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Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Mon Apr 23, 2001 9:49 pm

Hello.

I'm flying MAD-LHR next weekend. I wonder if BA allows to use a digital camera onboard.

Do they also allow to use a radio-scanner?

Thanks
 
Qantas737
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Wed Apr 25, 2001 8:44 am

I dont see any problem with being able to use a digital camera on board. It's pretty much the same as your ordinary camera just it stores the photos. I found it strange that items such as Nintendo Gameboys can't be used on the aircraft but if gameboys arent allowed to be used then I dont think a Digital camera can be used. Radio scanners I dont know about sorry. Just bring it really and hope for the best. Doesnt hurt to ask as you board  Big grin
 
usairways@clt
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Wed Apr 25, 2001 10:11 am

SS:

I use a camera on most flights, and although the flight attendents have seen me with it during landing, they didn't seem to care. So, I guess the answer is yes. I don't see why not.

On the question about the scanner, I have a transciever (2 way radio) for aircraft, and I turn it on as soon as we hit 10,000ft. Sometimes I can track our flight until descent. One time the flight attendent asked me about it and asked if I want the frequency they were on at the time (although he never did give it to me).

I also asked a NWA captain if I could use it, and he got a little apprehensive about the idea of a 2 way radio....he lived...

You should be fine in both cases.

regards,
zach
 
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Tue May 01, 2001 7:44 am

At least on Finnair usage of anything which is sending or receving any kind of radio signal is prohibited.

Regards
Alexander
 
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Tue May 01, 2001 7:56 am

Hi there,

The flight I have been they wouldn't accept electric camera's. (because of the board computers of the airplane) "md -11 martinair" to palmas the mallorca.

Most aircrafts it's not a problem it depends of the crew what they have heard from the captain or what they have learned.

You most try before you know what the crew wants or not.

I wish you good luck

cheers,  Smile

Jeffrey van Beek
 
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Tue May 01, 2001 8:12 am

The electronic equipment rules tend to vary from carrier to carrier with most accepting usage apart from in the periods of flight immediately after take off and on approach.

I have personally used both an analogue video cam and a digital camera in flight and none of my many airline contacts can see any reason not to.

Radios are, however, different.

As far as I know, it is an offence for a passenger to use any transmitting or receiving equipment on any a flight operated as a revenue earning service in just about any country in the world.

We all know about the ban on using mobile phones (now seriously implicated in bringing down a Thai A310 which, when the Captain announced a diversion, had a large number of its passengers use their mobiles to inform their office/home etc. Whilst the aircraft crashed in poor conditions, it is thought that the use of the phones, en masse, caused problems with reception of navigation aids) and for mobile phones, you can also read radios, with a transceiver being a big no-no.
 
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Wed May 02, 2001 5:02 am

What about a GPS?
And this is an old chestnut... just look at the amount of footage from media people on take off and landing. and they are still living.
Anyway how does the radio signal to your phone (turned off) know to stop at the outside of the plane and not go inside to check?
sometimes i think paranoia is ruining this world
 
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RE: Silverfox

Wed May 02, 2001 5:09 am

>Anyway how does the radio signal to your phone (turned off) know to stop at the outside of the plane and not go inside to check?
sometimes i think paranoia is ruining this world <

Well, if your phone is turned off, there is no communication between that and the base station, so the signal isn't sent at all.  Insane

/JM
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usairways@clt
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Wed May 02, 2001 6:21 am

I've never heard that it's prohibited to use transmitting devices onboard an aircraft.

I'm sure the pilot would of let me know if it was.

-zach
 
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Thu May 03, 2001 2:54 am

Usairways@clt

You need to read the FAA rules and air navigation directives.

Using an unauthorised receiver or transceiver in flight IS illegal.

Even a receiver can re-transmit signals which can interfere with communication equipment.

Your flippant attitude regarding the NW pilot is appalling and you have no right to risk your safety and that of others by selfish use of equipment.

 
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Thu May 03, 2001 3:34 am

Jan.. you are wrong about the signal.
Does this mean then that if you switch your FM radio off the main transmitter shuts down...I think not.The signal is still sent from the preson who activated their phone, if the transmitter doesnt connect, THEN it sends a mesasage back to the originator.
Its just so airey fairy about what does and doesnt happen. And do you know the reason behind not using phones in filling stations?
Its if some dope drops it and the battery causes a spark, which MIGHT ignite the gases in the vicinity. nothing about signals at all. otherwise all those other radio signals that are racing around this planet will be doing some untold damage. Or i have i got it all wrong?

