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Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 6:11 am

For some time now I have been pondering over whether or not to purchase a digital Canon D30.

Having seen the great results of other owners on A.net. I desperatly want one.

I currently own a Pentax MZ30 with a 28-300mm sigma lens and a flatbed scanner, which I believe give decent results.

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If I purchase a D30 I have to part with £1700 GBP  Crying

I am considering the purchase of a Nikon Coolscan IV at £600 GBP.

At present I probably spend £12 GBP a week on film/developing, which equates to 1 years worth before the D30 will pay for itself.

Can you put my mind at rest and help me decide which is the better option.

My budget is within the Coolscan range but will require about 6 months saving for a D30  Sad


Thanks in advance

Kevin Minter.

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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 6:14 am




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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 6:21 am

Kevin, buy one. If you dont you will regret it.

Im 17 and I wanted this camera but at this age I simply cant afford it. I opted for the C-2100 for £500. Means hardly any developing costs but I didnt have to pay out £1,000+ for a digital SLR. As I said I wanted one but is wasnt an option for me. I am pretty happy with my camera and anyway, I didnt have as much developing costs as you, I must have taken less shots. I wasnt spending £12 a week on developing.

So i would say get it. If you dont you will keep seeing wonderful shots on here taken with it and you will wish u had got one

LGW
 
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 6:33 am

Have you factored in lens costs with the D30? Your figure seems a bit low with any decent lens in the 300 zoom range. Also, have you factored in the cost of additional memory for the D30, which would seem to be an essential. To be honest, while the D30 is a terrific camera, I would not recommend going this route if your case is primarily one of economics. If you're happy with your present camera, the difference between the scanner and the D30 outfit will buy you a lot of film. I also suspect the depreciation on the D30 is going to be pretty horrendous, as new and better models are inevitable in the near future.

In terms of quality, I beleive that theoretically, the right film/scanner combination is capable of superior results, but does require some skill to acheive. I think the D30 would result in better digital images for most people most of the time.

Finally, are you happy to commit your imagry to a pure digital format? Or do you think you will still have a requirement for slides/prints in the future (if the latter, best factor in a good photo printer to your D30 budget!).

I don't know the answer - I faced a similar dilemna last spring and opted to stick with film and uograde my scanner - and while I'm happy with the results, I'm beginning to see occasions when I would prefer a digital camera.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 6:59 am

ONLY 6 MONTHS to save for a D30 !?

I'd need 6 YEARS.........AT LEAST !!!
 
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 7:37 am

Only you can decide. I was spending £100 a month on average over a year (obviously biased towards the sunnier months) on film and processing. So it's going to take well over a year to get an actual monetary saving from the D30, and even longer if you consider the extra items I have bought (lenses, memory cards, spare battery etc.) However, it has completely changed my photography - and for the better, I would have to say.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that it's a LOT of money to be spending on ANY bit of gear. For me, it was a difficult decision, but I feel I made the right one - using the D30 has opened up a world of creativity, and given me the impetus to experiment with shots I would not have taken before. I would not have got any of the following without it:

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I think that like any piece of equipment, for some people it will work, and be a worthwhile investment - for others it will not be so good. It's not going to be the camera of choice for slide traders, or for people who only shoot a dozen rolls a year.

I really like the camera and get on well with it, and I am pleased with the results I get. That doesn't mean that you will feel the same, nor get the same results. Also, what Colin (ckw) says is true - however much you pay for a D30 now, you are bound to get one for less in 6 months or 12 months time. How will you feel about that, or if in a year you can buy an improved model with more pixels for less money than you paid?

Will it work for you? Will it pay for itself? These questions, only you can answer.

Chris.

PS sorry for plugging pics again. For fairness sake, please don't open them!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 8:01 am

Those 50 views you'll get from posting your own pics for a good reason are nothing compared to your 721633 total views.  Big grin
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 8:40 am

It was 718000 last time I looked! I'm doing better than I thought!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 9:42 am

Buy it from the US and just pay the VAT, it'll still be a good deal cheaper and then get a decent (but not unbelievable) Lens, for say $400-500 (assuming you buy from the USA). Then all you need is memory which is cheap cheap cheap at the moment.

Here are some websites you can use:

http://royalcamera.com

http://bwayphoto.com

http://digitaldepot.co.uk

Regards

Dan
 
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 3:05 pm

Here's my motto: You can never have too many cameras, cars, and of course, girls.

Chris, do you still use your F100? If not, do you need a good home for it?
 
