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Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Fri Jul 13, 2001 4:27 pm

Hi all

New thread as per Chris' comment on the original thread.

Regards
Gary Watt
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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Fri Jul 13, 2001 5:01 pm

How ironic! I was going to start a new thread as the old one was getting so large but I decided against it and now its been done for me.

Anyway, continuing what Cfalk said, cheers I will do that and see the responce

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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Mon Jul 16, 2001 5:25 pm

Hi!
I've got some questions again regarding the pre screening. Note: The images shown in this message are highly compressed and not identical in size and resolution to the ones i uploaded, but they are identical in terms of the object.
1.) What are the exact rules for showing people at pictures? Reason is, I tried to upload this:

and got the rejection with reason ".. showing people..... but there are a few exceptions". My questions:
a.) shouldnt the pre screeners concentrate on pictures which are too small and or too grainy and or for some other reason of bad quality and leave the rest for Johans decision??
b.) Why was this rejected and this

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Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Peter Unmuth


not? Its also showing a pilot????? A stetement which clarifies this would be highly appreciated.
and
2.) Which size has the plane to have to get the photo accepted. I saw many contrail shots in the past where you could hardly identify the plane and the pics where accepted. So I thought I would add this

where the plane is clearly visible and you can even identify it without using a loupe and it was rejected by the prescreeners to with reason ".... try to get closer ...". Again I'm asking the same as above under point a.) and would highly appreciate a comment regarding the size of planes in the picture (e.g. contrails).
Thanks in advance
Peter
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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Mon Jul 16, 2001 5:30 pm

Nice shots

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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Mon Jul 16, 2001 6:02 pm

Oh no! There's another rejection or 10 that I am about to get  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Mon Jul 16, 2001 6:27 pm

Peter,

Did that SAA 744 survive the dive that its in?  Wink/being sarcastic

Thats the only possible reason for rejection that I could think of, is the angle of the aircraft in the picture.

I had a similar size rejection and my aircraft was much closer to the ground!

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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Mon Jul 16, 2001 6:43 pm

Hi!
I agree with the angle of the aircraft for the SAA 743. OK! But a admins statement on the rules regarding people would be fine
THX
Peter
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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Mon Jul 16, 2001 9:05 pm

I've had similar rejections in the past, but they never seem to be consistent. For example, this is my most viewed pic in the database:


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However, this was rejected on the grounds of people, when the captain in question could not possibly be identified, as all you can see is the back of his arm, and a bit of his neck:



Now, as I understand it, the guidelines (as photographers in general) we are supposed to follow for photographs featuring people are to do with those people being identifiable from the photograph. So, for example, this shot of mine:


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Photo © Chris Sheldon



features the captain of an aircraft clearly. However, he is so far away from the camera that he can't really be identified by his face. On the other hand, if I was really close in on the nose (say, cropping just to the right of the cockpit window), he would probably be clearly identifiable, being much larger in the frame, and that would probably either be rejected, or a borderline rejection.

I think that photos featuring people are often rejected by Airliners.net when really they need not be. However, privacy laws regarding photography of people do vary from country to country, and it's up to Johan to decide what he sees as acceptable to add to the database, and what not to add.

Now, I have another cockpit shot like the one above (2nd one) that was also not added, which shows the captain facing the camera. Before I took any photos I told him they would be published on the internet, and he was quite happy with that. However, without a signed statement from him there's no way to prove it. Obviously Johan would wish to avoid any situation in which he gets irate emails from people saying "that photo is of me, and I demand that you remove it", so I think he always has to err on the side of caution. I just wish it was a little bit more consistent, because there are lots of borderline cases that are accepted, and also lots that are rejected, and not just by the screeners, but by Johan himself. It would be better if we all knew exactly where we stood on these types of shot.
 
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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Mon Jul 16, 2001 10:14 pm

Da fwog:
Exactly my thoughts. I'm not whining about photos being rejected I just would like to have clear guidelines.
Peter
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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Tue Jul 17, 2001 12:42 am

Alot of dupes being added in the past few days, no fault of the prescreeners though?

Especially since some were the travel list.

Cheers

Dan
 
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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Tue Jul 17, 2001 5:26 am

Ive been waiting for 5 days now and have not got an email from the screeners,,
have and of you guys experienced this yet?
long waits.. Im starting to think that not much has changed.. since the screening took place.

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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Tue Jul 17, 2001 6:16 am

Hey Bo,
You only get a mail from the pre screeners if they reject one of your pictures......don't you ?
I'd say yuo're past stage one at least. Thats good news  Smile

Cheers,
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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Tue Jul 17, 2001 3:12 pm

I got one that mentioned one was rejected, and mentioned the number past them. Slip of the tongue maybe?
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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Wed Jul 18, 2001 12:37 am


Got one a couple of weeks ago stating that 1 photo was rejected and that:
"You have 14 photo(s) that have not yet been though any screening process. We will have a look at them as soon as possible."
I'm still waiting to find out about the others.

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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Wed Jul 18, 2001 12:41 am

Sonic99:
You'll find out about the others as soon as "J" has viewed and added or rejected them.
Peter
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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Wed Jul 18, 2001 1:23 am

Peter,
Thanks for your reply. So that means they "passed" first screening? Just out of curiosity, are all newly-submitted pictures viewed by screeners?

