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Best Camera?

Mon Oct 01, 2001 3:00 am

What is the best I can get for 1000 US$? I want a body and a 300 mm zoom. Canon or Nikon appeal most to me.
What do you suggest?

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RE: Best Camera?

Mon Oct 01, 2001 5:00 am

Nikon F80 with Sigma 70-300 APO or Nikon equivalent.
Don't know what the Canon equivalent is.
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RE: Best Camera?

Mon Oct 01, 2001 5:07 am

Really there's not a lot between Nikon and Canon at any given price point. The only real advantage I can see to going Canon is the range of image stabalisation lenses available (Nikon only has one at present). That aside, I would go for the model that feels most comfortable in handling.

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RE: Best Camera?

Mon Oct 01, 2001 5:16 am

Is there a big difference between Sigma and Nikon lenses, in price and quality?

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RE: Best Camera?

Mon Oct 01, 2001 9:03 am

Hmmm... that depends on the particular lens. Generally, the very BEST optics are manufactured by both Nikon & Canon, and these are superior to anything made by Sigma, Tokina, Tamron - but we're talking about the very expensive optics here, lenses costing well over your entire budget. For the lower end stuff (like your 70-210mm, 70-300mm etc.) it's a bit nip and tuck. That is to say, certain 3rd party (Sigma, Tamron, Tokina etc.) lenses are superior in optical quality to their Nikon/Canon equivalents, and in other cases, the main manufacturers win out. Canon have a certain handling advantage though, in that many of their lenses use USM focusing mechanisms (which is near silent, and faster than conventional autofocus lenses). Nikon offer that on only a few very expensive lenses, as do Sigma (Nikon's version is called AF-S, Sigma's is called HSM).

$1000 would probably just about buy you a Canon EOS 30 (or 33 - the only difference is whether or not you want eye-controlled focusing), and Canon's 75-300 with Image Stabiliser. (I don't know what the US equivalent name of this camera is, I THINK it's the Elan 7 (anyone help me out here?)) If you buy the non-IS version of this lens, you'll save yourself $300. If you would prefer to go the Nikon route, you'll be looking at the F80 (N80), and probably Nikon's 70-300. Each way has its own advantages and disadvantages, but the best advice (as Colin suggested) would be to go into a local camera store, and try out the cameras to see which one you prefer before choosing.
 
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RE: Best Camera?

Mon Oct 01, 2001 9:21 am

Thanks for the replies, I don't think I've heard anything bad about the Canon IS lenses.
Have to go to the store and have a look at them..

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RE: Best Camera?

Mon Oct 01, 2001 9:36 am

I can tell you without hesitation that the CAnon lenses are the best there is- the selection of em in IS blows Nikons selection away and blows every other manufacturer even further. Go to any baseball game here in the US and you'll see most of the pro photogs using Canon equipment, especially the large IS lenses.

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RE: Best Camera?

Mon Oct 01, 2001 3:56 pm

Joe, have you used ALL other lenses to be able to say that?
If not, please be more specific, this is not a N vs. C war you know.

Sigma HSM is available on many of their lenses, not just the most expensive ones (but of course more frequently on those, as with Canon's USM).

The best advice is indeed to try the cameras you think fit your budget. Hold them with the lens attached, check if you can reach all the important controls easily and if it is well-balanced.
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RE: Best Camera?

Mon Oct 01, 2001 9:38 pm

It is up to you which system (Canon or Nikon) meets your expectations. You will have to find out what the pro and cons of each manufacturer are. And another thing to focus on is the speed of a lens. Sure, the faster one is the higher the price, but they also offer you hight quality images then.

Just for information the following address gives you some tests of Nikon cameras and lenses: http://www.imagepower.de.

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RE: Best Camera?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 12:33 am


The best camera that you can get is a Nikon, I use a Minolta QTSi with Minolta lens 75-300mm and really im agree with my camera, the lens and the camera could cost you in 500usd, I would like a Nikon N65 but I when Im become a attorney i will got it, but Minolta SLR´s are so cool.

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RE: Best Camera?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 3:09 am

I'm using a minolta right now (15 years old), picture quality is ok, but the autofocus is stonage...

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RE: Best Camera?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 4:12 am

I'm pro-Canon and with your budget I would go for the Canon EOS 30 / Elan 7.

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RE: Best Camera?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 6:13 am

Gabo - I think to say Nikon are the best is a gross generalistation. Nikon are AMONG the best, but certainly Canon, Leica and Contax also make superb equipment. The best camera is the one that works best for you ... as an aside does anyone work in medium format here? I'm sure Mr Hasselblad would be in contention for the "best" camera!