 
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Thu May 03, 2001 4:34 am

Silverfox,
OK, you turned off your phone, your buddy calls your number. What happens? Which base station is gonna try to reach your phone? Every single one on earth?
If your phone is turned off nobody could possibly know where you are...? That's why you hear stuff like "the number you have dialed can't be reached right now, please try again later" as opposed to actually ringing.

I am in no way an expert in this field, so if someone actually has knowledge about this matter, please let us know.
/JM
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Thu May 03, 2001 4:36 am

PhilB:

My regard to the NWA pilot was in no way flippant. He said it was ok to
use the transciever, so I trusted his judgment.

-zach
 
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Thu May 03, 2001 4:39 am

Jan, what Silverfox is trying to tell you is that with your phone turned on or turned off, we still live under an enormous net of radio waves and electronic interferences. It doesn't matter if you have your phone turned off because the radio waves are surrounding us everywhere.

Luis
 
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Thu May 03, 2001 4:49 am

Oh, man...
guess I can't argue with that..
/JM
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philb
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Thu May 03, 2001 7:27 am

1 Phones.

With your cell phone turned on (or your radio for that matter) you can create a regenerative signal that will interfere with air to ground communications, ILS equipment on the aircraft and datalink.

Similar interference is the reason you have to switch off phones and VHF CBs in hospitals and hospital car parks as the regenerative signal can interfere with hospital pagers.

Any equipment approved for use on aircraft (or in hospitals for that matter) is tested, screened against regeneration and restricted to specific frequency variation.

2. The reason phones should be switched off on gas station forecourts has nothing to do with batteries. Fuel vapour can enter the phone and any piece of electronic equipment (even state of the art technology) has the potential create arcing. Fuel molecules are highly pervasive and tempearture sensitive and even almost invisible arcing can reach temperatures far in excess of the flash point of the air/vapour mix.

Usairways@40clt, So "he lived" in the context you wrote it isn't flippant? I suggest you look up the dictionary definition.
 
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Thu May 03, 2001 9:15 am

PhilB:

"I'm sure the pilot would of let me know if it was."

I was regarding this as not being flippant.

And yes, I know what the word means.

zach
 
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Fri May 04, 2001 3:53 am

Mirage,
A direct hit, Thats exactly what i was getting at. Radio waves of whatever origin are no rtespecters of prohibited space.
Like theres signs that say Radio Waves stop here!!!!
I dont want to flame its just i dont think some of the reasons given hold water.
Anyway lets get back taking Phots!!

Best Wishes
 
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Fri May 04, 2001 7:44 am

Silverfox/Mirage,

The point you are missing is that a receiver (even with no transmitting equipment included), if in some way faulty, can act as a transmitter and block/interfere with other signals.

Regeneration of received signals is a well known phenomenon and there have been thousands of documented instances over the years of such interference.

For many years various airports in the UK banned aircraft band receivers as some makes were known to cause problems, particularly with ILS equipment. Manufacturers took note and improved the situation - but it is not possible to 100% cure it.

The problem with a regenerated signal is that it is random, will crop up on any frequency and, if the signal is regenerated in close proximity to another receiver it will cause problems with legitimate signals.

Quite often, at airports where you see a large number of enthusiasts with radios operating different frequencies but standing in close proximity, you will find someone complaining he is hearing the wrong signal, or all his signals are blocked, due to this problem.

Similar problems can occur with laptop computers. You can demonstrate this by firing up your laptop, or PC for that matter, whilst placing your radio close by.

With many, though not all, computers you will get interference whilst Windows is loading, or whilst saving documents.

Airlines try to accommodate the needs of the passenger to work or entertain themselves and balance these with the needs of safety.

Digital cameras and video recorders are a "grey" area as they use very low battery power, have no receiver or transmitter and have not been found to cause a problem. As for TV standard recording equipment, this is always checked out prior to on board use - as is the equipment used by companies recording the popular flight deck videos.
 
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Sat May 05, 2001 10:55 pm

Before you take off, I would just ask the flight crew.

Jeff
 
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RE: Is It Allowed To Use A Digital Camera Onbord?

Sat May 05, 2001 11:06 pm

DeltAirlines - I agree, just ask the crew. Probably "yes" to the camera but a big fat "no" to the scanner. SS, please let us know how you get on.

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