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New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 9:13 am

Hello all,

As the popularity of this site has grown, so has the waiting times for getting your photos processed. It's not good for anyone and especially not for me as photographers might get tired of the long waiting times and just stop uploading their photos.

Many suggestions for solutions to this problem have been discussed in this forum and I've read it all with great interest.

After careful consideration, I've decided to try the following:

I will let more people into the photo rejection process. A selected few will get access to the administration pages and given ability to reject photos that are clearly not acceptable for Airliners.net. The normal confirmation emails will be sent out with the rejection messages. Those photos deemed acceptable or "border cases" will be left on the admin page and processed by me in a normal fashion. Therefore, only I will be able to add photos to the Airliners.net database. The "helpers" will only be able to reject photos. My workload will be significantly reduced as I won't have to view and process every obvious rejection and we will therefore be able to process photos much faster.

To help out with this, I am looking for photographers with many photos in the database that have been around for a long time and never or rarely have photos rejected. Furthermore, a fast Internet connection is, if not required, at least recommended as you have to open the large version of every photo to review it's quality.

If you match the above requirements and have the time and interest, please email me for further information. Your help is very much appreciated.

Regards,
Johan Lundgren
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 9:32 am

Good to hear.
I've been waiting for about 5 weeks now.
Too long as I only uploaded 2 photos in the que.
Ive already stopped uploading for a while because of the extensive amounts of time I have to wait.

Perhaps after youve made a decision of who will be your "helpers"
I'll start again and see how things goes.

Still excluding the volume of photos to process everytime.
This site is growing steadily and smoothly.
Good work!


What kind of connection does airliners.net use for its server? Fiber optics?

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 12:59 pm

I wonder, is there any kind of software that can automatically weed thru any obvious rejections? Like scan an incoming photo for pixel size. resolution, and some basic things, that can automate the process any?

Johan, I'm curious, how many photos are sent to the upload page daily (average)?

Basically I like the idea. Kind of a "team effort" - a "team" of photo editors.
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 1:03 pm

4440 photos waiting to be processed.
Oh my. And Johan has to look all of those manually 1 by 1 and add warnings as well reject some and put in the copyright tag for accepted ones.

GOod luck!

(probably with the volunteers which will happen very soon this will dramatically shorten.)
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 1:33 pm

well, the copyrights are most likely added automatically (note how they do not show in the thumbnails), so one less task to perform.
Automating the rejection process is very hard (at least in a meaningfull fashion, setting an automated rejection on every Xth picture uploaded is easy). The software might weed out photos that are the wrong size (too small or too large), but that's about it.
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 2:35 pm

AHhh.. yes, this was my choice for the best solution, i would love to be a "helper" but my 56K and bazillion hour work weeks wont be efficient...

cant wait to see how it works out! thanks for the feedback, thats really what keeps this site going so well..

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 2:35 pm

Sounds good...also this lets Johan "off the hook" when people blame him for rejections...now it will be a bunch of people
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 4:56 pm

Sounds good to me too. There are probably a large part of the uploaded photos which don't have the quality for airliners.net. And if someone else is rejecting the bad photos and Johan only watch the good ones, the process must go much faster. I hope this will be reality soon.

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 5:21 pm

I do not like this idea, as it leaves many oppertunities for somebody's personal opinion of particular people to decide if the photo is acceptable or not. I think this will result in lots of complaint e-mails to you Johan. While I appriciate this must be an awful amount of work for you, you must be sure that personal opinions are not involved in the processing of shots.
 
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 5:26 pm

Seems to be an interesting idea to say the least. It has good and bad points I guess. But if the final decision is up to Johan I guess ultimately it is going to be ok.

I dare say however that the rejection message should be from the PERSON who rejects it and NOT the "airliners.net team" so that the persons rejections and reasons can therefore be monitored in the event of complaints.

Will this be part of this new system? And will the names of the volunteers be published?

I like it, and I don't like it..... hard decision but I guess with time and practice it could work and really benefit all of us.

Regards
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 6:38 pm

I would like to say whilst long upload times do not bother most of you, as you don't have to wait a month to get a rejection/acceptance email, please give a thought to the fact that there are far more people who would just love to get just even a few photos accepted.

I can't see why we should not give it a go, what have we got to loose. Nothing ventured will result in nothing being gained.

