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3/4 Views Of A/c

Tue Jul 31, 2001 10:23 pm

Am I missing something ? What is wrong with photo's taken from the angle below. I have had a number rejected that were taken from this angle. Why ???????

This is the latest rejection :-



(I have reduced the size to speed up display)

The reject reason was ;-

- G-VBEE.jpg (Virgin Atlantic Boeing 747-219B)

The photos were either of low esthetic qualities (bad angle,
included window reflections, pictured just a part of an aircraft,
out of focus or similar), pictured an aircraft far in the distance
or did not picture an aircraft at. Finally, you might read this
because your camera displays the date in the lower right corner of
the image. If so, please disable that feature in the future.
 
Sukhoi
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Tue Jul 31, 2001 11:03 pm

Was that from Johan or from one of the Pre screeners?

I cant see anything wrong with it maybe its not photogenic enough for Johans taste??

Regards

Paul (Jealous for not having ramp access at LGW)
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Tue Jul 31, 2001 11:05 pm

Hi

A lot of people don't like this kind of 3/4 rear views.

Your shot looks nice enough to me though  Smile

Regards
Gary Watt
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Tue Jul 31, 2001 11:22 pm

Hi,

I'm never one to turn down a ramp tour, but my experience is that you sometimes end up shooting views like this, because of position, other aircraft, etc. OK, so I assume you work on the ramp at LGW, but the issue is the same.

What Gary says is very true - in my experience a lot of people do not, for some reason, like rear 3/4 views, whilst 3/4 front views tend to be far more readily accepted. I know of one person, for example, who is not interested in any picture that does not show the flight deck windows "properly" (whatever that might mean). As to why it was rejected, each to their own, I guess.

Andy
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Tue Jul 31, 2001 11:33 pm

prescfreener's message. got the same once for a picture where the first 5 centimeters of the nose (in real life, must have been a pixel or 2 in the scan) were missing.
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Guest

RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Tue Jul 31, 2001 11:55 pm

VC-10,

Aesthetically, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with this picture. However, there seems to be a little too much sharpening which even shows up in the smaller version (Look at the registration). Oversharpening leads to grain. I can't say any more without seeing the original.

The options for the screeners are in the form of about 20 check boxes, which are quite close together. The check box right next to the one which gives the rejection reason you recieved (only a couple millimeters away, actually) is the one for excessive grain. So it might be a "slip of the mouse".

But post the original file, so that we can make sure.

S2
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Wed Aug 01, 2001 1:41 am

 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Wed Aug 01, 2001 1:52 am

The quality looks ok. If I had pre-screened this I would have passed it through, although I have seen a number of these types of shot rejected in the past. It's not a view angle that I particularly favor, but as the scan quality and the colors are good, I would have left the decision on this to Johan. Maybe if the screener who rejected it is reading, he could comment - it's not fair for me to say any more without knowing his reasons.

S4
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Wed Aug 01, 2001 2:26 am

It looks a bit grainy on my screen, though not excessively so. The red on the tail of the Virgin bird also seems a bit strange.
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Wed Aug 01, 2001 2:36 am

Looks good to me as well. I definitely would have passed this one on to Johan as well.

S6
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Wed Aug 01, 2001 10:45 am

I wouldn't mind a few "good" rear 3/4 view of an aircraft at the gate included into the mix occasionally.

Tom
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Wed Aug 01, 2001 11:06 am

To each his/her own, but well-done 3/4 rear takeoff and landing shots can be a nice change from the front views.
George
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Wed Aug 01, 2001 11:58 am

Send it in again, maybe youll get one of these screeners.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Wed Aug 01, 2001 2:14 pm

Looks good to me...

S2
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Wed Aug 01, 2001 3:47 pm

Interesting we have some Screeners who say okay and one who has said no..........I thought you guys were just sorting out the rubbish?

Taking cover Wink/being sarcastic

Paul
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Wed Aug 01, 2001 6:52 pm

Just what I was thinking Paul...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Actually, VC-10 has not confirmed whether this picture was rejected by a screener or by Johan, although with the screeners mission being supposedly to weed out the grossly unacceptable, I'd have thought this pic would have made it to Johan.

Andy  Nuts
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Wed Aug 01, 2001 8:02 pm

From some of the messages I got about 2 weeks ago from the screeners, they seem to be into small details like "decrease brightness by 5% and then sharpen the reg-number just a little bit" (these were actually two messages).
That is fine to me if that will get a shot accepted (it wasn't., Johan thought it a tad too dark...).
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Wed Aug 01, 2001 8:15 pm

VC-10 hasn't said who rejected it, because he doesn't know !
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Wed Aug 01, 2001 8:19 pm

It's mentioned in the Topic of the mail you have got. If the topic is something like ".... screening ...." the it was rejected by the screeners. if the topic is "... upload confirmation ..." or something like this it was rejected by Johan. Also I think that the sender E-Mail Adress of the Screeners is screener@airliners.net and from Johan (obviously) admin@airliners.net.
Peter
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Wed Aug 01, 2001 9:12 pm

In that case it was Johan.
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Wed Aug 01, 2001 10:24 pm

OK then VC-10, if it was Johan who rejected the photo then I'm afraid you've been subject to the editorial policy of airliners.net. I have no real axe to grind about editorial policy, as whilst I might not alway agree with it, that policy has made airlines.net what it is today, and we should all be greatful for that.

