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Comparing 3 Film Scanners

Sun Jun 10, 2001 11:33 pm

Hello,

I've been thinking about getting a new film scanner, to scan negatives. So just one simple question to the experienced users: Between the HP S20, Minolta Dimage Scan Dual and Nikon Coolscan III scanners, wich one is the best?

I don't know if I can put the question like this but I need something to compare these 3 scanners.

thanks
Luis
 
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RE: Comparing 3 Film Scanners

Mon Jun 11, 2001 12:10 am

I've had both the Scan Dual and now have the Coolscan III.

In my opinion, the Minolta did better with negatives, and the Nikon does better with slides. I haven't a clue why, but my negatives come out grainy with the Coolscan.

The S20 seems to be popular but querky. I don't have one, though.

Charles
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RE: Comparing 3 Film Scanners

Mon Jun 11, 2001 3:22 am

thanks Charles, do you have an idea if the price range is the same for these 3 scanners? and what do you mean with "querky"?

Luis
 
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RE: Comparing 3 Film Scanners

Mon Jun 11, 2001 4:10 am

Hi Luis,

I'm using the S20 for almost two years now. It's a nice scanner, because you can set it in three modes.
You can scan negatives, prints and slides with it.
I have less experience with scanning slides, but the results with negatives and prints are good.
The res. for negatives is 2400dpi, for prints 300dpi.

I don't use the HP software, but Vuescan. For negatives, Vuescan is a real miracle. With the HP software, the darker parts (ie under the wings) came out too dark. But with Vuescan these parts come out just a bright as the other parts of the aircraft.


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As you can see, the parts under the wings are very light and you can see a lot of detail in it.

The price of the HP S20 in June 1999 was about 1250
Dutch guilders (= about 113700 Portugese Escudos)

If you have further questions, please let me know.

Regards,

Miguel
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RE: Comparing 3 Film Scanners

Mon Jun 11, 2001 4:28 am

Hi Miguel,

Thanks, your reply was really a great help for me because I needed an opinion on the S20. I must check the prices, hopefully from 99 till now the price may have decreased.

Please give my compliments to your parents, it was very nice to meet you, 2 years ago here.

best regards from sunny Algarve
Luis
 
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RE: Comparing 3 Film Scanners

Mon Jun 11, 2001 5:40 am

By Querky, I mean that, according to what I have read about it on this forum, some people love it, and others have had all sorts of problems with it.

Charles
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RE: Comparing 3 Film Scanners

Mon Jun 11, 2001 5:48 am

Miguel, how many scans do you made for each negative?, in case you use the multiscan option in Vuescan.

 
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RE: Comparing 3 Film Scanners

Mon Jun 11, 2001 6:56 am

Hi Luis,

Time goes fast, yeah it's almos two years ago  Smile
But it was a nice trip and I hope to come back some time...
Already plans to visit Amsterdam?

I don't use the multiscan option. I scan every photo just one time.
By the way, I got another great improvement by changing my film. I used Kodak Gold 200 ISO for several years. Now I use Fuji Reala 100. It has less grain than the 200 and it gives more nice, natural colours.

Bye, and regards from my parents too.
Miguel

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RE: Comparing 3 Film Scanners

Mon Jun 11, 2001 7:45 am

Miguel,

I was at Amsterdam twice, on the first time (May 99) no time for planes and again one month ago while waiting for the connection flight to Miami. I was at the terminal terrace only a couple of hours and then went to the city, I could not miss that special atmosphere, Amsterdam is unique  Smile

I asked about the multiscan option because I think it gives an average scan that eliminates some dust or white points, but by looking at your photos I see that one pass seems to be enough.

It's funny because I made the same change as you by starting using only Fuji Reala some monthes ago and the results are very good. Reala 100 doesn't gives grainy skies, expensive but worthes the money.

Miguel (or anybody) do you know what's the difference between the S20 and the S20xi?

Luis
 
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RE: Comparing 3 Film Scanners

Mon Jun 11, 2001 2:51 pm

Multi pass scan will not eliminate dust or white spots.
It will only average out some ccd noice.
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RE: Comparing 3 Film Scanners

Mon Jun 11, 2001 3:49 pm

Luis,

I'm not 100% sure, but I tought the XI version has some extra software. Some LE -version of a photo editing program.

Miguel
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RE: Comparing 3 Film Scanners

Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:31 pm

The Nikon III Coolscan is now discontinued - replaced by the IV - which means you may be able to get the III discounted - the IV is quite pricey.

The Coolscan III is IMHO a significant step up from the S20 (I owned one briefly, was not satisfied, and changed for a Coolscan). I found the S20 was OK for negs, but not good with slides. The Coolscan deals with either superbly, esp. with Vuescan.

I can't comment on the Minolta. The sometimes reported graininess of the Coolscans is apparently due to the light source, said to be the "hardest" light of any scanner. But this hard light also results in excellent sharpness, and the nature of the light source is not subsequent to fading over time.

We have seen in this list reports of Minoltas failing - I've not seen reports of dead Nikons. My LS30 did well in excess of 20k scans before I sold it on ... and it was as good as new.

Cheers,

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RE: Comparing 3 Film Scanners

Tue Jun 12, 2001 3:41 am

thanks all, I have ordered the S20. I'll scan prints or negatives, let's see what the future brings... at least it MUST be better than my current HP5100C.

Luis

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