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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Wed Jul 18, 2001 1:24 am

Yes I think so
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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Wed Jul 18, 2001 2:44 am

first screening is usually within hours, fastest response I had was something like 5 minutes last week. Guess someone was desperate for some work as I got some good advice for improvements. Thanks for that.
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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Wed Jul 18, 2001 5:44 am

FYI

I uploaded on Sunday (3 days ago) and I haven't got a "screener" email yet. I highly doubt that all my pictures passed the pre screening so I'd suggest that perhaps they don't always screen immediately?

Mind you, it would be nice if they all passed :-p .. but I doubt it.



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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Wed Jul 18, 2001 12:38 pm

Just as a matter of interest, if you expected they would be rejected, why did you upload them?

...and if you haven't heard back, then they have not been rejected by the screeners, and you will get an email when they are accepted (or presumably, you are expecting - rejected) by Johan.

Having said all that, occasionally pics do go astray (I have had a couple of cases recently where I submitted photos, and one out of a batch went missing). Go to "add photos" then "check my photo stats" to have a look to see if they are waiting on the upload page. Then you'll know for sure if they've been pre-screened and are waiting for Johan to look at.
 
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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Wed Jul 18, 2001 2:47 pm

I doubt that you will know if they are prescreened when they are waiting. The only way to knwo for sure that they have been prescreened is when you get a rejection message.
Peter
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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Wed Jul 18, 2001 6:21 pm

da fwog asks ... just as a matter of interest, if you expected they would be rejected, why did you upload them?

Simple really .... we all live in hope  Smile/happy/getting dizzy




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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Wed Jul 18, 2001 9:46 pm

and with the prescreeners giving personal comments, you may actually get tips on what to do to get something accepted if you are stuck on something that is just below the tresshold...
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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Fri Jul 20, 2001 5:29 pm

OK: Sorry, but I could not read all of the first thread, so if my questions have already been asked & answered, just point me to the right post.

1) I have uploaded 4 pics, using a different e-mail address and photographer name from usual. I got a screener e-mail telling me 2 have been rejected, and 2 passed. I tried using the photostats page to see whether they're still in the queue, and it does not work at all for the e-mail address I've used. Does the photostats page only work if you've already got photos in the database?

2) The photostats page is still the same format (using my older e-mail-address), so what exactly does the queue length describe? Prescreening queue, postscreening queue (i.e. Johan's work) or total queue?

3) If I cannot access the photostats page with the new e-mail-address I've used, does that mean the two photos have been rejected without anyone telling me?

4) I read parts of the first thread, so there is a specific question I want to ask Gary: What is the deadline by which your dog will be devoured if the waiting time still exceeds 1 day? Could you shoot a before-after photo of the dog and you to entertain us? Big grin

Regards

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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Fri Jul 20, 2001 5:37 pm

Ikarus,

If you have no images in the database you cannot get any stats.



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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Fri Jul 20, 2001 5:44 pm

Ikarus,

The photostats page only works if you have already photos in the database, added with a specific email address.

I think the page describes the 'prescreening queue'. Sometimes the number of pics in the queue is reduced, while no pics are added to the database. So i think it's reduced due to the prescreening.

And yes, i would advice Gary to become a vegetarian...

Regards

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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Fri Jul 20, 2001 6:11 pm

Thanks for the replies, ADG and EBOS. A bit disappointing to wait without having any idea how long the wait is going to be...

Regards

Ikarus
 
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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Fri Jul 20, 2001 6:18 pm

Ikarus, you know the only way to end the dissapointment is to get some pics on airliners.net then you can use the photo stats!

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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Fri Jul 27, 2001 5:04 am

Yet another annoying collection of questions:

During the past week I've uploaded 20 shots or so, most of which got rejected in the first round. But, to my great delight, there usually were 1 or 2 photos with each round that made it to round 2. Now I got another prescreening rejection message for some photos I uploaded today, and it mentioned that only 1 (?!?) photo was currently waiting in round 2. Does that mean all the others got rejected, and Johan no longer sends out rejection messages of his own? This would be most disappointing!

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Ikarus
 
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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Sat Jul 28, 2001 7:12 pm

The message usually tells only how many photos are still in the list for pre-screening.
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RE: Prescreening Rejection Messages Pt.2

Sat Jul 28, 2001 10:30 pm

Actually, in Ikarus' case, the message tells how many pix have actually passed the pre-screeners and are waiting for Johan.

The "total # of photos that have NOT been through ANY screening process and will be gotten to as soon as possible" or words to that effect are actually of images that have passed the pre-screeners. (Actually if we make a very technical distinction between PREscreen process and plain old Screening process..the message is actually correct - although the word "ANY" is problematic.)

This confusion will only come up if you upload a set of pix - which gets prescreened of which at least one is accepted -- AND THEN upload yet another set that also gets pre-screened with at least one rejection - PRIOR to the first set being seen by Johan.

(In other words the picture accepted from the first batch is mentioned as "not being through any screening process" in the rejection message of a picture in the second batch).

Hope this helps.
Tom

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