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Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 1:23 am

Hi all

recently I decided to try 2 rolls of Fuji Sensia 100. The results can be seen for example at:
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/b738_aea_ec-gpi_2_sva.jpg
or
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/a332_ek_a6-eag_3_spa.jpg

I found the results better, than with Elitechrome 100. But that's of course difficult, as I would have to try the films at the same day and under the same conditions.

However, I think, I'll stick with Fuji. My question is only: are Fuji Provia better suited for aircraft photograpy than Sensia? Should I try it? Does anybody have any experiences with both films?

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 2:58 am

The Sensia 100 is Ok and I guess many people use it. Provia is better because it has a finer grain but it's more expensive. I don't think there is such a big difference between Sensia and Provia. The Sensia is also very good for aviation photography. If I were you I'd definitely try a roll of Provia just to see how it turns out. Try both film on the same day. I think the difference will be mostly about grain but not too big. You don't necessarily need the Provia to make good pics but I would say it's the best film around.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
(I was talking about the Sensia 100 BTW. The Sensia 200 is in my eyes too grainy for shots in good light - noticably worse than Provia. Take the 100 instead as long as the light isn't too bad)
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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 3:44 am

If you want examples of Provia, look up Charles Falk in the database. He uses 100 and some I tink are 400 speed too

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 4:39 am

Provia 400? I didn't even know, there are Provia 400. But the next time I go for spotting, I will possibly try both, the Sensia 100 and the Provia 100, which isn't very easy to find, BTW.

Aer Lingus: "Oh BTW, that Emirates A330 is a shoe-in"

I hope, it means, you like the pic  Smile/happy/getting dizzy As english isn't my mother language, I don't understand every expression...

Thanks for the comments so far.

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 5:47 am

Hi Gerardo,
At least i think there is a 400 speed provia  Smile

Oh and yes by "it being a shoe-in" I meant that its a 100% guarantee of an acceptance. Excellent shot !!!

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 7:02 am

I've never seen a Provia 400 and they don't have it on their website (?).
Here's some photographers' names with their films:
(hope you don't mind me doing this guys but you told that you're using these films here in the forum  Smile/happy/getting dizzy)
Sensia: Florian Kondziela, Pixair
Provia: Charles Falk, Chris Coduto

(as far as I can remember)

I don't know if any of their pics were taken with those films.

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...or Just Check Out This Interesting Post:

Mon Jul 02, 2001 7:14 am

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 9:48 am

Hi Gerardo,

I generally use Sensia II also. It's a good consumer grade slide film. The Provia is a bit more expensive but fantastic quality and yields beautiful scans.

Here is one of my favorite shots that I feel shows Provia at it's best  Smile

By the way, I love your Emirates shot too! Well done!


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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 11:59 am

I use a both Sensia II 100 and Provia 100F. I'll never claim that Sensia is as good as Provia but for most purposes it does a good job. It's my main film since it's quite a bit cheaper than Provia but it is definately grainier than Provia but most films are grainier than Provia. I find that Sensia II is a bit more forgiving of exposure errors than Provia. You can check out my photos on the site if you are interested under the name Felix Sieder.

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 12:31 pm

Whats with the story with Fujis ASTIA?

I learned that it too is a slide film just like Sensia ll and Provia series.
Can anyone tell me what good that film is and if it compares in quality/light to Provia or Sensia?

Are there some shots taken with ASTIA?

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 1:01 pm

Astia is a low-grain slide film, but lacks the contrast and saturation that Provia provides. I tried five-rolls of Astia once, and will never use it again.
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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 2:58 pm

Thanks for that link to the other interesting airliners.net topic. There are indeed good tips and I definitely will try the Provia 100 now.


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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 3:59 pm

All my pictures on Airliners.net are on Sensia II - have not tried Provia but maybe one day..... (after i win lottery)  Smile
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Mon Jul 02, 2001 6:39 pm

Could you please show me photos from Sensia and photos from Provia. I like many of your pics and I want to compare.
 
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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 6:45 pm

Hi,

I switched to Provia last year and really love it. It's got just the right amount of saturation (Velvia is a little bit too saturated, I think), gives you an extra stop or so over K64, and has no detectable grain.

My only problem is in scanning, where I am still changing my system now and again, but have no intention in changing my film.

Provia 400F does exist, (there is even a 1600F) and I've shot a few rolls of it. There is a bit more grain, I'd say the performance and grain is about on par with Sensia II 200, but with an extra stop of speed. I don't plan to use it any more since I picked up my 70-200mm f/2.8, which gives plenty of light for 100 speed film, even in poor weather. But if you have a slow lens and you can't seem to make it work with 100 speed, try it out.

This is Provia 100F:

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Under a loupe, everything is as clear as anything you can imagine - absolutely no grain. The colors are also exactly what was there in front of me that day. Any fuzziness is due to some bluriness in my scanner which I have to try to correct.

