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Geneva Or Basel

Mon Aug 13, 2001 12:00 am

Hi!
Which of those is better in terms of photography opportunities and different airlines? I will be going there during the week (Tuesday or Wednesday).
Any advice would be appreciated.
THX
Peter
P.S.: I have read somewhere that the Sterling B738 flying for Tunis Air is sheduled to Geneva every Wednesday. Is that correct?
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RE: Geneva Or Basel

Mon Aug 13, 2001 1:09 am

Good to see someone even considers taking pictures at Basel.  Wink/being sarcastic If you need detailed info about what to expect there just drop me a line here and I'll mail you in German (I think you speak German, don't you?) .
In general I would say BSL has great photo opportunities but it's mainly Crossair flights. There are some regular cargo jets like MAS 747 or Korean 747. I can give you their schedules if you want. Gemini Air Cargo can also be seen there quite often and if you're lucky there might some non-regular cargo flights like with an An-124 which is not too uncommon at BSL because there's a lot of cargo going on there. Jet Aviation is also there so you might see some great Biz-jets.
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RE: Geneva Or Basel

Mon Aug 13, 2001 4:08 am

Hello Blackened,

speaking of photography opportunities at BSL, when will they cut the corn fields which are situated between the runway and the observation area near the 16 touchdown zone???
Do you always get a GTI 747 on the Saturday afternoon MAS cargo flight or was that an exception yesterday?
And what is going on with the SVA 74L at Jet Aviation??? Titles have been partially removed. Heavy maintenance ahead???

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RE: Geneva Or Basel

Mon Aug 13, 2001 4:45 am

CrewChief32:
Yeah, the corn has really become a problem. You can't see the wheels of the aircraft from the spotter point. But if you bring a ladder it's allright but that might be a problem for Peter.
So you were there yesterday? I've never seen anything else than a real MAS Kargo 742 but I heard they're sometimes using other companies. Maybe Cargolux or Atlas but I've never seen them. I don't have an idea about the 747 at Jet Aviation. Didn't even know it was there. Can you tell me more?
-Just saw the Gemini DC-10 roaring over my house heading for Abu Dhabi. It was very low although I live 30km away!-
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RE: Geneva Or Basel

Tue Aug 14, 2001 5:24 am

Peter:
Are you going to BSL or GVA now?
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RE: Geneva Or Basel

Tue Aug 14, 2001 3:03 pm

Dont know yet. Im still thinking about. I think in terms of traffice GVA would be better but I have to drive 3 hours each way from ZRH. BSL is much closer.
hmmmm we will see
Peter
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RE: Geneva Or Basel

Tue Aug 14, 2001 8:22 pm

You can easily check the schedule for tomorrow at BSL on their official website. The SR cargo flights from/to far destinations will be Gemini Air Cargo with DC-10s.
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RE: Geneva Or Basel

Tue Aug 21, 2001 11:20 pm

Hi!
Some questions about GVA.
1.) Is it better to go there by car or by train? What I mean is are there any possibilities to park my car close to the spots or is it better to go by feet and leave the car at the terminal
2.) Are there spots which are good to use WITHOUT a ladder?
3.) What about police/security and spotters? Do they accept spotters / fotographers if they behave in a normal manner or are there any problems to expect with them?
Any feedback would be highly appreciated
Thanks in advance
Peter
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RE: Geneva Or Basel

Tue Aug 21, 2001 11:27 pm

HI there,

GVA and BSL are good for spotting; GVA has more traffic, but in Basle you never know what happens...

Tunisair B738 from Sterling visits GVA on Wed evening
and on Saturday morning.

At Basle you get nearly every afternoon both Yk42 from Air Commerce and from Dardan Air!!

Both airport offer great spotting and photo opportunities.
 
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RE: Geneva Or Basel

Wed Aug 22, 2001 12:59 am

Hi Peter,

Look up DTPS's web site. http://dptsassociation.homestead.com/homepage.html It has lots of useful info. I do take exception with some of their info on places to spot however (it's a little dated).