Andy
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Thu Aug 02, 2001 12:00 am

I don't have a problem with that. My original question was whether there was anything fundamentally wrong with a shot taken from that angle.

It is interesting to note however that about a year ago I submitted this photo

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Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Paul Robinson


and it was rejected for the same reason as above. I resubmitted it a few weeks later and it was accepted !
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Thu Aug 02, 2001 1:24 am

Great topic.
If you're not  Confused too, you should be.

Gerry/EDI
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Thu Aug 02, 2001 1:52 am

>>I resubmitted it a few weeks later and it was accepted !<<

You caught Johan in a good mood then  Wink/being sarcastic

Same thing has happend to me, I guess its kind of like the define people in your picture argument, some get in some dont.

Regards

Paul
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Thu Aug 02, 2001 8:38 am

I prefer to shoot moving aircraft (preferably flying rather than taxiing). I see the 3/4 front shots as "here it comes, here it comes..." and the 3/4 rear shots as "here it comes... click... Sh!+ too late".
For this reason, I do not usually submit side-on shots where the aircraft has gone slightly past the 'critical point' where the wheels are dead in line.
Again, just my personal preferences.
Craig.
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Thu Aug 02, 2001 2:45 pm

LOL Craig! I can just picture you with cartoon bubbles over your head...

Consider a plane like a person. When taking a picture of a person, you generally want to see his face - even though a variety of angles are still possible. You don't want to take a portrait showing his back, generally.

But then again, there will always be exceptions. Consider this one as "looking up her skirt"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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Photo © Charles Falk



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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Thu Aug 02, 2001 4:49 pm

Haaaahahaha!

Skirt. Nice one!
 Big thumbs up
I can see for sure what you mean..
Too bad the underwear, (APU) is not the kind of type that most women would like to wear,. Too hot, too sweaty, and possible severe burns to the crotch area as well as mutation to the legs..

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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Thu Aug 02, 2001 5:09 pm

Cfalk

'Consider a plane like a person' - I think you need to get out more  Smile Smile Smile
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Thu Aug 02, 2001 6:00 pm

Maybe you're right. I just re-read my post. It does sound weird.

Well, as long as I don't start getting a stiffie when I see an APU exhaust outlet, I think I'm OK  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Charles
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Thu Aug 02, 2001 6:04 pm

LOL!!
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Fri Aug 03, 2001 5:27 am

hmm the word 'aviation-porno' just popped up in my mind after reading Cfalks message..
do You reckon you need adult check for that aswell?
 Wink/being sarcastic

 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Fri Aug 03, 2001 2:51 pm

What about this one? Do you guys think the shot is interesting enough to get accepted?

 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Fri Aug 03, 2001 3:15 pm

While the angle may not be the most attractive, the near perfect picture quality makes it a easily accepted picture for me.

S2
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Fri Aug 03, 2001 4:57 pm

Yes that will get accepted. I had an e-mail from Johan about my photo. He said that when taken from that angle only photo's of exceptional quality & rare subjects will be accepted
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Fri Aug 03, 2001 7:08 pm

Craigy,

Rear shots are "darn I missed it" things are they?

Don't usually do self-publicity here, but I like this sort of rear shot...

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Photo © Andy Martin


...and indeed I positively wanted to get that sort of pic when I shot it. Either that or my shutter finger must have been VERY slow that day!

Each to their own I guess!  Big grin

Andy

CYKA - nice pic (haven't we seen it on this forum before?), but I think you should've been with that guy standing by the Cessna!!!
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Fri Aug 03, 2001 7:47 pm

Andy, I must admit trijets are an exception to the 3/4 rear angle, as they just look sensational on that particular angle. It really does each and every trijet justice. Big grin
 
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Andy

Fri Aug 03, 2001 8:04 pm

Yeah you have, except this one was scanned by Chris Sheldon as can be see by the absence of jagged edges. The lighting was better where the guy was standing, but im glad I was at the airport at all. It was quite a sight since Im always use to seeing those cursed dash-8's. Im still mad at my self for not running over to the other side of the airport to get a profile shot on takeoff but I was afraid my 50mm wouldnt have the range and so on.(i have a zoom now). This one was taken on my second last frame of film. Learned a valueble lesson though....always bring an extra roll!
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Fri Aug 03, 2001 8:29 pm

CYKA,

You "learned a valuable lesson"

Hey, we might make an airplane photographer out of you yet!!! Big grin

Andy
 
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RE: 3/4 Views Of A/c

Sat Aug 04, 2001 3:00 pm

strang,I just had a similar shot of a usaf 757 80002 same angle pointing same way rejected  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Howver, I did just clip an inch or 2 off the tail but as it is a rare aircraft on airliners, I thought it would have had a chance  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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