n907cl
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To Upload Or Not, Respect For The Family

Mon Jun 11, 2001 12:48 am

I know a thread was started about posting photos of civilian airliners that have crashed with fatalities. If the photo of the aircraft is already on Airliners.net before it crashed, so be it. After one has crashed, some said they would post the aircraft, some said they wouldn’t.
On military aircraft what would you do? I have a photo of one in flight that was shot down a year later in Vietnam. I have found the name of the pilot that was killed also. Two sources I found said he was killed in the shot down. One source said he was killed as a P.O.W. I have discussed this issue with my dad, the source for the photo and a Vietnam Vet. He said it would be ok to upload the photo but leave off the name of the pilot that was killed. It wouldn’t keep anybody else looking up the history of the aircraft though, and I’m not going to compose the picture so you can’t read the tail number either. So I was going to upload the photo when the tread about posting crashed aircraft was started and had me thinking all over again about posting the photo.

Is posting this aircraft showing disrespect to the family of the pilot? Is this photo appropriate for Airliners.net? Johan is starting a military section. Should I upload this photo on a Vietnam Veterans web page instead? On a lot of Veterans web pages, they do show airplanes that have been shot down. This photo may mean more to war veterans that a bunch of snot nose teenagers who post stupid remarks in the forums. That’s why I’m thinking it belongs on http://home.att.net/~bkkbob/Index.htm or http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/1979/history.html instead.

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RE: To Upload Or Not, Respect For The Family

Mon Jun 11, 2001 6:41 am

Photographs are pictorial records of a moment in time. As such, they stand on their own merits and need not be related to an incident at an instant later in time.

As someone who has been an amateur historian for many years, I would say upload it and mention the demise of the aircraft. There is no need to mention the pilot, though it may be a tribute to a courageous man if you do.

Many years ago two USAF aircraft crashed in the Peak District of Derbyshire. An aviation society I belonged to came into possession of a turbine blade fragment from one of the crashed aircraft and we decided that, mounted on a plinth, it would make an excellent trophy for an Inter -Society Quiz competition between Societies in the North West of England.

We named the trophy after both pilots involved (gained from Pentagon records) and, eventually when the contest had been running for some years, managed to contact one family member of one of the crew involved who expressed absolute delight with what we had done.
 
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RE: To Upload Or Not, Respect For The Family

Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:33 pm

I beleive that you should upload the photo - it is a part of history - and to be honest your reason is a bit hypocritical, you said that it could be disrespectful for family of that pilot if you upload photo - but you forgot to mention vietnamese families who lost their loved ones because of that aircraft and because of that pilot but then no photos from Vietnam war should be added, actually no photos of military aircraft at all - but this is not what I am suggesting
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n907cl
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RE: To Upload Or Not, Respect For The Family

Tue Jun 12, 2001 6:42 am

I’m not trying to be a hypocrite, I realize that numerous people were effected by this war. Most casualties of war and their families do not know the specific person or the specific identification of the item that made them a causality. Maybe I would be a hypocrite if I posted the other pictures, you can’t identify the aircraft, that doesn’t mean they didn’t bring death and destruction. There are thousands of books and items already on the Internet that can be identified to a specific person or event. What is one more photo.

When I was growing up I looked at WWII as history. I associated no real emotions to the event. So I remember some parts of the Vietnam War as it happened and that makes a difference to me. Most people under 30 probably look at the Vietnam War as history, with no emotion just like I did for WWII.
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RE: To Upload Or Not, Respect For The Family

Tue Jun 12, 2001 3:46 pm

N907CL - it was not personal attack on you and I apologize if you felt insulted in some way, it was attack on general opinion UPLOAD THE PHOTO
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RE: To Upload Or Not, Respect For The Family

Tue Jun 12, 2001 4:41 pm

This site is about aircraft, and contains a historical record of a wide variety of planes, civilian and military. Every single plane out there has its own, personal history, some more ignomous than others. I believe that, as a matter of history , the photos should be uploaded, as it creates a visual cue for the person viewing it to ponder. I know that after 9V-SPK crashed in Taipei last year, there were a huge number of uploads of that plane, some taken only days or weeks before the accident, and many of those caused me to stop and think about what happened aboard that flight.

my 2 cents.

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