SHAMROCK_107
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Advice On Films...

Mon Oct 15, 2001 1:26 am

I need advice as to what film you guys think is the best... I'm spotting at Dublin and, I'm sure you all know, the weather isn't terribly good... The days are usually grey and dull...
Anyway... What film do you think I should be using... I'm shooting during the day by the way...

John.
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RE: Advice On Films...

Mon Oct 15, 2001 1:37 am

For prints, Fuji Reala.

Luis
 
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RE: Advice On Films...

Mon Oct 15, 2001 2:10 am

John,
Just dont go on the dull days, hold out. I have to and I dont even get out there often

Fuji Reala or Fuji Superia
 
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RE: Advice On Films...

Mon Oct 15, 2001 2:11 am

If your shooting in good bright sun.... go with Kodak Kodachrome 64 (K64). You'll find that most of the serious photogs on a.net use slide film, either K64 or Fuji Provia 100. Both will give you great results in day light with good weather conditions. When it's cloudy/rainy I stay home....  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Advice On Films...

Mon Oct 15, 2001 3:52 am

Personaly I think K64 sucks. If it's sunny go with Fuji Sensia. Alot of the photos in the database that I know were shot on K64 appear underexposed and colours aren't virbrant but rather dull. The greens and blues look very dark or black while the white aircraft appears correctly exposed. Not so on Fuji films. Besided I think its easier and faster to process E-6 than it is Kodak films, not to mention all the problems people have encountered with sending the film away to the Kodak labs for processing.
 
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RE: Advice On Films...

Mon Oct 15, 2001 5:09 am

Thanks a lot for the help and comments guys!

I think I'll try the three Fuji films suggested, and also, stay home when the weather isn't good  Wink/being sarcastic!

John.
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RE: Advice On Films...

Mon Oct 15, 2001 6:01 am

John - I'd go with Reala on the dull days - don't stay home! First, there are too few sunny days in Dublin, and secondly, weather can really ad to the shot ... look at some of Pixair's stuff.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Advice On Films...

Mon Oct 15, 2001 6:22 am

Colin has brought a good point, dull or cloudy days aren't that bad, we don't need to stay home. We need to be more creative and find new opportunities. I couldn't get this shot on a blue sunny day.

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RE: Advice On Films...

Mon Oct 15, 2001 7:21 am

I'm actually planning to experiment with dull wet days when I switch to slides to see if i can get any vortices and wing condensation - We in Dublin have THE perfect angle to get an A330 front half close-up kicking up water. But I have yet to get it !  Big grin

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Martin
 
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RE: Advice On Films...

Mon Oct 15, 2001 8:08 am

I don't go out in cloudy conditions but I must admit sometimes it could be a good occasion to make some unusual shots.
This on was made with a Fuji... Smartmedia  Smile

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RE: Advice On Films...

Mon Oct 15, 2001 2:23 pm

Stay home only if there is no light at all. Sunlight in wet conditions can make for some very interesting images, like this ...


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On the other hand, if you're there already, and even if the light is lacking, you can still get things like this ...  Nuts


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I use Fuji Provia F 100 and Kodak EBX 100. Provia F has nicer colors, in my opinion, but EBX is cheaper.

I would invest in a film picker, so that you can change films in mid-roll (unless your camera already has that function) ... sometimes when conditions are not so good, you still get some nice subjects, and rather than let them go, you can switch to 400-speed print film and still get decent images.

Both the images above were on Kodak EBX, BTW.

Eric
 
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RE: Advice On Films...

Mon Oct 15, 2001 3:56 pm

only ever use Fuji sensia 100 amd with 250+ images here it must be ok  Smile
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RE: Advice On Films...

Tue Oct 16, 2001 4:23 am

Ckw - maybe I will try and shoot during rubbish days... See what kind of results I can get  Wink/being sarcastic.

Luis - Nice pic! That would probably be the sort of thing I'm aiming for...

Martin - Good idea! I know exactly the spot you are talking about, I think lol. I'd try if I had a bigger lens, my lens (singlular!) isn't anywhere near big enough, 35mm-80mm LOL!!

Ydelta - Very nice shot indeed! Just shows what can be done with those beautiful cloud formations! Also, of one of my favourite planes!

Ericp - Those are also very nice pictures! Those are the kind of pictures I admire...! Obviously the water spraying up ads to the overall quality etc. I would consider investing in a film picker as you suggested, yes. But I think for the moment, a bigger lens is on the top of my list of priorities...

Thanks for the replies!

John.
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RE: Advice On Films...