This is Provia 400F:

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As you can see, there is more grain.

Provia is essentially a Sensia where they pushed the grain and color performance a bit more than would be possible with a consumer grade film (i.e. one which does not need to be refrigerated to have a shelf life of a couple of years.)

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 7:59 pm

Charles

the first pic with the Volare A320 has a bit of a grain on the dark side of the engines. Is that also "due to some bluriness in your scanner", which you mention in your post?

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Mon Jul 02, 2001 8:30 pm

Yeah, I think it is 'noise' caused by the scanning. It usually appears in the dark parts of the scanning and is more obvious after sharpening.
 
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RE: Geraldo

Mon Jul 02, 2001 8:43 pm

Cfalk mentioned one interesting thing. Can you really store Sensia for years without a lack of quality? Any experiences, thoughts?
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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 8:51 pm

Well, not a problem for me, as I have a 2nd fridge in the cellar with some bottles of beer and always some films  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 8:58 pm

Gerardo,

Yeah, I got a little careless with compression and sharpening. I hope I've sorted that out - my current process is:

1) Scanning with Nikon software with a 1.1-1.2 gamma adjustment
2) Resize, crop and sharpen with Corel Photopaint
3) adjust saturation with Thumbsplus.

If at any point I get careless with jpeg conversion settings, I get those results - in addition, Johan compresses the files some more when they are added to the database.

Here's one where I got it right. Provia 100F again...

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 9:11 pm

I forgot to mention - I only "discovered" the gamma adjustment feature in the past few weeks. Duh! My Nikon scanner tends to scan dark, and now I use the Gamma setting on the scanner software to fix that. But if you don't do it right, you get that scatter in the dark areas, like you see on the dark underbelly of the Volare.

Hell, all this time and I'm still learning. I'll probably change procedures again in a few weeks.

Blackened,

Sensia is a consumer grade film, which is made to be kept on store shelves for a good long time, just like Kodak Gold or other common brands. Provia is "professional" film, which means that its shelf life if stored above 15 degrees celsius (about 60 F) is only 1 or 2 months - obviously not long enough for the usual consumer, who might keep a loaded camera for months, and for stores not equiped with a fridge for films.

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 9:18 pm

Ah, yes! The MD11 pic looks better.

Thanks for the input.

Charles, you said, that you had problems scanning the Provia slides. Doe you have problems only with Provia 400 or also with 100? And are those problems hardware related (i.e. scanner driving you crazy) or is something you can fix with software settigs, as shown on the MD11 pic?

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 9:25 pm

It's the scanner. It's driving me nuts. For one thing, I keep getting these vertical lines when the scanner hasn't warmed up yet - and it takes about an hour's worth of use before it's warmed up. Also, the pictures always seem a little out of focus, even at 2700 dpi and with the autofocus turned on - the slide itself is always much sharper.

By the time I've figured out a foolproof process, it'll be time for me to upgrade my scanner and start all over again!

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 10:04 pm

Boy, am I happy, that these problems are specifically related to your scanner  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Seriously: It would have been a mess, if I tried a new roll of Fuji Provia, only to find out, that these slides are hard to scan.

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 02, 2001 10:49 pm

They actually seem to be the easiest ones to scan. I've had more problems with Kodachrome and Elitechrome. Velvia also is tricky, but produces terific results if you figure it out.

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For Lewis

Wed Jul 04, 2001 3:12 am

Hi Lewis,

Sorry for the delay. I didn't notice your post until now. These are some examples of Provia:


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The majority of my shots are on Sensia but just so you can be sure these were on Sensia II


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I can see some difference on these scans but its much more noticeable when looking at the original slides or the high quality scans. Provia seems to have this silky smooth quality that to me seems most noticeable when looking at the skies and the solid coloured parts of the fuselage.

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 4:32 am

Great pics, Felix!

Could it be, that the colors on the provia pics are a tiny little bit "stronger" (more saturation?), than on the other pics? I had this feeling, looking at the pics. But perhaps this can only be seen on a direct comparison.

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 4:44 am

Hi Gerardo,

Thanks. It's possible that Provia's colours are a little more saturated (not at Velvia levels, though) but the problem is that I only shoot one or the other at a given time so it's hard to make a perfect comparison since the Provia and Sensia shots were taken under varying conditions. I definately prefer what I get from Provia and if it cost the same as Sensia I would be using Provia 100F all the time. Unfortunately Provia is about 50% more expensive around here.