I would like to add a further suggestion. Would there be perhaps a provision for the people dong the pre screening to add a personal message to some of the rejection letters. I remember when I first tried uploading how difficult it was to comprehend just what was wrong. Now I'm not having a go at the general messages, they are as good as one could ever make them, however what I think would help firsttime wouldbe airliners.net photographers is a personal message (even a line or two) just pointing out what was the problem areas in particular... even something like "Overexposure in the top right hand corner" it takes 5 seconds to type and really helps the photographer in helping themselves really - as im sure it would make becoming an airliners.net photographer far easier as you wouldn't simply get a the generic low quality message.

Now I'm not saying that it is an absolute must, but even if it were to be done for 5% of the photos that were rejected by the pre-screeners (the ones that were genuine attempts (ie airline photos) - just fell short of the quality criteria and not rejected due to a web page being present or the like.

I'm looking forward to seeing the results of this new system.

Best Regards

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 6:44 pm

That should be good, things would speed up and one would hear fewer complaints on the forum about the slow database additions. I hope to start posting soon as I have several pictures... but I need access to a scanner first.

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 6:49 pm

I really like this idea and would like to help Johan on this way.

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 6:58 pm

I think it is a good idea - and to keep "THE JUDGES" objective, the photos should be displayed without the photographers name - so this would eliminate "HE REJECTED IT BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIKE ME",
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 7:26 pm

I think that the criteria for the volunteers should be limited to quality (i.e. graininess, over/underexposure, etc) and not composition (i.e. rear 3/4, side, etc.). Otherwise it sounds like a good idea.
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 7:41 pm

I agree that the review process should be anonymous. Maybe the bundling of photos for a shooter should also be abandoned. I have the feeling entire batches get rejected if the first shot in line is not up to standard (or just not liked). This may be due to pressure or maybe not conscious, but it is easy to do something about it.
The number of emails would go up, of course  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 9:03 pm

there is a potential problem in this system - if photographer who checks other photos has photos at the back of the queue it is in his interest that number of shots in front of him gets reduced therefore his photos would be processed faster: there are two solutions: only photos from behind would be checked (not a very good system) priority check for these photographers (after al, if they put additional work in site they deserve priority treatment) - of course if this system is applied there would be need for a limit of other "picture rejectors"
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 9:30 pm

I'm sure Johan will get a group of excellent photographers to review and reject photos before they are sent to Johan. I know Johan will set a strict guideline to reject photos.
Being new at shooting photos with an SLR, I welcome having my photos viewed and rejected by other photographers.

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 9:47 pm

I think this would be a great idea, after all, they aren't going to reject them just because they don't like the person. Its more like they reject the ones that are completely obviously not good enough, and leave the closer decisions for Johan.

I think putting the name of the person who views your photo's is a good idea, because then you get a better idea of just how much better your photo's need to be (that would help me, i get the same message with ones that i first uploaded that were poor, and some recently which had a good chance of getting on).

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 9:55 pm

Hi,

I could help you with that, but I only have one problem: I'm using a 33.6 kb/s connection, so I think it would take longer time to reject/choose the photos than you do now...

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 9:59 pm

Sounds good so far but there might be some problems like for example "Dknudsen" mentioned. I wonder who will do the job. That you have many photos in the db doesn't necessarily mean you are objective. I would say we had many photos less if those who get every shot added didn't upload so many, let's say "boring" (which isn't an offense to anyone), which doesn't mean bad in some way but you know what I mean. People with few shots try their best, I think and everybody want some of his shots get added, but those who are really good could select their shots a bit better.
Another thing is that I don't think we need reasons for rejections. Anybody can watch the pictures in the db and see the requirements pretty easily. And if it's a "border case" it's Johan's decision anyway. So he'll like it or not. Maybe that would make people upload their pics again and again but think about it. Wouldn't it save some time?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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Addition

Sat Jun 30, 2001 10:13 pm

Just one more thing in case those who have many photos here feel offended. Of course I can understand what for example Chris Sheldon said in the other thread. Such photographers are building most of the db and are very important for the site and I like the work of many of them. I was more thinking about scan quality, scratches, dirt and stuff like that. Or take AirNikon as a good example. He has the most pics but he's always adding a big diversity of aircraft from all over the world which is never boring. I know you all want your photos get added which is of course not wrong but sometimes I just think - did we really need that photo? Another good example would be Jan Mogren. He has only about 80 pis but only excellent photos. And the his views show that this kind of work is appreciated.
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 10:14 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong but my perception of how this would work is that there would be a number of individuals who would weed out all the really really bad shots and the ones that will be rejected on account of being to small, not being of an aircraft or having a webpage ad in them.