Tue Oct 16, 2001 4:43 am

The bulk of my photos (1100+) on Airliners.net are with Fuji Sensia/Sensia II ISO100. Some of them were taken with Fuji Provia 100F which is better in terms of grain although a little more sensitive to exposure errors. It's also significantly more expensive than Sensia so Sensia remains my everyday film. All of these are slide films. The results from these can be seen at:

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?photographersearch=Felix%20Sieder

Cheers,
Felix
 
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RE: Advice On Films...

Tue Oct 16, 2001 6:41 am

John just to show you a few from that spot I was talking about
I love the place !


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In case I forgot to mention it I currently use Fuji Superia 100 print film (the 2 above are taken with that film) about £5 for 36 exposures. I've gotten iffy results so far (but I think that might be the developer who fecks thing up), hence my decision to switch to slides in the next 2 weeks.

Cheers,
Martin

My advice; pull as much money together as you can and get that 300mm lens ASAP !

 
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RE: Advice On Films...

Tue Oct 16, 2001 6:58 am

Martin,

Very nice pics indeed. I'd say too sharp to be true  Smile
Don't see a personal offense, but these photos look quite irreal, like the planes were cut and paste on a different background. Do you apply a special Photoshop filter or what ? The grass looks very... green but a non standard green (maybe the Irish grass is like that I don't know  Smile )
Again, no doubt about your work but just wondering.

Yann
 
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RE: Advice On Films...

Wed Oct 17, 2001 2:18 am

Hi Ydelta,
Don't worry no offence taken. I dont know if you were joking here but the sharpness was the product of the lightest of unsharp mask settings in photoshop; radius 1.0 - 60%.
Why does everyone say they look superimposed !!!!! Not anyone here but my family always says "nice shot Martin, but is that doctered in some way, the plane seems to be standing out a lot ?"
I can tell you they are as real as they come. The screeners added them to the database within 24 hours so they must have been good enough for that to happen

Cheers,
Martin
 
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RE: Advice On Films...

Wed Oct 17, 2001 4:11 am

Hey Martin!
Nice shots! Long-term car park right?
How do you manage to clear that darned fence?!

John.
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RE: Advice On Films...

Wed Oct 17, 2001 9:18 am

I'm not a user of slides myself. I tend to stick with the prints. I have used several types of film such as AGFA, Kodak and Fuji to find the Fuji Superia films give me the best value for money. Cheap, yet NOT nasty like the others. If shooting on cloudy days, it is probably best to go for Fuji Superia ISO 200 rather than the 100.
Good Luck  Big grin
 
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RE: Advice On Films...

Wed Oct 17, 2001 10:10 pm

Hi John,
Well I'm 5ft 8' and still on the way up but unless you are super small then there's no problem in clearing the fence. The mound itself is about 12ft high
 
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RE: Advice On Films...

Thu Oct 18, 2001 1:11 am

Martin - I've been looking at those two pics you posted, and, yes, they do look superimposed - I was trying to figure out why. My guess is that there is a small rise between you and the runway which is effectively hiding the tarmac and more abruptly curtailing the normally expected fade from out of focus to infocus. The grass tones match almost exactly to that of the field behind the runway.

So it looks like the aircraft if lifting off the grass, and the critical bit of ground that would give the expected visual cues is hidden.

Either that or its a cut 'n' paste job!  Smile

Cheers,

Colin
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Colin.....

Thu Oct 18, 2001 2:54 am

Damn my secret is out  Big grin !

No on a serious note I see exactly what you mean but I can assure you they are as real as they come.
Dont ask me why they look like that though. But my family keep saying the same thing !

Cheers,
Martin

BTW, there is a bit of a slope all right on my side of the photograph that is quite pronounced when you are up close by the perimeter fence. On ground level you would need a ladder just to see the whole aircraft

 
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RE: Advice On Films...

Thu Oct 18, 2001 1:22 pm

Regarding shooting in rain/clouds.... I have to admit that you boys in Europe and Asia get some very interesting results in that type of weather. We don't have that exact "unique" type of damp wet weather here. When it's rainy/cloudy here, it's just plain ugly!

~Carlos
 
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RE: Advice On Films...

Sat Oct 20, 2001 3:28 am

Hey Martin!
Can I just ask you where you get your photos put onto CD?

Thanks,
John.
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RE: Advice On Films...

Sat Oct 20, 2001 4:26 am

John,
Pixels in Liffey Street oppostite the side entrance to Arnott's (Sports Dept.)

http://www.pixels.ie

Martin
 
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RE: Advice On Films...

Sat Oct 20, 2001 5:46 am

Cheers Martin...

John.
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