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Do I Have The Right Gear?

Sun Feb 25, 2001 5:58 am

Pentax ZX-7 QD Body:



Pentax Zoom Wide Angle-Tele 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6 SMCP-FA Auto Focus Lens:


Pentax Zoom Tele 80-320mm f/4.5-5.6 SMCP-FA Auto Focus Lens:


AGFA SnapScan e50 Flatbed/Film Scanner:


For those of you who are wondering, I took the equipment pictures using a Sony Mavica FD-95 2.1MP Digital Camera.
Do you think I am ready to begin Aviation Photography? The AGFA SnapScan e50 does a fantastic job scanning negatives and slides. However, last time I went spotting, Wal-Mart didn'tt develop the negatives too well. They over-saturated them, so the negatives turned out very brownish. However, when I scanned some personnal Kodak Gold 200 film, they turned out FANTASTIC! I'm not sure why. Anyways what do you think? Criticise me all you want. Say that I have the crappiest equipment in the world if you want.
If the above photos didn't load, go here: http://www.crosswinds.net/~mhap/photoequip.htm

Kind regards.
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RE: Do I Have The Right Gear?

Sun Feb 25, 2001 6:04 am

I forgot to mention, the AGFA SnapScan e50 is 42 bit 1200 x 2400 DPI Optical and is CCD Technology. Its also USB.
The reason I am asking, is I'm planning on going spotting tommorow, but it doesn't look like the weather is gonna be good. Its very cloudy here in Denver, so I'm not too sure. If it clears up, I'll go.
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RE: Do I Have The Right Gear?

Sun Feb 25, 2001 6:08 am

I wish I could have an equipment like yours  Sad

It's not that good equipment that makes you a good photographer or not, it's your skill. Much more important that the camera is the person using it.

If you don't have some "touch" or some "feeling" with aviation photography, forget this hobby, it's not this Pentax ZX-7 that will make you a good photographer. You can make wonderful photos with any manual SLR body camera.

Luis, Faro, Portugal
 
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RE: Do I Have The Right Gear?

Sun Feb 25, 2001 6:14 am

Yes, you are right.............From now on I won't go spotting on cloudy days. But nowadays Denver is always cloudy most of the time.
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RE: Do I Have The Right Gear?

Sun Feb 25, 2001 6:44 am

Please do not take this as a flame, but your question is, IMHO, nearly impossible to answer.

The answer does not lie in what equipment you use, but HOW, you use it, and when.

Like the earlier post said, if you cannot develop (no pun) a feel for aviation photography, then it is time to give up the ghost.

My advice to you, is take your equipment and get out there. Shoot any day that you can. Film is, again, IMHO, cheap. You will learn more by going out, shooting and making mistakes. Then, you will LEARN, how your specific camera reacts to specific light situations.

My Nikon F4 and my Coolpix 990, both are fine cameras, but each of them reacts very differently to light and focus and movement etc...

I went spotting today at a small airport near my house, and for the first time, I tried using ONLY the 990. The results? Well, I think the results were lousy. I might have gotten 1 or 2 usable shots. Will I submit them to here? Maybe, but probably not. I will go out again tomorrow and try some more.

Remember, by rushing your photography skills, just to try to get a couple of shots posted on A-Net, you are doing yourself a disservice, and you will probably get more rejections, then acceptances.

Joe Brown

 
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RE: Do I Have The Right Gear?

Sun Feb 25, 2001 6:48 am

Brownphoto,
Yes you are right. How good a photo turns out mainly has to do with the photographer. However, it also has to do with the epuipment you use also. If I had a disposable camera, and used it for spotting, I probably wouldn't get good results. But yes, I understand completely what you are saying, and I 100% agree with you.
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RE: Do I Have The Right Gear?

Sun Feb 25, 2001 7:22 am

Nice setup. However, Brownphoto nailed it right on the head: don't worry about your equipment, just get out there and shoot. Cloudy days, sunny days, rain, fog, snow, night, etc...just do it and you'll learn real quick what works and what doesn't.

You've obviously got the gear for great pics...now let's see some!!  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Do I Have The Right Gear?

Sun Feb 25, 2001 7:34 am

did johan ever get to those pictures you posted earlier BA? just curious how that turned out...

take care,

CHRIS
 
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RE: Do I Have The Right Gear?

