 24, 2000 5:41 pm

Hey Thomas, Thanx!!!
We have something in common! I have all of JPV's stuff too! Every one, the Intl., US, FC, and WAR's. Just got the AOM MD-83 today! Great!
In fact, I have about EVERY airport video known to man. I love collecting & watching planes, as is evident! But I'm always looking for more. ITVV just came out with another. A long 2.5 hour job on a Virgin 747! Have not gotten that one yet.
Flying Pig is not the only other video maker, though. I've got everything from IAPV (in LA), AirUtopia (Virginia), Highball (Ariz.), ITVV (U.K.), Avion (U.K.), and Harry's (Germany). Have any of these? ..... I agree that JPV has the best quality. Although I do like the ATC on the Flying Pig tapes. JPV has it on a few.
I think I might suggest the "full overhead shot" to Mr. Moskal at JPV (I talk w/him frequently about lots of stuff). I don't know why the full overhead is never used (by anybody). Just turn the camera while pivoting. A jiggly shot would be better than none, don't you agree? And I hope your "island-hopping" tape gets made too. I'll buy it, you know that.
Maybe we'll talk on the Hobby Forum too sometime. I guess that's where this post belongs. Oh, well.....

Let me hear from ya. Bye. LAX
 
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RE: Aviation Videography

Mon Dec 25, 2000 12:22 am

Before I started with aviation photography in 1995, I was in the videography since 1992. All weekends I was at the airport filming aviation action inclunding the full overhead you're talking about wich is very cool to make, it's more funny to make it than to see it  
In these years I filmed lots of airlines and liveries that no longer are flying and it's very interesting nowdays to remember. One day, after seeing the JPV video of Faro, I thought to myself that all my tapes could make one "JPV style" video and after lots of hours watching, selecting and editing, the result was 2 tapes only with landings, take offs, overheads and so on.
By the way, talking about JPV, check out the new SATA International World Air Routes.

guess who took the photos...  

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RE: Aviation Videography

Mon Dec 25, 2000 6:31 am

Thomas,
Michel uses sony vx1000 digital 3 chip cameras in his airport videos- they go for over 3,500 bucks each! definetely not found in walmart :^)
 
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RE: Aviation Videography

Mon Dec 25, 2000 7:32 am

Hi Joe,

Happy Holidays!

Thanks for the correction. I had heard somewhere that their equipment was that of the standard consumer type of equipment. Next time I'll check out my information before I shoot off my mouth!

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RE: Aviation Videography

Mon Dec 25, 2000 9:17 am

http://www.planetapes.com looks like it has some good videos...from DFW especially...that's a video i've been wanting for christmas... 

What are the best JPV videos about US airports? Does anyone recommend a certain one? I've been looking at buying a few of those, but I'm not sure which ones to get! any help would be appreciated...thanks


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RE: Aviation Videography

Mon Dec 25, 2000 10:02 am

Since I live in the Houston area I have this(JPV#31 IAH/HOU) and the EWR videos, but I would not recommend the IAH/HOU video.....unless you like Continental a lot!

All the other videos in my JPV collection are in the International series.

Hi again LAX;

I am afraid that I have not tried any of the other videos except for the already mentioned Flying Pigs LGW/LHR videos. I will probably give the other producers a try in the near future though.

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RE: Aviation Videography

Mon Dec 25, 2000 1:04 pm

Hi jderden777.............I like all of them from JPV. In the US series, you may want to get US40-LAX (3 yrs. worth) or any JFK tape (always good). Try Kai Tak too, from Intl. series.
I just got the US46 from JPV (Anchorage), another for you to check out! I love that airport for some reason!
Avion Video has a really good ANC video too!
Another series of videos made by PBS on the 777 is excellent as well. Called "21st Century Jet".
 
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RE: Aviation Videography

Mon Dec 25, 2000 1:10 pm

Hey Mirage.............I liked your last post. I have that SATA video. Yet another great one from JPV.
You say you DID make a 2-tape set of videos with overheads, landings, etc.??? This is not part of JPV's inventory is it? I'd love to get them, if they are for sale somewhere.
 
