da Fwog
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Request For Comments

Sun Sep 02, 2001 7:17 am

Hi guys. Currently going through my upload directory, and binning a lot of photos that have been sitting there for ages (that I'm never ever going to upload). However I have a few that I'm thinking about, some of which might get uploaded, some of which might get binned (either for composition or quality reasons). I'd appreciate some opinions on whether you think I should upload any of them. If anyone would like to take a look, I've uploaded 6 photos to the following address:

http://www.csdl17613.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/critique/critique.htm

Thanks in advance.

Chris.
 
PUnmuth@VIE
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RE: Request For Comments

Sun Sep 02, 2001 7:23 am

I think you should upload all except the Aeroflot. I especially like the last one because of the clear visibility of the exhaust gases heating up the air.
Peter
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tappan
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RE: Request For Comments

Sun Sep 02, 2001 7:27 am

Nice pics
Mark G
 
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RE: Request For Comments

Sun Sep 02, 2001 9:01 am

Hot shots Chris....I like the heat haze...

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ckw
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RE: Request For Comments

Sun Sep 02, 2001 9:42 am

Hi Chris - I agree with your view on BIKW; BNWY I like - I wouldn't worry about heat haze - I think it adds atmosphere, after all, this is not a "reference" profile -
same goes for BMRF ... but I think the horizon is a bit off line. OBHD is almost great - but a bit too much clutter. RA86079 - maybe worth it for the subject. BPEK ... not sure ... it lacks the "punch" of the other shots, but if seen out of context of those, I think I'd have gone for it.

Cheers,

Colin
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Craigy
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RE: Request For Comments

Sun Sep 02, 2001 10:24 am

Upload them all and lets have a go at someting different.
I strongly believe that we should have an 'artistic' category on A.net to brighten things up a bit.
Craig.
 
da Fwog
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RE: Request For Comments

Sun Sep 02, 2001 10:35 am

Thanks for all your comments (particularly useful, Colin). More are welcome - and please feel free to say if you don't like the shots (what am I SAYING - when have the visitors to this forum needed encouragement to complain about someone else's photos? Smile/happy/getting dizzy)
 
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RE: Request For Comments

Sun Sep 02, 2001 11:17 am

Gosh. I'm 13 yo and have only been out twice spotting. However i have been flying cessnas since i was 6 and have about 45 hours. Anyhow i think you should upload all of them. However i have to agree that the IL-86 is not as sharp as it may need to be. I love the S360 shot, personally my favorite, however Johan and his entourage of screeners may not like the clutter of the localiser things. I hope that they all get uploaded because i dont think i could ever get one of my pics to look like that.
 
mirage
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RE: Request For Comments

Sun Sep 02, 2001 11:58 am

Chris, with the exception of the Aeroflot they're all of very high quality, sharp and clear, all deserve to be uploaded. But let me ask you this: if you like a photo but everybody else don't like it, you'll not upload it to Airliners.net? Or if everybody likes one of your photo but you don't like it, will you upload it just to satisfy the others, even if you think that photo is crap?

Luis
 
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Amazing Photos....

Sun Sep 02, 2001 1:19 pm

If not for the backlog Airliners.net is experiencing - I believe we would have viewed these photos in the database and not in this forum. Hats off to Chris for sharing. I have saved these wonderful images for my personal viewing. Thank you Chris - the photos are very nice...
 
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RE: Request For Comments

Sun Sep 02, 2001 2:37 pm

Chris,

I think that when you have a good digital camera which allows you to take "perfect scans", the quality of the picture itself can turn unacceptable composition errors into big plusses for the pic. The heat haze in your pics (or more precisely the engine exhaust - that's the only haze I see) is a great feature of these pics, and conveys the impression of the airport as a busy, noisy and hot place.

Specifically:
G-BIKW: Needs perhaps a little "understanding from the screeners or Johan, but I like it.

G-BNWY: All the haze I see is engine related. Adds to the character, I think. But the 777 white whale is taking up nearly the whole frame, leaving little else. Maybe I'd hold back on this.

RA-86079: I'd say upload it. If you look at all the other pics of RA-86079, there are no pics of it in the air. Fill the gap. The quality is up to par.

G-BPEK: I really like this one. Please send it in.

G-OBHD: I think it's "cute". It's a different angle and composition. Send it in.

G-BMRF: I love the effect of the engine haze. Send it up.

Cheers,

Charles
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da Fwog
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RE: Mirage

Sun Sep 02, 2001 2:53 pm

Mirage:

It's not that I will only upload photos that other people like (even if I don't), or that I won't upload photos if other people don't like them (even if I do). The fact is, using a digital camera encourages me to take a lot more photos than when I was using exclusively film.