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RE: Best Camera?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 3:03 pm

>as an aside does anyone work in medium format here?<

I had a Hasselblad a while ago, the quality was mindblowing! I'm pondering, maybe I'll get a Mamiya 645.
Can't stop longing back to the quality of those big slides!
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RE: Best Camera?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 3:37 pm

Don't let Joe fool you, while Canon has very good quality glass, it's far from "the best there is and blowing every other manfacturer away" Remember, Canon puts out a lot of consumer crap lenses just like other guys. Take the same shot with a Canon 70-200/f2.8, Nikon 80-200/f2.8, Pentax 80-200/f2.8, Minolta 70-200/f2.8 with the exact same exposure and I'd give you $100 if you could tell the difference between any of 'em. You can't.

Hey Joe, wonder what the Nat'l G. photogs mostly use?? Looks like Nikon to me.

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RE: Best Camera?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 5:03 pm

Mike is right - 99 times out of 100 you would not be able to tell the difference between pics taken with any of the top makes - or perhaps even some 3rd party lenses. But this doesn't mean they're all the same - different lens coatings mean different (not necessarily better or worse) responses in, say, conditions which might induce flare. There may be variations in performance at different apertures - for example, a given Canon lens may beat a Nikon wide open, but the same Nikon lens outperform the Canon stopped down.
And there is autofocus ... manufacturers will trade off speed for accuracy and vice-versa.

OK, National Geographic may use Nikon, but check out any major sporting event, and I think you'll find those big white Canon lenses outnumbering everything else.

Bottom line - you need to know what YOU want in a camera, then find the make whihc best suits.

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RE: Best Camera?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 5:33 pm

Colin's right. You should take the camera you prefer. Sure, there are always some differences between the C and N photographers defending their system that is not really useful as both systems are quite good - I think. But I'd advice you not to buy used items because recently I made the experience that an AF lens I've bought turned a MF lens ...

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RE: Best Camera?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 10:40 pm

Ok thanks!
BTW, what's the difference between the black (IS USM) and the white canon lenses, since the white ones are ten times more expensive?

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RE: Best Camera?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 11:10 pm

The USM engines cost a lot more, so does the IS system.
The glass and coatings may also be a bit better (or at least somewhat stricter QA).
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RE: Best Camera?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 11:19 pm

The white ones are in the L series. Their build quality is much better. Better glass is used too. Often they are fast (2,8). Pro stuff.
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RE: Best Camera?

Tue Oct 02, 2001 11:55 pm

L series are better, though not perhaps 2 or 3 times better. Law of diminishing returns applies to lens construction as to everything else.

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RE: Best Camera?

Wed Oct 03, 2001 12:03 am

But the non-L series 75-300 with IS and USM is good??

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RE: Best Camera?

Wed Oct 03, 2001 3:57 am

I'm using the Canon EOS 30 just for one week, with the 75-300 USM IS. The lens is very very good and the IS makes wonders under low light conditions. Here's an example with that lens, not using the IS:

http://image.pbase.com/u/airluis/upload/379637.mmz%5f733.jpg

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RE: Best Camera?

Wed Oct 03, 2001 4:02 am

OK, National Geographic may use Nikon, but check out any major sporting event, and I think you'll find those big white Canon lenses outnumbering everything else.

Don't be fooled Colin, a lot of those "white" lenses can and might just be Nikon "grey" lenses. Nikon isn't just black anymore...

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RE: Best Camera?

Wed Oct 03, 2001 11:30 am

Well, since most press photos from sporting events end up being printed on so-so quality paper (weekly magazines and newspapers) anyway, I suppose Canon will suffice.  Yeah sure

Compare that with the high quality printing of National Geographic and you'll see why only Nikon takes the worlds greatest pictures!! Big grin

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RE: Best Camera?

Wed Oct 03, 2001 3:20 pm

Also a lot of 3rd party lenses are now white or grey (or bare metal look like mine).
I've also heard stories of people painting their lenses white to make them look like Canon L-series lenses  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
At the same time, people using those Canons are starting to paint them, especially wildlife photographers as the white lens scares the animals away (just as bare metal cameras and tripods).
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RE: Best Camera?

Wed Oct 03, 2001 4:44 pm

Nikon has established the grey lenses just a few years ago. I do not know the differences between Canon's grey and black lenses but Nikon's grey lenses are equal (in technical sense) to the "standard colored" lenses. As far as I know the main reason why Nikon offers two different objectives is that bright ones do not warm up like the dark ones do.

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RE: Best Camera?

Thu Oct 04, 2001 1:04 am

'949...that was great  Smile

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RE: Best Camera?

Tue Oct 09, 2001 1:55 am

I have both a Nikon N70 and N90-S. I am happy with both of them. The N90 is faster with frames per second. Either one is good.

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