This would then allow Johan to look at the ones that have a chance of being accepted and thereby in the time available to him upload more photos by the virtue of the fact he does not have to look at the ones that have allready been rejected for reasons mentioned above.

Is this close to the mark or have I completely missed the target?

 
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 10:40 pm

Well, I have always voiced support for some form of editorial assistance for Johan. The workload the he must face on a daily basis is massive to say the least and without some help in reviewing the constant barrage of photos that are sent in on a daily basis, could possibly lead to the shutting down of this site........a victim of its own sucess!

Now, I do have one concern however and that is with the asking for help from the rank and file A.Net'ers. My concern is mainly to do with the area of objectiviety and partiality. Lets face it, human nature being what it is, who's to say that one of the assistants that Johan selects decides to give a thumbs down to a photo based not on the quality of the photo, but whether the assistant has a grudge against a given photographer. Personally I have said (and will continue to do so) things, made comments and statements that have angered a few of my fellow A.Net'ers. What should happen if someone who really dislikes me should start giving most of my submissions a no vote ? I am not saying that this will happen, but the possibilities of an assistant exacting revenge against a photographer is wide open. Of course this is dependant upon on how much power and say so Johan gives his assistants. I rather like the idea of bringing a non-A.Net'er, someone who has no bias towards anyone here, someone who is completly impartial.

That said and my concerned voiced, I will continue to support Johan with his decision.

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 10:59 pm

We have to be careful, however. I hope that one guy, who thinks that any pic which closely duplicates another should be rejected, doesn't have sole power to knock it out.

Let's say for instance, that two identical pictures are taken, of the same plave and the same plane, same situation, but a year apart. Some people might want to see that the plane was seen at this place 2 years in a row, or more.

The panel of "prescreeners" should concentrate on the purely qualatative aspects - Grain, aesthetics, clutter, size, etc. And Johan should make them agree to this when they sign on.

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 11:35 pm

The new photo process is a good idea. I think airliners.net is receiving an average of 500 to 1000 new photos a day creating and giving a lot of work to Johan. Using helpers will help the site and the photographers that are waiting for an answer from airliners.net.

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sat Jun 30, 2001 11:40 pm

Good idea..

May I sugguest, the helper(s) can not weed the photos which came from his/her own country or place.

Please consider...

 
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 12:06 am

Folks, it comes down to a voting process. How about the following.

An number of us received an email this morning. Let's say the same persons get a password assigned and access to a (new) admin area, designed not much different than the current public layout, where we can "surf the queue". At bottom of the big picture page are two buttons. One thumb up, one down.

In order to get accepted, a pic needs -let say- 10 more thumbs up than down.
Example: 11 up vs 1 down = OK; 14 down vs 4 up = rejected; 12 up vs 6 down = keeps in the queue until a difference of 10 between up and down is reached.

That way NO individual (except Johan of course) would have the power to kick something out that the majority would accept (and vice versa).

Just an idea  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 12:23 am

Hi!
I like 2 ideas mentioned in the above replies:
1.) Removing the names from the photos to be judged
2.) and the idea of not letting peoeple vote about photos from their own country.
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 1:22 am

I think that the criteria for the volunteers should be limited to quality (i.e. graininess, over/underexposure, etc) and not composition (i.e. rear 3/4, side, etc.). Otherwise it sounds like a good idea.

my thoughts exactly!! the point of the "pre screeners" is not to look critically at every picture, but to reject the obvious ones, if they even have to think twice about it, it should go to Johan.

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What should happen if someone who really dislikes me should start giving most of my submissions a no vote ? I am not saying that this will happen, but the possibilities of an assistant exacting revenge against a photographer is wide open.

I think most of us in here are not that shallow. Technically, Johan could be doing that all along, (playing favorites) he probably has people in here that piss him off, but i doubt he rejects thier pictures because of it... My point being, yeah, like you said that is human nature, but i think Johan and whomever he chooses to help him will more than likely be more mature than to do something like that.

