ake0404ar
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Where Did The Creativity Go?

Wed Aug 08, 2001 10:39 pm

I know this topic has been discussed before but I just had to bring it up again as I was looking at some recent uploads from Boston.

Don't want to post some pics here as it is against the rules.....Everyone who is interested take a look.

Same vantage point, same background, just a different plane and that 100 times.......how boring can this be...

I know we have the 50mm side on shot fans, the ones who want to have every a/c reg no in the database but a little bit of creativity would not hurt, right?

What do you guys think?

Vasco Garcia
 
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RE: Where Did The Creativity Go?

Wed Aug 08, 2001 11:01 pm

Hmmm.
One reason might be that its hard to get different views accepted even if the qualoty is ok.
See
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/21413/
They are sure not that creative as yours but some different things compared to the side on shots you mentioned.
Peter
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RE: Where Did The Creativity Go?

Wed Aug 08, 2001 11:01 pm

Well well, I guess both sides are right again here.

For myself, I'm absolutely for variety, and I take both the standard photos and the more creative shots.

See the remark to this photo:

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Also, for my BCN IL86 parade, I chose a bit more action, I just keep the side shots for my collection.

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RE: Where Did The Creativity Go?

Wed Aug 08, 2001 11:10 pm

Vasco,

Yes, creativity is great but for me if I had to choose from a creative shot of hot new plane or the boring old ramp shot, you know what will win. When shooting, it's sometimes very difficult to be creative without missing chances of getting the perfect side-on shots. For me, I'd rather shooting the boring side-ons all day with a few creative shots here-and-there rather than the oppisite. I know, some of you think that is just crazy but I just can't help it. But, sometimes the mission of getting the perfect (or close to it) side-on shots require you to be creative -- just ask our good friend Felix up in YUL  Smile

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RE: Where Did The Creativity Go?

Thu Aug 09, 2001 12:00 am

Hi Vasco!

Well.. I am also a creativity fan. Always trying to get something differt not only making sideon shots.

Your photos on a.net are fascinating!!!

Here are two of my recent trys of creativity shots. Do you like these?


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Have a good time back in Germany!

Best Regards from Austria

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RE: Where Did The Creativity Go?

Thu Aug 09, 2001 12:44 am

I have to agree with Michael There was a lot of creativity (and some fast driving  Smile ) involved in first finding out where the plane would be heading, picking out an appropriate location, and choosing exactly where to position oneself for the best shot. The visiting NYC photographers that I showed around YUL a little over a week ago gave me a new appreciation for what goes into a "boring" (not my opinion) side on shot. While the very final act of pressing the button to take the picture is quite straightforward everything leading up to getting the shot set up perfectly isn't and it requires planning and quick action. While I don't have the type of access that would let me get a perfect close up 50mm ramp shot my first priority when seeing an aircraft for the first time is to get a good, clean side-on shot, if possible. Once I have that then I will experiment and try to be more creative.

Considering the number of photographs and photographers on Airliners.net I think that there's more than enough room for all kinds of photographs whether they are side-on 50mm ramp shots, cockpit shots, approach shots, rotation shots, shots with motorboats, shots with contrails, shots with different celestial bodies, shots with wildlife... Aviation photography has a lot of styles and means different things to different people. Don't take this the wrong way, Vasco, as I do enjoy your photographs but somebody with completely different tastes than yours could look at your photographs and complain that in a lot of them you don't see the whole aircraft, the registration, or much of the plane at all. In some the plane is barely recognizable. Considering that this is a site devoted to photographs of airliners whose complaint would be more valid? Again I'm not criticizing your photos personally as I do like them but I'm just trying to turn the tables a little. If the standard shots are getting accepted to the complete exclusion of yours then I can see some reason for complaining (preferably directly to Johan and not directly naming the person or giving hints about who it is in this forum as has been very common lately). However, if in a particular case Johan's editorial policy is not having a negative effect on yourself or anyone else then why should we care? If Johan feels that both types of shots are acceptable and ads them to the database then that only makes the database more complete. Shouldn't we really be using this forum to discuss equipment, film, scanning, spotting locations, special planes visiting an airport, and the like instead of always feeling the need to criticize others? Now that the upload queue has been reduced to virtually nothing I suppose we need something else to complain about.

