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"Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Mon Nov 12, 2001 11:23 pm

I uploaded two Boston sunset photos which had most of the picture blurry except for the A-330 and RJ...This is called panning. Have some of you tried it? I used a 600mm lens on a tripod with a shutter speed of 1/8 of a second. I "followed" the jet in the air by moving the lens on the tripod. I thought it looked pretty cool, but sad to say it was rejected due to being blurry.  Sad  Sad  Sad
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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Mon Nov 12, 2001 11:30 pm

I've tried it a couple of times  Big grin


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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Mon Nov 12, 2001 11:31 pm

Hi!
Could you show the picture here? It should be reachable under the path:
http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=YOURFILENAME.JPG
Would be great to see the shot from you  Smile/happy/getting dizzy)
My only attempt this far is this one which was made with a shutter speed of 1/5 of a second if I remember correctly and was also rejected.
Regards
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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 13, 2001 12:18 am

Hi Mark,

I've had a pic rejected for the same reason while trying to create some background 'motion blur' but it wasn't TOO bad for a first attempt I might say. I'll get it right one day! Big grin

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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 13, 2001 12:27 am

Even for the most seasoned pro, this is a very difficult technique to master.

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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 13, 2001 1:17 am

Guess the Screener hasnt mastered it either Big grin

Can you post the pics so we can see??

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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 13, 2001 2:29 am

600mm at 1/8, ouch, that can't be easy!!  Smile

 
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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 13, 2001 4:50 am

I have had the same experience. An evening pan shot of an Alitalia 747 taken on takeoff with the blur. I thought it was probably the best shot of an airliner that I have ever taken. It was rejected. Too "blurred" (I read "arty"). Well, its not my site. But artistic shots can have a problem getting on here.

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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 13, 2001 5:16 am

Love those shots. Could probably never do it myself. But there are a few here in airliners.net...

Look here

(Hopefully this links to my photo album of pans....)

Regards

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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 13, 2001 5:18 am

I've managed to get a few successful panned shots, lots of failures - and a significant number of borderlines. When panning an aircraft at very slow shutter speeds, you MAY be able to compensate for horizontal motion, but there is also a small amount of vertical motion - either photographer enduced, or due to the aircraft (bumpy runways!). The net result is that getting a good motion blur and a perfectly sharp aircraft is very difficult. More likely, the aircraft is a little less than "crisp" - whether this gets accepted or ditched as blurry is a bit of a lottery.

Cheers,

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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 13, 2001 8:45 am


I had this shot added last week.


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Taken with 75-300mm zoom at about 200mm I suppose.

I can't remember the shutter speed but it was shot on KR64 at F6.7 or F8.0 in pretty poor light so it must have been pretty slow as evidenced by the very blurred background.

I'm prepared to admit it may not be pin sharp...but at least Johan and the screeners saw something they liked...

Certainly not an exact science though...  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Tech

Tue Nov 13, 2001 10:12 am

How can I show it here?????
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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 13, 2001 2:17 pm

Mark and all the others
I saved your pic and will show it here (c) Mark G..
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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 13, 2001 4:16 pm

I had a look at both of your panning shots, Mark, and both were rejected by Johan himself. This just goes to show, for those people who think that it matters WHO you are when your photos are being screened, that even the great and the good get photos rejected.

[pointed comment so Sukhoi: it also goes to show that you shouldn't simply lay rejection criticisms at the door of the screeners! (makes a note of "Paul Dopson" in the Screeners' Big Rejection Book  Smile/happy/getting dizzy)]

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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 13, 2001 4:45 pm

S4 is it because of my bobble hat?

Anyway I thought I would be at the top of the Screeners rejection list already  Wink/being sarcastic

Cheers

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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 13, 2001 5:33 pm

Maybe we should have Johan add a "Paul Dopson" reason for rejection, alongside "blurry", "Grainy", etc.

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Seriously, panning is easy. Panning correctly is difficult (and no, I have not mastered the technique by any means - all my attempts so far have produced crap.).

I think this is a fine example of panning

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Photo © J.T. Wenting



And just think, J.T. could barely get any pics on the site a few short months ago! Huge improvements since then. Good going J.T.!

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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 13, 2001 5:42 pm

Nice one Mark, looks like a 22L approach with the Winthrop houses in the background.

I always loved to create the effect of speed.