.... now if he takes one of the 12 yo kids from the non-aviation forum to help him, thats a different story  Smile


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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 2:01 am

I would do it, I have a cable conection.....but no photos on the database.
 
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 3:01 am

since the "pre-screeners" will only have power to reject, and not to accept, it would be reasonable thing to do that they do not check photos from "travel list" photographers- because they would reject only a small part, but view many pics - so this would be waste of time
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 4:03 am

I believe this has the potential put this site onto the next phase; a true community!!

With more people helping in the process, it can only get faster, and better for all concerned.

However I think that the photos should be anonymous, as this would certainly be the fairest way to go about it.
Don't forget, alot of the photographers here are good friends, and this could also lead to favouritism, with a friend also uploading another friends photo. With these things, you have to love at both sides of the coin!!

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 7:38 am

Well, I think its a step towards true peer review, and I endorse it - but I suspect its going to be a painful gestation ... whereas rejections from Johan are rejected for the most part, I can see a whole new slew of "why was my pic rejected" type complaints. And lets face it, it is bound to be the case the some of the intial batch of assistants will prove to be poor choices - a good photographer does not always make a good editor!

But if A.net is going to scale, this is a sensible way forward. It astonishes me it has got as big as it has under the current model - but there will be teething problems!

Cheers,

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 7:43 am

Since there will be a number of people reviewing pics, why not require 2 or even 3 people to finally reject a pic and dump it from the queue?

just a thought.

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 7:48 am

Hi Johan,
Lets face it... like you say.... one person cannot do it all. As far as the photos are 'judged without any bias or favouritism' it will really help. Let me know anyway I can be of help. Thanks, RC
 
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 8:11 am

My view is similar to that of others who have suggested that the assistants should be responsible for weeding through the obvious rejections while leaving the close calls up to Johan. I don't see any point in requiring a consensus of 2, 3 or more reviewers on rejecting a particular shot because that defeats the purpose. The real goal here is to delegate and split the work since it's becoming too much for one person to handle. If all reviewers would have to go through all 4500 or so pending photos the whole process would take longer than ever. There should definately be some overlooking of their work in the initial stages so that he can satisfy himself that the system is working to his liking but it really would need people working independently on different portions of the upload queue for this to keep wait times to a minimum.

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 10:32 am

I totally agree with "PUnmuth@VIE's" two points:

"1.) Removing the names from the photos to be judged
2.) and the idea of not letting peoeple vote about photos from their own country.
Peter"

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 10:55 am

hey!

I have an idea that may also help reduce upload stress.
Well with all these photos in the queue, we wait weeks until something happens.

Ever since the Photo processing page was made we were able to check how many pictures we had and how many pictures of ours that were waiting in the upload.

Chances are we probably check our photo stats everyday to see how much longer we wait.

Well I would suggest that if it is possible.
Johan should change the photo-stats page a bit so we can actually SEEE our awaiting uploaded photos with the name of the file with the thumbnail and etc.

So when we look at the photo stats page and see how uploads are going. We can look at our waiting shots and see if you STILL think its a good enough picture to be added on to the site?
perhaps after a closer look, some may see that this photo uploaded doesnt look as good as what first thought and you can improve it, you can just delete it yourself in the upload queue.Thus eliminating junk and shortening the amount of volume of photos creating a faster higher quality processing.


Ya, it is a good idea to first see if your photos good enough for the site before you even upload.
But how many of us actually do a complete, thrill accurate check to ensure every quality of it is good?
(Even after it is fixed up a bit in photo programs?)

Do you guys think thats a creative idea to help out COMMUNITY?  Big grin hehe.


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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 11:00 am

i kinda like bo's idea, at least to see the filenames would be nice, i often forget which photos i've added

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 11:21 am

Bo, that's a good idea.

Often we upload a photo, thinking that we have that show stopper shot. But after you have had a chance to reflect on that pic and looking at it with a clearer head you may have a change of heart, as it may not look as good as you had originally thought. I can not tell you how many times I have regreted some of the photos that I had uploaded (and accepted) here, only to request that they be deleted later.

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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 11:32 am

I like the idea that Bo came up with. I have problems with file names a lot, and sometimes this leads to duplicate submissions. Maybe not a thumbnail as when people get up past 30 pix waiting, it'll take a while to load.
 