I've reproduced below the illustration of the spotting places. Forget spots 1, 5b and 5c. The terrace has high, sctatched up plexiglass all around, and 5b and c are hidden by high brush. Spot 7 I think is pretty useless as well. Spots 5a you need a ladder except in winter, when the grass is not in your way. spot 9 you need a ladder. Spot 8 is a new parking lot (still green on the picture) belonging to TAG Aviation. During the week, you might get kicked out, and definately don't want to park there, but on the weekends there is no problem, including parking. You don't really need a ladder ther, but it's better if you did. you don't need ladders anywhere else.



Considering that none of the spots that are good in the morning are any good in the afternoon, you will need to move around by car - there are no convenient bus routes. Parking right next to, or at the most within 5 minutes walk from a spot is not a problem for any of the spots.

Don't expect any problems with security, as long as you don't start cutting holes (I caught someone doing that recently at spot 8).

When would you be coming? If I'm in town I'd be glad to show you around. I'll be in Vienna myself in a couple of weeks - don't know yet if I'll have time to get a little spotting done.

Cheers,

Charles
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RE: Geneva Or Basel

Wed Aug 22, 2001 1:08 am

Hi!
Charles Thanks for your advice. I'll be there tomorrow the 22nd of August and Im still thinking if I should go there by Swissiar or by Opel  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
You could also mail me here at my temporary office in siwtzerland (unmuthp@viseca.ch).
Whats the usual landing direction in Geneva? And do they change runway very often during the day? That would of course influence my decision.
When will you be in Vienna? may be if you have the time for spotting and I'm finished with my project here in Zurich (which should happen in the next 2 weeks) I could show you around.
Thanks for your feedback very much
Peter
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RE: Geneva Or Basel

Wed Aug 22, 2001 2:42 am

Usually they are on runway 23, which, as it happens is the ideal runway for photos. But tonight they are on 05, which happens about 30% of the time. They nearly always begin the day on 23, and will change to 05 if the wind picks up from the north.

Give me a call when you are in GVA. I've emailed my mobile number to the address you gave.

Cheers,

Charles
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RE: Geneva Or Basel

Wed Aug 22, 2001 2:46 am

Thanks
Peter
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RE: Geneva Or Basel

Wed Aug 22, 2001 6:30 am

Don't go to BSL! It's boring as hell.  Wink/being sarcastic
...At least it was today. About two flight operations in two hours. ...And no Yak-42 today Ramseyy but a private 727. They got great biz-jets at Jet-Aviation right now. 2 Gulfstream V, 2 B-727, 2 BBJs, 1 767 and even a 747SP. Unfortunately they don't seem to fly a lot.  Sad
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RE: Geneva Or Basel

Thu Aug 23, 2001 3:05 pm

It finally was GVA. Great day there. And very nice sotters. Thanks for the car ride and everthing elese.
Peter
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RE: Geneva Or Basel

Thu Aug 23, 2001 4:58 pm

Heya Peter

Which spots did you finally chose, and when?
Did you go by train, Swissair, or Opel?

I'm also thinking about a day at GVA. I think, I'll go by Ford (no product placement intended  Smile/happy/getting dizzy).

Regards
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RE: Geneva Or Basel

Thu Aug 23, 2001 6:41 pm

Gerardo:
I went there by

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The price was worth not to drive 6 hours by car (at least for me).
In the morning I went from the terminal to the spot on the southern side of Rwy. 23 (about 20 minutes to walk). Soon after I arrived there they changed directions  Pissed
Fortunaltely there was another spooter from basel who asked me if I would like to go with him by car to the other side and sure I agreed  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
When we came there we just saw the Gats IL-76 landing but where unable to take it on film  Pissed .
The spot was the one at the TAG Aviation parking lot. Line Ups are pretty good there but for approach you have to have a very high ladder or to go down to the TAG Building. But there you have only 2 seconds after the plane appears from behind the trees and before it moves out of sight so its pretty hard to get the plane. Anyway I got the Saudia Falcon in old colours on finals  Smokin cool.
In the late afternoon i went to the top of the Nissan building from where you can only do approach pictures.
In total it was a very good day.
Peter
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RE: Geneva Or Basel

Fri Aug 24, 2001 12:55 am

Hi Peter,

Sorry I could not join you at the end of the day - like I told you I had a family emergency to take care of. But it was a pleasure to finally meet you. I have even renewed respect for you, managing to get really good quality shots out that little digital camera, using an LCD screen instead of a viewfinder! All the others I've seen try that have met with, shall we say, mediocre results. Good job.

Cheers,

Charles
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