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 5:11 pm

Kevin

Buy it!

They are a lot of money and they will be cheaper next year or replaced by something different and better. Its like buying a car or a PC there is always something cheaper and better just around the corner  Wink/being sarcastic

Also you can give Da Kingwide (they are the same person!) some competition at MAN plus it keeps you alll away from LGW Big grin

Cheers

Paul (King of the bobble hat)
 
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RE: Paul

Mon Nov 05, 2001 10:07 pm

Kingwide and Da Fwog are the same person? Why?

Luis
 
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 11:51 pm

We aren't. He's just trying to get back at me for suggesting he wears a bobble hat!

 
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Mon Nov 05, 2001 11:58 pm

Can I justify the purchase of a Canon D30?

I'm trying my best not to, but its getting mighty difficult as time goes on  Sad

Andy
 
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Tue Nov 06, 2001 1:02 am

Hi all

I found it very difficult but the more I thought about it, the more I wanted it...........the result..........I got one  Smile

Lots of money to make the bank manager squirm.

Hold off in the event the price comes down but reading on a Canon forum recently, it looks like Canon will not make big discounts on this camera, despite the D1 being released.

Regards

Gary Watt
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Tue Nov 06, 2001 1:18 am

Well, there's huge difference between the D30 and the 1D in price and target market. I could see the price slipping by £2-300 over the next few months, but I suspect it's going to take more competition to make it really tumble. I guess if people start buying Sony F707s, and Minolta Dimages in droves in preference to D30s and S1s, then the price will take a nosedive.

Let's make no bones about it though - it's a nice camera!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Tue Nov 06, 2001 1:40 am

OK guys,

Just out of curiosity, what extra would I need in addition to the bog standard body at £1800?

For example, it seems it comes with a 16MB card which is hardly adequate... So more memory cards... What else?

And no, I'm not getting one [yet!]

Andy

PS: As for Dan's suggestion of buying one in the US, it does seem quite attractive, and I usually go to the states once a year... US retail around $1600 at $1.43 = £1.00, US sales tax refunded, but then I'd probably end up having to tell the nice man at customs, so add 17.5% VAT and ??% duty, and that still seems to make it come out a good £300-£400 cheaper than UK. Hmmmm!
 
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Tue Nov 06, 2001 1:51 am

Sounds like you can have the trip to NYC for free!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Tue Nov 06, 2001 9:37 am

On top of the possible custom problems, you may also have service and warranty problems - I suspect Canon UK would consider this a "grey import" and invite you to send it back to your friends in the US.

Additional costs? How 'bout lenses! If you're already into the Canon system, great, but if you're gonna buy decent Canon lenses these will set you back a lot.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Tue Nov 06, 2001 9:48 am

There isn't much wrong with the Memory cards, for a 128mb its only £50 so you are fine there, the lens is the only other problem but if you have a previous Canon camera then you can just use those lenses.

Blablabla, its all very complicated and annoying, and i'm still trying to sort out my cheapy camera so...

I'm just a kid  Big grin

Regards

Dan (btw. for my winter holiday i was looking at funny hats, unfortunetely i ended up with a normal one hehe)
 
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Tue Nov 06, 2001 10:15 am

Well, I'd recommend buying at least 256MB of memory (about £100). If you want an extra battery (it's a camcorder-type lithium-ion thingie) it will set you back £50+ (although Jessops stock a compatible one for £40). The optional battery grip is £150, a remote shutter cord is £40 if you have a need for one.

To be honest, if you already have Canon-fit lenses, the only immediate cost you need to incur is that of a memory card. The battery is good for about 500-600 shots before needing a recharge, so you only really need a spare if you are likely to shoot more than this in a day.
 
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Tue Nov 06, 2001 4:59 pm

As Colin has pointed out if you go for a grey import then check with Canon UK about the warranty. I had a very nice deal on a purchase of my S1 in Chicago but Fuji dont have an international warranty and wouldnt honour it in the UK  Sad

Memory wise go for a microdrive, I have a 340mb and a 1gb and will never run out of space when shooting  Wink/being sarcastic Just look after them thats all. We use them here at work and the abuse that they take in pit lanes around the world they still seem to be fine!