It's too bad there's no practical way to alternate back and forth between the two for different photos (Provia for the really special ones) without having two camera bodies. For some reason it seems like whenever I put Provia in my camera nothing really interesting shows up until I have finished the roll and switched back to Sensia. That's when the really interesting stuff seems to arrive at the airport. Go figure. It's sort of like how switching to another lane of the highway in heavy traffic makes the lane that you just left go faster  Smile

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Thanks Charles

Wed Jul 04, 2001 5:58 am

I hope you're right about Sensia. I never dare to have one in the camera because it's not cool enough there. But I had some in the camera for months a long time ago and I didn't notice any lack of quality.
I'm afraid you're scanner doesn't work properly. You can hardly get a better than Nikon, can you? I don't know exactly which one you have but I would expect it to work.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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Wed Jul 04, 2001 8:26 am

Thanks! Great pics. What scanner do you use?
 
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Lewis

Wed Jul 04, 2001 8:44 am

Thanks. I'm using a Minolta Scan Dual II slide/negative scanner. Keep in mind, however, that the quality is somewhat degraded from what I first uploaded because the upload process introduces some compression.

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RE: Lewis

Wed Jul 04, 2001 8:53 am

The thing is that I will be shooting slides (Provia) and I want a cheap scanner that can produce high quality scans. I was thinking about the Minolta Scan Dual II but I read some bad reviews and I thought about HP S20. But from your pics (they look so natural and sharp even after the compression) I see that the Minolta isn't bad at all. Too bad I can't afford a Nikon 4000!!!

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 9:50 am

I have a roll of Sensia II I haven't used yet. I've heard it sucks basicly. 'Computer like' results I've heard. I guess I'll have to try it out for myself...
 
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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 2:24 pm

"and I want a cheap scanner that can produce high quality scans."

That's what we all want!

I use a Coolscan III, and hope to buy a Coolscan 4000 soon, with the 50-slide autoloader. Scan while I sleep

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 3:01 pm

I have a Minolta Dual Scan II since a 2 months and I must say, I simply LOVE it, specially together with the scan software Vuescan.

As for the 50-slide autoloader....yeah! this would make it even better. But as my PC normally crashes after 3 or 4 scans, I wouldn't get that much of a sleep. So, I better stick with my 4 slide autoloader ....  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 1:14 am

I used my first roll of Fuji Sensia II 100 film on June 15 at DCA. It's been over 5 business days and Ritz still says that my slides are not ready. The shipment of the slides hasn't arrived yet but I am planning on calling them and check if my slides are ready. Usually my slides take around 2-3 business days and not 5 days. I have a roll of Fuji Provia 100F in my frig. and wil be shooting with it soon. I'm looking forward to pick up my slides and scan it with my new Minolta Dimage Scan Dual II slide scanner which I bought last month and haven't used it yet. (No slides to scan)

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 4:31 am

Kevin, you're apparently in a similar situation than I. About two months ago, I bought also a new Minolta Dual Scan II and now I am looking for a good film.

As already said, the Fuji Sensia brought me very good results, which can be seen at URL's posted in the original message:
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/b738_aea_ec-gpi_2_sva.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/a332_ek_a6-eag_3_spa.jpg

Also Fuji Superia, the print film, brought me good scans, but not as good as slides. Now I'm definitely going to give Provia a try, despite the higher price, and the place in the fridge.

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Thu Jul 05, 2001 5:04 am

Wow all nice pics!

I have tons of KR64 here, but once i have shot them all i was thinking of trying some Fuji Sensia, is it a good/bad idea?

Also, my scanner, will i have any problems? It is an Epson perfection 1200 photo. Is this okay for scanning slides? I have had no problem with anything in the past.

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 7:00 am

Gerardo,

Nice pictures. Finally I can get some blue sky, hehe. I hope my computer doesn't lock up while scanning slides.
As for provia films, no photo stores around here carry Provias so I buy them online for 1/2 price then stores which are over $10. If you buy them online it's $5 per roll.

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Fri Jul 06, 2001 1:25 am

Kevin, it was indeed the once thing which amazed me looking at my first bunch of Sensia-slides: the blue sky actually turned out blue on the slides. Finally! This had also to do with light conditions (the pics were taken at about 16.00) but surely also with the film.

BTW: a good tip to buy those films online  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Boy!! Several hours on internet, but never looking for a possibilty to order films  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 09, 2001 8:12 pm

Talking about a deep blue sky, that's what I meant:


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THAT's blue, and I don't seem to get it with negative films. This pic was taken with Fuji Sensia 100. Pictures like this are the main reason, why I definitely decided to keep on trying with slides.

But I wonder, how much more Fuji Provia will bring me. Time will tell, I guess.

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Mon Jul 09, 2001 9:03 pm

Gerardo,

I think you'll find that Provia is a tiny bit more neutral. The biggest difference is in the grain. There is none.

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RE: Where Would You Rate Fuji Sensia?

Tue Jul 10, 2001 5:25 am

Charles

Besides the color, the most important for me (perhaps also for others) is indeed the grain. As I don't have much experience yet with slides: how much does underexposure affect grain on slides, specially on Provia?

And, BTW, it's indeed not very easy to find Fuji Provia here. Perhaps I'll try directly on Fuji's Swiss website.

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