CcrlR
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Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Thu Nov 22, 2001 9:54 am

I want you to see what I made with my camera. Here are the pictures.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/SW_737_200.JPG
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ATA_737-800_front.JPG
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ATA_757-300_nose.JPG

The last one may not make it cause I was facing the other way when I took it but I want to know what you think.
"He was right, it is a screaming metal deathtrap!"-Cosmo (from the Fairly Oddparents)
 
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Thu Nov 22, 2001 12:35 pm

All 3 won't stand a chance against the mighty Screeners.
Follow @kimbo_snaps on Instagram or bokimon- on Flickr to see more pics of me and my travels.
 
Mark2102
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Thu Nov 22, 2001 1:38 pm

They are grainy. I don't think they will pass them because I had pictures that are clearer and they get rejected for some stupid reason.

Mark
 
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Thu Nov 22, 2001 4:13 pm

I haven't come across these in the queue (yet), but I'm sorry to say they WILL be rejected. They are just not sharp enough to get added. They are also a little too grainy, and the colors look washed out.

Sorry!

S4
 
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Thu Nov 22, 2001 5:52 pm

Check your email, I have edited one, to give you an example of how it could become after editing it good enough. It still won't get added, because the source was to grainy

Wietse
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CcrlR
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Thu Nov 22, 2001 11:47 pm

Thanks and do I need to have 1200dpi to make it beter?
What do I need to do?
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Fri Nov 23, 2001 12:22 am

Just go through photos on the databse and compare your photos to them, then you will know yourself if they have a chance

LGW
 
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Fri Nov 23, 2001 12:28 am

what kind of scanner do you use? Are the images on the prints sharper than the scan?
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Fri Nov 23, 2001 2:23 am

What kind of camera and film did you use? What kind of scanner also?
 
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Fri Nov 23, 2001 3:30 am

Quote:"Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded"

What an ego........
 
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Fri Nov 23, 2001 4:36 am


Come on Blackhawk... give the guy a break. He feels it is his best work so why knock the guy? After all, he didn’t say “the best photos on airliners.net” or something.

If you don't think his pictures are good then give some constructive criticism instead. I was really proud of my first uploads but when I look at them now I cringe (they have been since re-uploaded)

Keep working at it CclR. Please tell us what kind of camera, film and scanner you use.

Sunil

 
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Fri Nov 23, 2001 5:15 am

Agree with Sunil. Cut him some slack. He said it is HIS best work. Well, it maybe isn't perfect, but whose is? Help him and learn him some better techniques, so that maybe he will get some accepted onto Airliners.net.

Wietse.
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Blackhawk

Fri Nov 23, 2001 5:46 am

Hi

How do we know that you are the real CEO of Ryanair...or are you someone playing a game?

Fly Go and easyJet Big grin

Regards

Gary Watt
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Fri Nov 23, 2001 5:59 am

Oh, if you are the CEO of FR, I want a word about the service on my LGW-DUB flight  Pissed  Big grin

LGW

BTW : Fly Buzz as well Big grin
 
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Fri Nov 23, 2001 6:49 am

Ok agreed a little harsh and I sincerely apologise for the bluntness of the reply. Hard day at the office.....
If you want my opinion they are quite grainy and suffer from a lot of noise. A little sharpening wouldn't go amiss although an improved scan would first have to be gotten. As mentioned above the colours are washed out and the film may be a little overexposed. However many of the above faults can be attributed to a poor scanner as I have seen many of these "type" of scans before.
Save up for a new scanner if at all possible.

Good luck and apologies for the previous reply
I'm sure everyone has had at least one of those days

- Blackhawk

 
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Fri Nov 23, 2001 7:03 am

I thought Airline CEO's kept themselves secret?

What would you be doing hanging around on an Airliner photography forum1!!!!

I know from personal experience that when you start out, there seems no difference between your photos and those getting accepted daily.

Regards

Dan
 
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Fri Nov 23, 2001 10:52 am

I use a Cannon EOS RebelX and a Quantaray 70-300mm lens and I use a scanjet hp3300C scanner if you have any suggestions let me know.
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This Is About Your Comments

Fri Nov 23, 2001 11:50 am

Sunilgupta:
Come on Blackhawk... give the guy a break. He feels it is his best work so why knock the guy? After all, he didn’t say “the best photos on airliners.net” or something.

If you don't think his pictures are good then give some constructive criticism instead. I was really proud of my first uploads but when I look at them now I cringe (they have been since re-uploaded)

Keep working at it CclR. Please tell us what kind of camera, film and scanner you use.

Sunil


Thanks for that post Sun. And some other things the reason I said it was "Some of my best work being uploaded" was that these were really good though. I didn't care if they got rejected because that they were the best ones that I did that I picked out from out of 75 pictures (3 rolls) that deserved to be shown to you. The only reason why I uploaded them cause I wanted to see if I can do better than before cause I bought a better camera. But you all said that they will be rejected or grainy. None of you all said that if they were good pictures regardless if they were going to get accepted or not. Everyone else except for a few people(That means you Screener4) said that they will be rejected or looked bad. The other people said to give me a little slack and I thank you for posting that and for asking and suggesting stuff to me. I want to tell you all that if you think that the pictures are good(regardless if they are going to be accepted or not) please let me know. If you have any suggestions to tell me on how to make them better and on any other thing about how you do your pics E mail me! One person E mailed me about the pictures and showed me a description. What I am trying to say is If you don't have something nice to say Don't say anything at all. I commented about your pictures on this site and you all like that. I just want someone say to me "Nice shots CcrlR" just say it next time
Apology accepted Blackhawk.
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Fri Nov 23, 2001 2:15 pm

I think your scanning method is pulling down your pics. What are the specs of the scanner? Color depth and dpi? I scan using a HP5300c, which is about the best flatbed you can get from HP, and the results aren't that bad, especially if you edit them enough:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/zandvoort.jpg

What do you think?