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RE: Where Did The Creativity Go?

Thu Aug 09, 2001 1:49 am

I think the creativity is still there, but "creative" uploads have not increased at the same rate as the "standard" type shot, so they become more dilluted - I think the number of standard approach shots in particular has risen at a proportionately higher rate. I'm sure part of this is people being worried about rejection. It would be a shame if people were stifling their creative urges because of this ...

I realised I was falling into this trap on my last visit to LHR. Sitting in the famous Myrtle Rd Park at the end of 27L, I'd shot off about a roll or so and realised I was bored - great location, but not very challenging. So I went off to the Queen's Bldg to try some smoking tire shots and steep departures - for certain not as many
pics of uploadable quality as I could have had - but a lot more fun!

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Where Did The Creativity Go?

Thu Aug 09, 2001 2:33 am

I'm with Colin. I have loads and load of side-on shots, and I LIKE them. But I don't get a lot of pleasure from spending a day sitting there grabbing side-on shots of everything going by... for me, as I gain more experience, I look for new challenges, so I expect more of my ouput to be so called "Creative" shots. The challenge with good side-on portraits is finding a good uncluttered spot, and then being there when the interesting stuff passes in front of it!

As plenty of people have said many times before, the side on ramp shot or approach shot is the meat and potatoes to serious aviation fans. But rest assured, there are plenty of us out there still taking "creative shots", although I think you will always find they are well outnumbered by side-on "portrait" views. Here's a very small sample of the variety of my own output from the last month...


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...or maybe I'm going mad! Perhaps my Airliners.net cap is too tight...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Where Did The Creativity Go?

Thu Aug 09, 2001 2:34 am

Diversity is a nice feature to the database but nothing beats a good old side-on shot to see what wonderful machines marvel our skies. They may be technically "boring" but this site wouldn't be complete without them.
I'm a huge fan of diversity and I love both types of shots

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Me, I love to experiment with different lighting

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but whats aviation photography without catching an aircraft in its prime moment.........AT ROTATION !!!


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Now to Colin RE: LHR:
LHR is great for different airlines and types all within minutes, sometimes seconds, of each other but as the endless trail of BA 757's come whizzing by it was time to catch some action
........Smokin' !!

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RE: Where Did The Creativity Go?

Thu Aug 09, 2001 6:45 am

Thanks Chris (show-off!) and Martin - exactly what I'm talkin' about ... I think I'm becoming more interested in catching something of the magic and awe of flight than records of particular aircraft - not that I intend to give up building the collection, but I think I'll be spending more time chasing that special angle and lighting than standing by the fence.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Where Did The Creativity Go?

Thu Aug 09, 2001 8:02 am

Sorry! Even though i'm trying to be creative I still got a lot more of this type of thing in my collection:


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I think it's bound to be that way for most of us - because if I get word there's something special coming in, I don't want a dramatic shot of it banging down on the runway with loads of tyre smoke, taken from an angle well down the runway with a long lens. I want a clear crisp shot from not too far away either of the aircraft on short finals, or taxying past me. When I have that "perfect" shot in the bank, THEN I'll go looking for all the dramatic stuff...
 
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RE: Where Did The Creativity Go?

Thu Aug 09, 2001 4:49 pm

Ok, as I said in my original post....maybe it did not come across.....I don't have anything against 50mm side on shot and I am sure many many photographers enjoy looking at these shots......what I was referring to is the same vantage point and 100 different a/c. Boston has so many great locations besides the parking garage on top of terminal B......it was just an observation and no offense towards any other shooter.

I am sure that some of the viewers don't like my work b/c the reg is not visible or for some other reason.....

That is totally cool with me as you cannot please everyone's taste......and taste is certainly very subjective anyway......


Airliners.net is for everyone......side on shot, nose close up, rotation shot, line ups or even sun and moon stuff....


So I guess everyone has their own style and we'll continue that way.

Vasco
 
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RE: Where Did The Creativity Go?

Thu Aug 09, 2001 5:45 pm

Chris, know what you mean - if its something you've not seen before you need to be in 3 different locations to get the shots you want. Fortunately it appears that with modern science this will soon be possible - imagine having clones of yourself stationed at all possible vantage points!

Cheers,

Colin
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