Sun Feb 25, 2001 7:42 am

Yes Chris he did. He rejected them because of the grain. There was nothing I can do about that. Wal-Mart developed the film into MATTE prints. If I had GLOSS prints, they would've been excepted.
Just a tip for you. If you ever develop your film at Wal-Mart, make sure you specify that you want GLOSS prints.

Kind regards.
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RE: Do I Have The Right Gear?

Sun Feb 25, 2001 8:51 am

Don't worry too much about equipment. I remember seeing a story the other day about how one of the photographers for SI's Swimsuit Issue used a Point and Shoot and swears by it.

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BA

Sun Feb 25, 2001 8:59 am

hey send me a quick email... chris28_17@hotmail.com

I'd like to send you something outside the forums.. thanks..


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RE: Do I Have The Right Gear?

Sun Feb 25, 2001 9:19 am

Okay Chris, I sent it.
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RE: Do I Have The Right Gear?

Sun Feb 25, 2001 2:38 pm

Yo BA - great camera photos
Maybe you will get "LUCKY" soon
Time is on your side - especially when you're young
My "LUCK" will soon run out. My pictures on this fine site are kind of average. Besides this, my oldest son will go to college next year. This fact of life says that I must work more to pay the bills. Will have little to NO time to take plane pictures. I must say one thing however - It has been fun. Enjoy your free time while you have it - and use it wisely...
 
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RE: Do I Have The Right Gear?

Sun Feb 25, 2001 2:51 pm

Ha,

By da way Timings also very important for a good photographer.
Just as well as your skills..
unfortuneatly I have a 20year old camera with NO features cameras today has..
Maybe some basic stuff like lens n stuff.
Nice picts.. but I guess do what the others had told you earlier..
Im sure Chris may of given examples of some of his shots with different settings and film..

just guessing..

Bo
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RE: Do I Have The Right Gear?

Mon Feb 26, 2001 1:37 am

Thanks everyone! I'm going spotting today (don't worry, its sunny today). I will be using 100 speed film, most probably Superia 100. I'll see what I can find. Anyways, as soon as I get them developed, I'll show them to you, and you can criticise me all you want.

Kind regards.
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RE: BA

Mon Feb 26, 2001 6:03 am

Hey, About your camera.. the ZX-7
I was wonderiing how much it cost to buy the camera itself with the default lens>>?

After that I was also curious to ask you how much your lens...75-300 one cost you?

I plan on getting a new camera If possible and the price is alright.. 1000 is my area..For the complete stuff I need like Lens and stuff.,

As I saw your camera at a camera store a few days ago and if its good, then I might buy it,,

Uh.. Also what is it like to use it? Like Is easy to use or will it take an amount of time to fully know the full capabilities of it?

And.. Overall.. Is it a camera that in which it can last a long time in terms of useage and efficency??

Bo.. hehe try n answer all that.. Im a customer.  Smile
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RE: Do I Have The Right Gear?

Mon Feb 26, 2001 7:45 am

Kind of off topic, but I must say: nice camera shots. These shows you have a good eye for light, so just apply that to your aviation photography.

Were these shot under studio lights?
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RE: Do I Have The Right Gear?

Mon Feb 26, 2001 10:33 am

Two points I'd like to make. Begin using Kodachrome 64 slide film whenever possible. From my understanding on these boards, "real" aviation enthusiast only want and trade in slide films.

Secondly, save all the money you can and buy you the fastest and longest length lense you can afford. A camera body is only a light box !! Spend your money on lenses and I would only buy the brand of lenses that were the same as your camera....no sigmas, tamrons, tekinas (sp?).....canon for canon, nikor for nikon, etc.

my two cents worth !

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RE: Do I Have The Right Gear?

Mon Feb 26, 2001 12:42 pm

Jay,

I'm not sure that I would say only "real" aviation enthusiasts use Kodachrome, I'd say only those who wish to trade slides should use Kodachrome. I think you will find that many here who probably would like to be called "real aviation enthusiasts" use everything from Prints to Provia.

But don't get me wrong, Kodachrome 25 and 64 are the standards and are an absolute must if you buy and trade slides. Just ask Mr. Kodachrome (Isn't that want you want us to call you now, Michael?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy)

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RE: Do I Have The Right Gear?

Mon Feb 26, 2001 1:09 pm

Scooter,
Thanks! I took those at home, just using regular day light. They turned out a bit dark, so I brightened them a bit using a photo editing software.