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 1:17 pm

hey, thanks for your comments guys.
Chris/Chris/Thomas.
Very heartful of you guys Big grin

I forgot to mention about the batches.. well I cant really think of what to say aobut that.
Probably like what Chrisair had said. just load up thumbnails for all shots uploaded even if it exceeds 20 or so. Loading problems. well maybe there can be an option like int the search menu.. 30 with pictures or 60 without pictures.. Something similar can be applied to the stats menu that I had first suggested.
I think you guys know what I mean.
This option will allow slower connectors to breeze thru and fast connectors to see all their shots being waited.

Tom: hehe your not alone. I see seome of my old shots that I regret when i used to scan on flatbed.. ouch!


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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 1:45 pm

I believe that would be too much Bo. I'm really afraid that one of these days J's server(s) will blow up if too many search features are added.

The best idea is probably just a list of all, regardless of the number, from 1 to whatever.
 
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 3:13 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Johan is asking for help and many are offering excellent solutions!

I have posted photos in the past and found that some are viewed more often than others.
When viewing pages of photos, it is quite simple to see how often a particular photo has been viewed at full size. Why not offer photographers a chance to view thumbnails and let them choose which ones to view full size? I am not certain of the number of photographers in the database, but allow them the chance to critque. I not really certain the the originating country has to be included, but just post pages of thumbnails ( no information, just the picture) and let the photographers make the call? Photos could be in thumbnail size for a specified time and added or removed based on the number of viewings, or whatever criteria is set.

As I read through all the posts, I got the feeling that many are concerned that their photos would not be objectively received. If no information is available to the judges, then I believe all photos submitted could be viewed without prejudice to a particular photographer or location.....etc.
 
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Sun Jul 01, 2001 11:30 pm

I'm not sure if making it a popularity contest among submitted photos is the best solution since if you look at the Best of 24-48 hours, 7 days... lists you will inevitably find lots of cockpit shots, contrail shots, cabin shots, and airport overview shots which are invariably very popular. I'm not panning these types of shots because I do like some of them but I don't think their popularity makes them inherently more worthy of being on Airliners.net than, for example, a standard shot of a Beech 1900 that might only attract a few hits. Since all photos are currently being evaluated based on their quality and their content and all photos that satisfy these criteria are accepted it would seem that going to a hit based system would be a step backwards. This would probably reduce the variety and we would be mainly seeing planes that are generally very popular like 747's, 777's, those in special colour schemes, and not much else.

Cheers,
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Mon Jul 02, 2001 2:14 am

With regard to the issue of objectivity on the part of those evaluating the photo, how about a procedure so that each time a photographer submits work, it is viewed by a different evaluator? Or, if this is not possible, at least the same person would not get to evaluate a photographer's work twice in a row; that way, if the photographer felt that there was prejudice against his/her work, it could be submitted again, and looked at by someone else.
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Blackened
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Mon Jul 02, 2001 2:47 am

I agree with Bodobodo. All photos should be judged the same no matter if they're attractive for many views or not. As long as the quality is Ok and all other criteria are fulfilled of course. We also need those "Beech 1900" shots in the db. That's why a.net is such a great resource cause you'll find almost any aircraft of the big airlines and many more.
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AndyEastMids
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Mon Jul 02, 2001 5:25 am

Coming to this a bit late but, sounds very good provided (in my opinion):

1. The judgemental policy of airliners.net does not substantially change. If a picture that would have been accepted by Johan was rejected under someone else, then that would be disappointing to say the least.
2. The new assessors must assess on the basis of airliners.net standards, not on their own standards.
3. The photographer is made aware of which assessor rejected a photo (in the rejection e-mail), and that if Johan has the final say, then there should be an appeals policy of some sort.

Good luck Johan with whatever you decide to do. Sadly I don't have the free time to do either what you do now, nor what you have proposed.

Andy
 
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RE: New Photo Processing Routines

Mon Jul 02, 2001 6:49 am

AndyEastMids:
You're right but your last suggestion would make it too complicated. If a photo gets rejected and Johan had to watch it to decide whether the assistant's decision was right or not it would be more complicated than it is now. I hope he'll get people that work fair and keep up the good standard of a.net without being too critical. Almost 5000 pics on the upload page is just too much. But what if people see this number declining. There would be tons of more uploads I guess.
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