cfalk
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Is This Cheating?

Thu Jan 18, 2001 3:34 pm

We have discussed here repeatedly about composite pictures not being fair to put together with other pics. But I was wondering what you guys think about this one.

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I confess that that was not at all the picture I was trying to take. But I made a manipulation error with the camera, and the picture came out very dark and muddy (but you could still see details like the registration number). So I floored the contrast, raised the intensity of the blues, and voila! - An artsy shot!

Is this cheating?

Charles
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thomasphoto60
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RE: Is This Cheating?

Thu Jan 18, 2001 3:55 pm

Myself I don't consider this cheating or to be a 'fake' while it is certainly 'manupilated' I still would not consider this cheating.

Now if this were a newspaper or a magazine, then you might be getting into a gray area.


Thomas
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tappan
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RE: Is This Cheating?

Thu Jan 18, 2001 7:00 pm

Hard to say...I like to keep it the way I saw it....
I like the mood of your picture though
Mark G
 
ckw
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RE: Is This Cheating?

Thu Jan 18, 2001 10:01 pm

Exposure aside (and I guess most of us adjust this to a greater or lesser degree digitally), the effect could have been acheived using a blue filter when the pic was taken. Whether you use a "blue filter" on the lens, in a darkroom or in the computer seems irrelevant to me.

Although I used to use camera filters quite a bit, I now prefer not to as filtration can be more precisely applied in the computer when required - this also eliminates any loss of light problems caused by the filter. Only exception to this is the polarizer - I can't see anyway to replicate this digitally!

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Is This Cheating?

Thu Jan 18, 2001 11:11 pm

Cheater, Cheater......Cheater ...............................


Just kidding. I like the picture the way it is. Even though I was not meant to be that way, still a nice shot.

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Vasco G.
 
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RE: Is This Cheating?

Fri Jan 19, 2001 5:13 am

While trying to find something on the web on a totally different subject, I dropped into the following : http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/98may/photo.htm. It is about digital enhancing of photos. Although it is a very long story and mainly about nature photography, it might give you some food for thought. I have lifted out two parts and copied them below :

1) "In 1991 the board of directors of the National Press Photographers Association (NPPA), noting that emerging electronic technology enabled "the manipulation of the content of an image in such a way that the change is virtually undetectable," adopted a statement of principle: "As journalists we believe the guiding principle of our profession is accuracy; therefore, we believe it is wrong to alter the content of a photograph in any way that deceives the public."

2) "About three years ago I led the industry in demanding from my agencies that they start labeling digital illustrations as such. They concurred and started labeling. Now most stock agencies around the world are following suit. I think the rest of the photographers at Jackson Hole thought that that was the most appropriate way of presenting the work. They also felt that digital enhancement -- darkening of sky, say, and other things that had been done in the past by printing techniques in the darkroom -- need not be labeled."

Regards,
Peter
 
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RE: Is This Cheating?

Fri Jan 19, 2001 5:32 am

I'm not touching this one.........  
 
mirage
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RE: Is This Cheating?

Fri Jan 19, 2001 5:44 am

I don't think it's cheating. If you had put a moon in the background or some clouds with a nice pink light, then it would be cheating. Just my opinion.

Luis, Faro, Portugal
 
tappan
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RE: Is This Cheating?

Fri Jan 19, 2001 8:38 am

hey, don't start any moon rumors Luis  Smile
Cheers
Mark Garfinkel
 
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RE: Mark

Fri Jan 19, 2001 8:52 am

LLLLLLOOOLLLLLLL Mark

he he he

thanks, you made me laugh alone in my room  Smile

Luis

P.S. I'm still laughing, he he he
 
ckw
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RE: Is This Cheating?

Fri Jan 19, 2001 5:53 pm

Shame about composites - I got some amazing shots of a lunar eclipse recently - blood red moon - but unfortunately no aircraft flew into the frame!

Thank's for sharing those quotes with us Peter - they concur with my thinking on the subject, but in my view, that still offers a fair bit of latitude. For example, photographers have been swapping skies in the darkroom since the dawn of flight - its acually a fairly simple manipulation

Cheers,

Colin
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