Wietse
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RE: This Is About Your Comments

Fri Nov 23, 2001 10:08 pm

>>If you don't have something nice to say Don't say anything at all. I commented>>

What the hell does this mean?

if you want constructive comments you have to take the good and the bad. If you are not happy about this it might be best if you don't post any more threads like this.

Regards

Gary Watt
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Sorry About What I Said

Sat Nov 24, 2001 12:12 am

The ONLY reason I put this up was to see what you think about my pictures. I didn't want to criticize anyone about what I said. What I meant to say was some people wanted to help me out and some wanted to ask me stuff to help me fix my photos so they will be accepted. That's what I meant about what I said. This isn't about the ryanair thing ok? All I wanted to do was see what you think and if you could give me some instuctions on how to fix them up or make them better. People asked me some things about the scanner what camera did I use and other things about how I took them or other stuff. I thought the screeners would say something to tell me what to do to get them into the acceptance range. I didn't mean to tell you that Granite ok? Your pictures were nice too what you have on Airliners.net and keep up the good work. I thought you was going to say something about my pictures. Sorry Granite.
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Sat Nov 24, 2001 4:54 pm

I'm a little confused here. All you want us to say is "Some nice shots you got there mate, keep up the good work" , and not to say anything else ?
You've kinda contradicted yourself saying that "if you (us) haven't got anything "nice" to say dont say anything at all", and that you dont care if they get accepted, yet you've just told us you want constructive criticism to help them get accepted.
 Confused  Confused  Confused  Confused

So what do you want us to tell you ?
 
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Sat Nov 24, 2001 6:29 pm

Enough!

First we criticised.
Then we were criticised for criticising.
Now we are criticising the critic who criticised us for criticising!

 Nuts

I think we should have some guidelines for these types of posts (what the hell - nobody will pay a blind bit of notice!)

1. If you post a request for comments you should be prepared for some or all of those comments to be negative.

2. If you comment on someone's photo(s) then if those comments are broadly negative, you should at the very least temper them with some advice about how to improve.

Now can we get back to taking photos instead of bickering?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Sun Nov 25, 2001 4:02 am

I wanted people to help me with them and comment on my pictures. I thouht some of the best people would say something about how I did my pictures cause this is the first time I did this and I thought that some of the best people would say something about them besides them getting rejected.
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RE: Some Of My Best Work Being Uploaded

Sun Nov 25, 2001 6:38 pm

Carl,

I think the problem is that these pics are quite a way below the acceptable standard. Generally, if people ask for comments on shots that are borderline, or just not quite up to it, then people are more ready to offer hints and advice - along the lines of "if you try doing this, maybe it will be accepted".

You also set yourself up for criticism by your subject line - "some of my best work". Now, I'm sure you didn't mean it this way, but it comes across as being slightly arrogant - and is just the sort of thing to incite people to write negatively about your photos.

But here goes with the sort of comments I think you were after:

The photos ARE quite a way below the current acceptable standards for being added to the database, so I don't think there's any sort of editing you could do to these scans that would improve them enough to get in.

The Southwest 737 isn't centred in the frame. If you crop off some of the blue space on the left side it will look slightly better. You also have a black border at the top, and what looks like a hint of a white edge at the bottom. You MUST remove all such borders and edges before uploading to A.N. because your pic will almost certainly get rejected otherwise, regardless of the quality. This pic is the best of the 3 quality-wise, but the colours do appear to be a little pale and insubstantial, and there's a little bit of grain (particularly evident in the darker areas). The pic as a whole also isn't sharp enough.

The ATA nose close up is a nice framing, but again, it's not sharp enough, and the grain really kills it. I think from looking at this shot that you are using a film that's just too fast - and that's what's causing the grain. Another thing is that because you are on the wrong side for the sun, it makes things even worse. Grain shows up much more clearly on dark areas that light ones - and for this kind of shot, it's really a good idea to be on the sunny side. If you are, you can get a pic that really shows off the fine detail of the fuselage.

As for the other ATA shot, this is the poorest of the 3. Taking its minor points first, again you're on the wrong side (but you knew that already), and I don't particularly like the crop - this is just a personal thing, but you have cropped (or the framing of the original pic is such) that almost the whole horizontal stabliser is missing at the back. I prefer a little more room here, so the edge of the pic is not quite so close to the tail (other people may disagree however). More seriously, again not sharp, and mega grain. In fact, it looks as if this pic has been enlarged from the original, because there is so much loss of detail. Did you crop in to a pic that had a lot of empty space around the aircraft, and then resize it up to get a pic of the right size to upload?

I wonder what sort of camera/lens and film you are using? If you have a 35mm SLR, then you really should be using ISO 100 film in order to get the best results. This will drastically reduce the amount of grain, while improving the colours in your shots at the same time. As long as you shoot in sunny conditions, you will still be able to get a fast enough shutter speed (1/250 or 1/500) to freeze the action. If you're using a zoom compact however, then frankly you will struggle to take these kinds of pics, because the lens won't be fast enough to allow you to use ISO 100 film. If you're having to use ISO 400 or even ISO 800 (The dreaded Kodak Gold "Zoom") then your pics are going to be grainy and there's nothing you can do about it.

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