Regards

Paul
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Tue Nov 06, 2001 5:58 pm

Now, you see, I would disagree with the advice to purchase a microdrive. The reasoning behind this is the way CF cards have dropped in price. 6 months ago, I would have said a microdrive was definitely the way to go, given the large capacity and (relatively) low price. However most dealers still want around the £300 mark for a 1Gb microdrive, while a 256Mb CF card can now be had for less than £100. (In other words, for the same price as a 1Gb microdrive, I can have 3/4Gb in CF cards) For me, this means that there is not a great enough price differential to justify a microdrive over CF cards, given that it has slower access, increased power requirements (ie heavier on batteries), and will be inherently more unreliable, as it has moving parts and CF cards do not. [I'm not saying it is particularly unreliable, just that it has more to go wrong]

Please don't think I'm slagging microdrives off - the microdrive is undoubtedly a great piece of innovation; I just think that with the drop in price of solid state alternatives, it is no longer the great buy it once was.
 
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Tue Nov 06, 2001 7:30 pm

Chris,

No worries, must admit I hadnt kept an eye on the price of the cards.

Cheers

Paul
 
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Tue Nov 06, 2001 9:10 pm


"CF card"

Excuse my ignorance...but is this like...the same as...or totally different entirely...to SmartMedia...?

Regards,
Dean
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Tue Nov 06, 2001 11:15 pm

Dean

CF = Compact Flash.
MS = Memork Stick
SM = Smart Media

Well, my D30 has arrived so will have to pick up from the Post Office.....sorry Consignia...tomorrow  Sad

Regards

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RE: Gary

Tue Nov 06, 2001 11:23 pm


ED = Envious Dean  Wink/being sarcastic

Have fun Gary!

Cheers,
Dean

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RE: Dean

Tue Nov 06, 2001 11:28 pm

Hi Dean

TC = Tuff cheezee.

Gary
 
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Tue Nov 06, 2001 11:45 pm

Dean,

D30 - £1639 is the best price I've seen recently. Almost as cheap as going to the States to get one! Tempted???  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Andy
 
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RE: Andy

Wed Nov 07, 2001 2:43 am


Er...no!  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Andy

Wed Nov 07, 2001 3:28 am

When I was looking at going digital, I looked at everything. I was told that a digital body that takes SLR lens has a big drawback versus a fully digital camera. I was told that a fully digital camera has everything made for digital photography(lens, optics, light metering/evaluation, depth, etc) whereas a digital body that takes SLR lenses suffers in that the lenses don't quite keep up with the full potential of the camera. Kind of like buying a Concorde with propellers! As the cost is horrendous($3000 in the ATL area) I opted for the Olympus C-2100UZ for around $600 and love it. Unfortunately, it looks like I'll never be able to use it again on airliners!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Wed Nov 07, 2001 4:00 am

I'd say that an SLR lens is far superior to the Optical zoom on the dedicated digital cameras. I don't see why you just didn't order one off the internet, only $1600 from New York area (why do you have to buy from Atlanta?)..

anyways, its up to you whether you can justify it, depends what you are going to use the camera for (any other photography) and how much you use your camera at the moment.

Oh well, Gary Watt might be sorry (better be  Acting devilish)

Regards

Dan
 
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Wed Nov 07, 2001 5:09 am

The argument isn't that the lens is superior - more that it is suited to the particular use it is being put. CCD sensors do the same job as film, but they don't work in the same way. In particular, they are more sensitive to the direction that light hits them, whereas conventional film is not. For this reason, the performance of early digital SLRs, particularly with reference to colour fringing, was a little dubious. The argument that Olympus used when they originally designed the E10 was that the lens was designed specifically with this in mind, and could therefore outperform equivalent digital SLRs, using lenses originally deisgned for film cameras.

Having said all that, we have moved on some way since then, and current CCD sensors used in digital SLRs are far superior to earlier ones. In fact, the whole design of the cameras is superior, and these sorts of problems have been dealt with pretty satisfactorily. That's not to say the next generation of digital cameras won't be better. I mean, how old is the CD audio format, and we are still getting better and better hifi CD players....
 
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Wed Nov 07, 2001 5:34 am

The true reason your shop liked digital P&S cameras better is most likely the fact that they have a higher profitmargin on them...
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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Wed Nov 07, 2001 5:52 am

So it looks like I'm opting for the film scanner then?

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RE: Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?

Wed Nov 07, 2001 7:24 am

Don't know why that last post went to "Andy" but was not directed to him! Intresting to hear everyone's knowledge, obviously I'm still "green" behind the ears! One thing I do know is that ALL the ATL area stores are overpriced and the people that work there are pretty narrow minded(I'm not the only one that says this....ask any of my non-aviation photo friends!). I just try things out in these stores and then order from one of the lower priced, better customer service NY area stores!!!
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