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was shot at 500mm, f6.3 and 1/60sec.

Same applies for this LH cargo touching down.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=434036

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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 13, 2001 6:48 pm

thanks S2. My problem has never been my photos, but my scanner and my lack of skill in Photoshop  Wink/being sarcastic
Both are getting better all the time (but slowly, so slowly  Big thumbs up)
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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 13, 2001 7:01 pm

It is very simple from my standpoint: If the background is blurred and the aircraft sharp, it's going to be accepted. If the background and aircraft is blurred it's a reject.

Thanks,
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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 13, 2001 9:51 pm

Thanks Johan.
Did not mean for this thread to say "Told ya so"...Looking at it again, I think the picture could be sharper. I will try a re scan and if still soft will try to shoot it again. I know its know Kai Tak, but here in BOS a panned photo only has a few city lights  Sad  Sad  Sad
Keep up the great site!
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Peter, thanks for the upload.
 
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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 13, 2001 9:59 pm

Vasco,
Very nice!
Lufthansa touchdown with "tire smoke" and panned effect. Very Good!!
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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 13, 2001 10:05 pm

Nice shot, Vasco, but what about the crooked horizon?
I remember Peter's photos were rejected for much less tilt...

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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Tech

Wed Nov 14, 2001 10:34 am

here's my best panning effort...can't remember what the exposure was like...but it was slow enough!

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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Wed Nov 14, 2001 10:45 am

This is my only photo that has this panning effect, not as blurry backgrounds as some of you others though.
Can't say I did it on purpose Big grin


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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Wed Nov 14, 2001 12:05 pm

Do you need a monopod to sucessfully pan at low shutter speeds?
 
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RE: YKA

Wed Nov 14, 2001 9:49 pm

YKA:
That might be a good idea..i have one i just don't use it that much...i'll have to try that out!

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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Thu Nov 15, 2001 10:41 pm

I just uploaded one........


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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Fri Nov 16, 2001 2:51 am

Panning has to be perfect for a good result. The variables are the lens and the shutter speed. As a rule of thumb if you are using a 300mm lens, do not use speeds less than 1/300 or 1/250. Shooting at 1/125 is risky unless you are prepared to loose the shot and be disappointed. But if you are lucky this would be the perfect shot. I never use a tripod for a moving target. And do not leave the camera on full program mode. Select the speed and leave the aperture on auto. Always check that you have enough light for a good exposure. I had pictures where the aircraft was at an angle of 60 degrees from my camera (so the nose was closer to me than the tail) where the nose got blurred and the rest of the plane sharp. This may sound odd, but it illustrates the risk of using speeds slower than 1/250.
 
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A Question To Vasco Also

Sun Nov 18, 2001 11:07 pm

Right so here's my late contribution since I was waiting for it to be uploaded. Its also my 100th photo on A.net  Smile


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Shutter speed was 1/125. I very much like this technique so I'll be trying it out more often. Next on the line is 1/90 second but only when I've mastered 1/125.

A Question to Vasco: I'm presuming you didn't hand hold that LH Cargo shot, or did you ?

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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Sun Nov 18, 2001 11:52 pm

I'm sure you've all seen this but since we're having a 'plugathon' Big grin

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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Mon Nov 19, 2001 12:29 am

Martin wrote:
"A Question to Vasco: I'm presuming you didn't hand hold that LH Cargo shot, or did you ?"

500mm hand hold at 1/125...hmmm my hand is steady but not steady, I used a monopod for that shot.

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Blurry Pan

Mon Nov 19, 2001 1:47 am

I tried that technique at BNA back in July. The very first time i had done it and I ALMOST got it perfect. I was panning a Southwest (old colors) that had just touched down so it was orange with blurred green trees behind it - nice contrast. Only problem was the jet was slightly blurred too.

Almost got it!

(but now those terrorists have made practicing this all but impssible!)
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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 20, 2001 8:57 am

Just uploaded a couple onto airliner.net, at the moment they are going through the screening process. I really hope some of them make it onto the site!!!
 
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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 20, 2001 5:27 pm

Staffan... I think I see too much smart blur on the plane on this shot!!
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RE: "Blurry" Pics Via "panning Technique"

Tue Nov 20, 2001 8:26 pm

You think so?  Smile

I know, it was one of my first photos here and I was trying out what was acceptable or not. I'll try to do a rescan some time.

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