So, for example, you see I have quite a few shots of BA aircraft nose-on, turning on to the runway. Well, I have a lot more similar shots that are not so good as those, or did not work so well. When I see the photos fresh from the camera, I edit quite a lot of them into what I call "Airliners.net format" (in other words, I rotate, crop, resize down to 1024 pixels etc., with the intention of uploading them). But from these, there are always quite a lot that I don't upload. Sometimes this is because there are 2 or 3 shots that are quite similar, so I pick what I think is the best one. Other times, the shots just don't make the grade. They fall into 3 categories - those that I upload right away, those that I reject, and consign to my reject folder, and those that I ponder over. The final category causes me problems, because I end up with quite a lot of pictures that are "borderline" - they're not my best shots, but they're not really BAD either.

I posted a message a little while ago regarding the standard of pictures being submitted by those of us on the Travel List. I said I thought that we should be applying our own kind of "self-screening" to the pictures we upload. This is what I do - the good stuff gets uploaded, the bad stuff doesn't, and the in-between stuff gets left around on my hard disk to stand the test of time - to see in maybe 2 weeks or a month if I think I should upload it or not. More often than not I don't upload these shots.

In this case, I just had these (and a few more) shots that have been there for a while, and I knew what I thought was wrong with them - I just wanted to solicit some opinions to see if other people agreed with me. Then I could decide if I should upload some of them or not. The Aeroflot shot is a case where my judgement of quality was subverted by my interest in the subject. It's not sharp enough and I should have rejected it in the first place. Colin's (Ckw's) thoughts on the S360 shot also agree with my own - the angle is interesting, the shot is sharp enough, but the clutter at the bottom of the frame is too distracting.

I'm still happy to receive more opinions on these shots if anyone wants to offer them. And thanks again for taking the time to look and comment.

Chris.
 
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RE: Request For Comments

Sun Sep 02, 2001 7:07 pm

G-OBHD is a great pic I think. I liked all your other shots from Birmingham from a similar angle so definitely upload this one. I just think because it is an unusual angle it is well worth uploading.

The Aeroflot is also a good shot and I don't believe the sharpness is an issue.

As for the other shots, I think you're right about the 757s, there is a bit too much haze for me which is a shame because otherwise they would have been even higher quality images. BMRF is the best of the three in my opinion, mainly due to the lack of clutter in the background.

The 767 is worth uploading I can't pinpoint exactly why, maybe just the light effect down the fuselage.

As a small footnote, definitely don't bin them!! Imagine in five years time (or whenever) when BA no longer has 757s, you could upload these nostalgic pics to everyone's delight! As ever, it's personal opinion. If you like it, upload it!

Rich
 
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RE: Request For Comments

Sun Sep 02, 2001 9:28 pm

Chris,
I'd keep the borderline shots on your hard disk for a while. I am keeping some of mine back to give myself something to upload during the long rainy November weekends which are not far away now. Since I was totally new to photography this summer, this will be my first attempts at taking photos in Winter conditions. It will be interesting to see what you and the other travel-listers do. I learned a lot about light, angles & locations from seeing your photos from MAN as this is my nearest airport.
Thanks,
Craig.
 
mirage
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RE: Mirage

Sun Sep 02, 2001 10:08 pm

Chris,

The Aeroflot shot compared with the others may not look so sharp but still is a great photo.

I asked that because for a moment I was not sure of your criteria to upload photos due to this sentence: "Let me know if you think any of them are worth it, otherwise they'll be consigned to the "reject" folder on my hard disk." but now it's clear to me your intention.

In borderline cases I always upload the photos, the most important being that I like them. I think we should not be afraid of getting photos rejected, if we're sure of our work that's secondary, the goal is trying to display to the world our photos that we like, that's how I see Airliners.net.

thanks for replying
Luis
 
da Fwog
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RE:

Mon Sep 03, 2001 3:08 am

I don't get rid of any of the pics completely - when I say "bin", I mean they get dumped into a local directory on my PC and then not uploaded.

My criteria for uploading shots is always whether I like them. However, there are often examples where I'm not 100%, but they're good enough that I think it's a shame for them not to see the light of day. These pics fall into that category. This whole thread is just a way of saying "I'm undecided, what do YOU lot think?". Obviously, if I get a lot of comments like "I don't like them" or "those shots are killed by the heat haze" then I would be unlikely to upload them.. etc.

Don't forget, I take a LOT of pictures. Even when bearing these ones in mind, I only upload maybe 1 in 10 to 1 in 20 of the shots I take. You REALLY don't want to see the others!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Request For Comments

Mon Sep 03, 2001 4:38 am

Your right Chris, we don't! Big grin

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