BO_eing,
The Pentax ZX-7 kit with the 28-80MM lens costs $490.
The 80-320MM I believe costs around $300.

However, at B&H, you can get the ZX-7, 28-80, 80-320 combo for only $539.99! It also comes with a bag to carry your lenses and accessories.

This will be my primary camera for MANY years to come.
No, it is quite easy to learn how to use, even though it has so many features. I have nothing really bad to say about it, and its worth every penny of the full price I'd say.

Kind regards.
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-=Thanx=-

Mon Feb 26, 2001 2:10 pm

The Topic says it all man..

Bo  Smile
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Slide Film Trading

Mon Feb 26, 2001 6:45 pm

I understand that most photographers only trade slides, but, wouldn't you lose a specific shot forever if you traded the slide?
 
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RE: Slide Film Trading

Mon Feb 26, 2001 7:16 pm

Hi Lewis,

The trick here is to shoot duplicates whenever you think you might have a "trade worthy" subject.

I met a German photog at PMI last year who trade K64 slides...he had 100 rolls in his bag and thought nothing of shooting a whole roll the same if he saw anything rare as he only trades originals and never copies slides...

So if it is rare...shoot duplicates.

Cheers,
Dean

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RE: JayDavis

Mon Feb 26, 2001 8:47 pm

Jay, I'm a real aviation enthusiast and I don't shot slides. I'm a real one because I give more importance to aviation photography than to my own safety, my work, my studies, my money, my comfort, etc.

There's no need to trade slides to be considered a real aviation enthusiast, think about it...

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Tue Feb 27, 2001 6:41 am

I'm with Luis on this one...

I'm an aviation fan first...then aviation photographer...and then only for my own enjoyment.

I have never traded slides and have no interest in ever doing it. I'd rather get out there and see them for myself...and then share the results with you all here while I keep my precious slides.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Cheers,
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RE: Do I Have The Right Gear?

Tue Feb 27, 2001 6:44 am

I will never trade slides or prints.............
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RE: Slide Film Trading

Tue Feb 27, 2001 8:06 am

I understand that most photographers only trade slides, but, wouldn't you lose a specific shot forever if you traded the slide?


As mentioned, you have to shoot in-camera dupes. On a hot subject like my EL AL B747-300 shot, I shot 4 rolls of K64. On less interesting subjects like an American A300, I'd limit it to about 10-20 slides. Wait to the SAA B743 with Nigeria Airways gets in front my my camera (hopefully this weekend) and 5 or 6 rolls are expected on that one. You pick out the best slide for your personal collection and the rest usually goes into your spares collection ready for trades. While I am a heavy trader and enjoy it, it's something you have to love doing and it's not for everyone. It's a hobby like collecting baseball card, some enjoy it and some don't.

Now, regarding being a real aviation photography. I don't expect everyone to shoot Kodachrome and trade slides to be a real aviation photography. Heck, if you shoot with a 110 camera and love it, you're an aviation photography. But, on the otherhand, if you DO want to start trading seriously, I would suggest going with Kodachrome.

Saul--Yes, that's MR. KODACHROME, to you  Smile  Smile

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JayDavis/that's Me!

Tue Feb 27, 2001 9:16 am

I did not intend this to become a "pissing" contest or anything like that with my comments.

I am just stating my opinion along with many other "serious" airliner enthusiast and photographers whom I have met from Airliners.net.

I too am not into trading slides or anything like that. I just want the "best possible" and "absolute sharpest" image possible and I feel that slide film, especially
Kodachrome 64 (in my opinion) gives me a sharper and clearer photo. With slide film, what you see is what you get upon developing. Many film labs machines "look" at print film differently on a day to day basis, while slide film when processed, from what I understand, "always" turns out the same........I recently converted from print film to slide film and I've been shooting for over 12 years and I can sincerely see a difference between slide film and print film.

As I said, I'm not trying to get in a "pissing" contest or a war of words, I just think slide film is far superior to print film.

But like the rest of you, I'm an airliner enthusiast first and foremost, then an airliner photographer......

My two cents worth.....actually six cents !!

Now back to our regularly schedule program.....


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RE: Slide Film Trading

Tue Feb 27, 2001 9:29 am

Reading over my post, looks like I could have used a few "photographer" in place of "photography"

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