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RE: Aviation Videography

Tue Dec 26, 2000 3:00 am

Hi LAX, these 2 videos have nothing to do with JPV and neither do I. I've filmed in this period only for my own and just for fun. It's a complete amateur job but of course I like it. Thanks for your interest.

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RE: Aviation Videography

Tue Jan 09, 2001 9:07 pm

Any new thoughts here?

Why do you think no video company uses this full over-the-head shot?
 
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RE: Aviation Videography

Fri Jan 12, 2001 9:47 am

We have some video on our website on the ramp at LAX.
www.geocities.com/cargyvr

check it out
 
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RE: Aviation Videography

Sun Jan 14, 2001 10:09 pm

Anybody else know why the overhead shot is seldom used?
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RE: Aviation Videography

Sat Feb 10, 2001 6:18 am

Hey LAX and gentlemen.... greetings

you mentioned about not catching planes passing overhead and finishing... check out the Airutopia St. Maarten SXM video... there is tons of that, only they FINALLY stay with the plane.

as you will see, it looks difficult with a plane buzzing over you.... you can hear in the video exhaust from planes hitting the camera to the wake vortex (or sound after the plane flying overhead) whiiiiishinnnng sound.
It obviously effects the cameras if you see this video.

but I loved that video.... I wish I was there!
 
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RE: Aviation Videography

Sat Feb 10, 2001 6:36 am

I might add,

Airliners has a positive review of Bangkok video of AirUtopia.

About JPV, some are real good, others robotic and annoying like heck when they cutoff the damn shot!!! JPV has been doing videos too long to be making these kinds of error. IAPV is very good quality video - but no content... I drank a coffee and I still fell asleep, I wont buy or recommend any IAPV. Flying pig and airutopia does have good ATC. Highball I do not know.

Anyone who wants overhead shots may want to try SXM from airutopia.

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RE: Aviation Videography

Sat Feb 10, 2001 9:40 am

I don't know, all the JPVs I've seen are pretty good. They are shot on digital tape and usually they are pretty steady although sometimes the horizon is a little crooked.

One feature I like on the YYZ is the helpful German spotter who tells you how the precise mm requirements to shoot an MD-80.
 
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RE: Aviation Videography

Sat Feb 10, 2001 9:49 am


Has anyone seen Highball or IAPV? AirUtopia?
 
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RE: Aviation Videography

Sat Feb 10, 2001 1:03 pm

I agree with PSA188, i also just got the YYZ video- its GREATTT. I think all the JPV's are really good- those guys have been around the longest of all the video companies out there. I've seen some of the other companies making video tapes- none of them get as close as JPV does- JPV gets under the planes, on the runways- theres nothing like it. Also alot of the other companies making videos out there have a very shaky product- gives you a headache.
My favorite JPV airport tape is the last LAX tape. Whats yours PSA188?
 
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RE: Aviation Videography

Sat Feb 10, 2001 8:39 pm

Joe,

I agree, JPV is the leader and he deserves much respect. The Funchao (sp?) video is my favorite.

But you may want to consider trying one of the airutopia videos down the road - i think they are on the right track. You mentioned getting "under the wing", the BKK video of Airutopia has planes wings taxiing right over you enough to see the registration on the wing.

I am just the type who wants to see variety, this is why i was asking bout highball/planetapes and others, if anyone has seen them, let me know your input.

I usually buy 2 videos of the others to check, one of the early then a later volume or edition. Why? Because i want to see if they are improving or changing to get better. Has anyone seen any VERY early JPV, they are night and day compared to now... so I will give others a shot too as they too may get better. But I only give 2 chances (im not going to spend any more than that).

Airutopia front cover shots are fantastic too... reminds me of Aviation Week magazine.
 
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RE: Aviation Videography

Sat Feb 10, 2001 8:40 pm


... by the way LAX... great subject topic you picked!
 
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RE: Aviation Videography

Sun Feb 11, 2001 5:03 am

the thing about JPV is that they get access at airports that others cannot get- regardless of whether its sharjah, dubai, miami, lax, honolulu, vancouver, j'berg- jpv gets on the runways and ramps at every airport they shoot at- i really think that none of the competitors can compete with JPV and that alot of the competition will eventually die out- JPV makes a damn fortune and is the industry leader.

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